Put God, family, country above all else

Jan 14, 2011 Read more: Hampton Union 27

Perhaps the longest running debate in our nation's history is the meaning of Jefferson's "separation of church and state." Can our simple republic prosper without attachment to divine principle? I am convinced that our nation was in better hands when we placed our faith and destiny in God's hands.

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Since: Feb 10

Exeter, NH

#1 Jan 23, 2011
God is good.

Politicians are not.
ohmy

Newmarket, NH

#2 Jan 24, 2011
Max Abramson wrote:
God is good.
Politicians are not.
God is good Max is not he is the devil in cogneeto a false profit if you will who says one thing but realy has a hidden agenda
church lady

Gilford, NH

#3 Jan 24, 2011
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Gilford, NH

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Gilford, NH

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Gilford, NH

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church lady

Gilford, NH

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88 what

Epping, NH

#8 Jan 24, 2011
Max Abramson wrote:
God is good.
Politicians are not.
Including you lair.
jerry

Newmarket, NH

#9 Mar 1, 2011
Religion is the most divisive concept there is, our country would be best served to keep all religion out of it, it's really not that hard to figure out right from wrong, we don't need a man in the sky to tell us
Yikes

Exeter, NH

#10 Mar 2, 2011
jerry wrote:
Religion is the most divisive concept there is, our country would be best served to keep all religion out of it, it's really not that hard to figure out right from wrong, we don't need a man in the sky to tell us
Dear God man DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT! That is EXACTLY what is wrong in this country, you take GOD OUT of the equation. "Divisive" "Creating dissension or discord"
Do you really believe that it would best serve us to keep HIM out? Come on....look around you, leaving him out isn't working too well right now. My wish is that anyone who reads this take a minute, a quiet moment, a breather, and think about HIM. If you go along believing that you are the sole person taking charge or your life, you might want to rethink that. It's so easy to forget that HE is very much a part of our whole life's equation. You WILL remember HIM in hard times, please remember HIM in the good times too. HE has the plan, it is "our free will" that goofs it up. Please everyone, I am just saying, don't leave HIM out of anything you do, go to HIM first. There IS a great peace in understanding that. And as far as the comment, "We don't need a man in the sky to tell us" I would ask Jerry, Is that where God lives...because I thought He lived in me.
jerry

Newmarket, NH

#11 Mar 2, 2011
I don't think of god in bad times or good times, the same result would happen if you prayed to santa or the tooth fairy, NOTHING, anyway I really don't care if you need some sort of higher power to give your life meaning, my point was that god should be left out of make laws and running the government, there are too many different views in america so in order not to alienate people of different faiths there must be separation of church and state
faith

Exeter, NH

#12 Mar 2, 2011
secular government vs. secular society

I think that most of the founding fathers wanted to pay reverence to God Almighty. He watches over this country and everyone in it, and we should give thanks to Him.

"Separation of church and state" was intended to keep two institutions of man separated, but to protect religious freedom. God puts us on Earth with the capacity to question everything, but to have faith in Him.
Frankly

Exeter, NH

#13 Mar 3, 2011
Seperation of church and state has been misused since it's inception. It's intent was not to remove God from government but government from the church. Our founding fathers had seperate beliefs than the King's Church, yet christianity often guided their decision making. Of course until recently, there will be consequences for turning your back on Israel. Now oil seems to play more of a part in government decision making.

"If all men were gentlemen there would be no need for government and workers wouldn't need unions."
timeforamultiyra udit

Rochester, NH

#15 Mar 15, 2012
faith wrote:
secular government vs. secular society

I think that most of the founding fathers wanted to pay reverence to God Almighty. He watches over this country and everyone in it, and we should give thanks to Him.

"Separation of church and state" was intended to keep two institutions of man separated, but to protect religious freedom. God puts us on Earth with the capacity to question everything, but to have faith in Him.
gods for the weak
Hub

Exeter, NH

#16 Mar 17, 2012
I agree with Frankly, this country is in a moral cancer and its growing. I Believe the further we drift from God the greater our problems become. God would never force himself on anyone but he;s allways waiting for us to return so he can prove to us hes there.--------->2 Chronicles 7:14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Since: Mar 12

Sanbornton, NH

#17 Mar 18, 2012
Why don't we all read the words of our Founding Fathers instead of putting words into their mouths:

Thomas Jefferson:
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - "Notes on Virginia"

"Creeds have been the bane of the Christian church ... made of Christendom a slaughter-house." - to Benjamin Waterhouse, Jun. 26, 1822

"No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever." -Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law." -letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State." -letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT

Since: Mar 12

Sanbornton, NH

#18 Mar 18, 2012
John Adams:

"The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion" (John Adams, 1797, Hunter Miller, ed., Treaties and other International Acts, 2:365).

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" -letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" -letter to Thomas Jefferson

"The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes." - letter to John Taylor

"Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?"

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity."

Since: Mar 12

Sanbornton, NH

#19 Mar 18, 2012
faith wrote:
secular government vs. secular society
I think that most of the founding fathers wanted to pay reverence to God Almighty. He watches over this country and everyone in it, and we should give thanks to Him.
"Separation of church and state" was intended to keep two institutions of man separated, but to protect religious freedom. God puts us on Earth with the capacity to question everything, but to have faith in Him.
I think you ought to really read the words of the founding fathers about religion and christianity which I have actually posted below. To put it bluntly though, Jefferson, Adams, Washington, and even Lincoln all hated christianity, organized religion, called them nothing more but a bunch of murderers, slaughterers and charlatans.

Since: Mar 12

Sanbornton, NH

#20 Mar 18, 2012
Yikes wrote:
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Dear God man DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT! That is EXACTLY what is wrong in this country, you take GOD OUT of the equation. "Divisive" "Creating dissension or discord"
Do you really believe that it would best serve us to keep HIM out? Come on....look around you, leaving him out isn't working too well right now. My wish is that anyone who reads this take a minute, a quiet moment, a breather, and think about HIM. If you go along believing that you are the sole person taking charge or your life, you might want to rethink that. It's so easy to forget that HE is very much a part of our whole life's equation. You WILL remember HIM in hard times, please remember HIM in the good times too. HE has the plan, it is "our free will" that goofs it up. Please everyone, I am just saying, don't leave HIM out of anything you do, go to HIM first. There IS a great peace in understanding that. And as far as the comment, "We don't need a man in the sky to tell us" I would ask Jerry, Is that where God lives...because I thought He lived in me.
Christianity is responsible for the murder and butchery of millions of innocent men, women and children in the name of their god and religion. The founding fathers thought the same thing. To put it to rest once and hopefully for all to you right wing religious fruitcakes who keep insisting this country was founded on christianity and our founding fathers were christians:

Thomas Jefferson said: "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - "Notes on Virginia"

"No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever." -Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law." -letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814

John Adams wrote:

"The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion" (John Adams, 1797, Hunter Miller, ed., Treaties and other International Acts, 2:365).

"Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?"

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."

"The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"

James Madison stated:

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." -1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774

"Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - "A Memorial and Remonstrance", 1785

So do you still insist we are founded as a christian country?

Since: Mar 12

Sanbornton, NH

#21 Mar 18, 2012
Frankly wrote:
Seperation of church and state has been misused since it's inception. It's intent was not to remove God from government but government from the church. Our founding fathers had seperate beliefs than the King's Church, yet christianity often guided their decision making. Of course until recently, there will be consequences for turning your back on Israel. Now oil seems to play more of a part in government decision making.
"If all men were gentlemen there would be no need for government and workers wouldn't need unions."
Really? So I guess these words of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and James Madison does not call you a liar and all you others who keep insisting the founding fathers were christian and advocated christianity and religion?

Thomas Jefferson:

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - "Notes on Virginia"

"No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever." -Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law." -letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State." -letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT

John Adams said:

"The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion" (John Adams, 1797, Hunter Miller, ed., Treaties and other International Acts, 2:365).

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" -letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816

"The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes." - letter to John Taylor

"Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?"

James Madison:

"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." -1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774

Guess this blows yours and all the other idiot christians who keep insisting that the founding fathers were christians and wanted the christian religion as the official religion of the US doesn't it? Though you idiots will never admit you are wrong.

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