Elco wrestling coach takes leave of a...

Elco wrestling coach takes leave of absence

There are 17 comments on the Lebanon Daily News story from Jan 13, 2011, titled Elco wrestling coach takes leave of absence. In it, Lebanon Daily News reports that:

The Elco school board Monday night approved a leave of absence without pay for varsity head wrestling coach Chad Miller.

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Jay Bauder

Lebanon, PA

#1 Jan 13, 2011
"Hollinger also questioned why a plan for those buildings was not formulated before the district built the new intermediate school"

That's an easy one. The old board had to rush the new building through before they got voted out. There wasn't even time to design a driveway big enough to accommodate the bus traffic! There are change orders on every meeting agenda. It's a mess.

I must commend the new board for listening to the taxpayers. People are allowed to speak without someone with a doctorate degree timing them and cutting them off mid sentence at the 2 minute mark. But the biggest improvement is that the new board actually considers what taxpayers have to say. Board members can be seen taking notes. It's very refreshing and it gives me hope that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
truth

Lebanon, PA

#2 Jan 13, 2011
Jay Bauder wrote:
"Hollinger also questioned why a plan for those buildings was not formulated before the district built the new intermediate school"
That's an easy one. The old board had to rush the new building through before they got voted out. There wasn't even time to design a driveway big enough to accommodate the bus traffic! There are change orders on every meeting agenda. It's a mess.
I must commend the new board for listening to the taxpayers. People are allowed to speak without someone with a doctorate degree timing them and cutting them off mid sentence at the 2 minute mark. But the biggest improvement is that the new board actually considers what taxpayers have to say. Board members can be seen taking notes. It's very refreshing and it gives me hope that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
If the driveway isn't big enough why hasn't the board done anything about it like they indicated?? I think if you look in to the situation there is NO problem with the driveway. Just like there wasn't as big of a bus issue as they made it out to be. They authorized 6 new buses and not ONE was added.

Are you saying the change orders are more then was budgeted?
HOLLINGER

Knoxville, IA

#3 Jan 13, 2011
I SUPPORT THE ELCO SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS 100%.

What I don't support is the current administration.
Why, because of their incompetence and reckless financial decisions. They will bankrupt the school district. Have you noticed the superintendent has run out of BS answers at board meetings. Now he's quoted as saying he's going to anger people with his budget decissions. I thought the superintendent is the CEO. Why isn't he answering the question relating to why there was no plan in place three years ago relating to the Schaefferstown and Myerstown Schools? It's time for change.
abc

Lebanon, PA

#4 Jan 13, 2011
hmm?
board

Lebanon, PA

#5 Jan 13, 2011
HOLLINGER wrote:
I SUPPORT THE ELCO SCHOOL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS 100%.
What I don't support is the current administration.
Why, because of their incompetence and reckless financial decisions. They will bankrupt the school district. Have you noticed the superintendent has run out of BS answers at board meetings. Now he's quoted as saying he's going to anger people with his budget decissions. I thought the superintendent is the CEO. Why isn't he answering the question relating to why there was no plan in place three years ago relating to the Schaefferstown and Myerstown Schools? It's time for change.
So you are saying that it is OK for a coach to do what he did?? The board seems to think it is by their decision to allow him to stay after his leave.(Which is TOTAL opposite of the administration decision)
HOLLINGER

United States

#6 Jan 13, 2011
board wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying that it is OK for a coach to do what he did?? The board seems to think it is by their decision to allow him to stay after his leave.(Which is TOTAL opposite of the administration decision)
Don't know the details of that issue but what I do know is the district has a $140m a year CEO that's not making rational business and financial decisions.
Carry on

Lebanon, PA

#7 Jan 13, 2011
truth wrote:
<quoted text>
If the driveway isn't big enough why hasn't the board done anything about it like they indicated?? I think if you look in to the situation there is NO problem with the driveway. Just like there wasn't as big of a bus issue as they made it out to be. They authorized 6 new buses and not ONE was added.
Are you saying the change orders are more then was budgeted?
You are suggesting a construction project during the school year in the dead of winter? Really? Do you know why you don't see road crews out this time of year? Do you also know that construction projects and elementary age children aren't a good mix?

Yes, the board did authorize the FUNDING for 6 buses. The fact that none were actually added is a credit to Carrie Boyer, Stacey Edris and Brightbill Bus Service. Had you actually been at the board meeting on January 10th, you would have heard a resident express concern that his elementary age grandson still has a 50 minute bus ride. Are you OK with that?

If you think the driveway isn't a problem, perhaps you should pay a visit to the new intermediate school between 8:25 and 8:40 in the morning or 3:20 to 3:30 in the afternoon. Just make sure it's a school day.

As far as the change orders, I do not know exactly where that stands other than somewhere around 18 million bucks in the hole! I was a project manager for a company that manufactured architectural precast concrete for a number of years prior to stating my own business. I was involved in the construction of a 10 story building with a penthouse at the corner of 18th and I Streets in Washington DC. That project didn't have as many change orders as this new school. Yet we were told that it was so perfectly engineered that the old board refused any architectural review... They knew best. No wonder they were sent packing!

As far as coach Miller, I don't have much to say other than I think it is sad. I think the wrestling team is paying the biggest penalty. I don't have enough first hand information to comment beyond that.
Jay Bauder

Lebanon, PA

#8 Jan 13, 2011
Hey truth/abc/board,
I can change my name too! Instead of trying to be cute, why don't you post using your real name?
I love PA

Brogue, PA

#9 Jan 13, 2011
What did MIller do?
u r wrong

Elizabethtown, PA

#10 Jan 14, 2011
The new board is tearing the Elco school district apart. They want to make all the decisions for the district and not allowing the Administration to make the decisions they are paid to do. The Administration seems afraid to take a stance on an issue and stick with it because the board wants the final say in everything. If this is the case we can save the District a boat load of money and get rid of the Administration and let the board continue to do what they are doing. There is no perfect administration in any district but we need to let them make some decisions. I believe we should sell 1 of the schools (Scheafferstown) to pay off the EIT debt. Also don't forget the little guy at Elco. The support staff got an .18 cent raise this past year. Admin staff got 2%. Nilsen got 7+ % and the teachers got their contract 2.5% including the elevated raise levels of the younger teachers to reach their top rate quicker. Seems the only place they could save money is with the employees not under contract. This Board needs to shape up before we ship them out.
u r wrong

Elizabethtown, PA

#11 Jan 14, 2011
Also this new board is more about revenge about not having any decision about the new school. Where is the education of our children in all of this? I don't see much written about how we are going to better teach our children to be productive citizens. Lets ask the board what they are doing for the education of our kids. Brings to mind the old commercial with the indian aside the road with a tear on his cheek.
board

Lebanon, PA

#12 Jan 14, 2011
[quoted text>
You are suggesting a construction project during the school year in the dead of winter? Really? Do you know why you don't see road crews out this time of year? Do you also know that construction projects and elementary age children aren't a good mix?
They had since August lots of fall weather to do a change if necessary and I don't think changing a entrance would get elem. children upset. Is a change necessary are not??
Yes, the board did authorize the FUNDING for 6 buses. The fact that none were actually added is a credit to Carrie Boyer, Stacey Edris and Brightbill Bus Service. Had you actually been at the board meeting on January 10th, you would have heard a resident express concern that his elementary age grandson still has a 50 minute bus ride. Are you OK with that?
Then why didn't they do it right from the start of school? Did the board over react concerning the problem since it didn't require adding one new bus run?
As far as the change orders, I do not know exactly where that stands other than somewhere around 18 million bucks in the hole! I was a project manager for a company that manufactured architectural precast concrete for a number of years prior to stating my own business. I was involved in the construction of a 10 story building with a penthouse at the corner of 18th and I Streets in Washington DC. That project didn't have as many change orders as this new school. Yet we were told that it was so perfectly engineered that the old board refused any architectural review... They knew best. No wonder they were sent packing!
Just how many change orders have been issued? Since you seem to be in the business were there major engineering oversights on the project and what were they?
As far as coach Miller, I don't have much to say other than I think it is sad. I think the wrestling team is paying the biggest penalty. I don't have enough first hand information to comment beyond that.
I agree the team is the loser but what message does it send to the team when the coach puts in a wrestler who didn't have a physical or the required team workouts?(cheat or do whatever it takes to win??)Besides, how is the adm. going to react to the next problem when the board decides to over rule their decision? It was the WRONG decision of this board!
Jay Bauder

Lebanon, PA

#13 Jan 14, 2011
u r wrong wrote:
Also this new board is more about revenge about not having any decision about the new school. Where is the education of our children in all of this? I don't see much written about how we are going to better teach our children to be productive citizens. Lets ask the board what they are doing for the education of our kids. Brings to mind the old commercial with the indian aside the road with a tear on his cheek.
I see this board being much more about how to pay for the new school, the EIT overpayment and what to do with the two abandoned schools. As Mr. Hollinger pointed out at the last board meeting, that is something that should have been done before committing to building a new building. If you are going to build a new home, don't you think you would look into selling your existing home? What the old board did was as financially irresponsible as you or I building a second home and then wondering how to pay for both of them. The biggest flaw in my analogy is that a home is much easier to rent or sell.

It is the administrations job develop and implement the curriculum. That is the responsibility of Nilsen and Grove. The biggest weakness I have seen with ELCO's education of our children is in the area of special education. The board took action on that this month by approving a "contract with James Cox, Ed. D., to conduct a focused review of the district's recent Dispute Resolution cases". That is a quote directly from the January 10, 2011 board agenda. The use of the word "recent" seems to indicate that something has changed. What do you think happened recently that could have caused this change? Might I suggest the old boards rush to promote Felty and Grove? The promotions occurred without an interview. Is that how promotions usually happen? Not outside of a good old boys network they don't! The fact that they were both given "fire proof" contracts is more evidence of my claim.

If you wish to see the board first hand, or have something you would like to say to them, please come to the meetings. They are in the high school library. The dates and times are listed on the website and the ELCO school calendar. You will be treated with respect and given the opportunity to speak. I hope to see you there!

The one thing I noticed during the debate over the past several years is that there are really a lot of wise people in the ELCO district. The new board is open to draw from that wisdom. If the old board really felt that building a new building was the best option (and I'm still not convinced that it was), they should have drawn on that wisdom as well. Had they taken the time to get input from teachers, residence, cafeteria workers, bus drivers, maintenance staff and allowed an architectural review, a lot of the division that you seen in the community would not exist. This board inherited a big mess and they are doing their best to clean it up.
HOLLINGER

Knoxville, IA

#14 Jan 14, 2011
u r wrong wrote:
Also this new board is more about revenge about not having any decision about the new school. Where is the education of our children in all of this? I don't see much written about how we are going to better teach our children to be productive citizens. Lets ask the board what they are doing for the education of our kids. Brings to mind the old commercial with the indian aside the road with a tear on his cheek.
I don't see any revenge from the new board nor do I see any arrogance like I have seen with the past board. Was the old board intimidated by the administration, allowing the superintendent to have a blank check to spend 18 million on a new school? It's hard to believe they voted their conscience.
Because the district has an incompetent administration the board needs to step it up a notch and run the show. Give the board time to get this financial mess in order then the children will benefit.
looking for answers

Lebanon, PA

#15 Jan 14, 2011
board wrote:
[quoted text>
You are suggesting a construction project during the school year in the dead of winter? Really? Do you know why you don't see road crews out this time of year? Do you also know that construction projects and elementary age children aren't a good mix?
They had since August lots of fall weather to do a change if necessary and I don't think changing a entrance would get elem. children upset. Is a change necessary are not??
Yes, the board did authorize the FUNDING for 6 buses. The fact that none were actually added is a credit to Carrie Boyer, Stacey Edris and Brightbill Bus Service. Had you actually been at the board meeting on January 10th, you would have heard a resident express concern that his elementary age grandson still has a 50 minute bus ride. Are you OK with that?
Then why didn't they do it right from the start of school? Did the board over react concerning the problem since it didn't require adding one new bus run?
As far as the change orders, I do not know exactly where that stands other than somewhere around 18 million bucks in the hole! I was a project manager for a company that manufactured architectural precast concrete for a number of years prior to stating my own business. I was involved in the construction of a 10 story building with a penthouse at the corner of 18th and I Streets in Washington DC. That project didn't have as many change orders as this new school. Yet we were told that it was so perfectly engineered that the old board refused any architectural review... They knew best. No wonder they were sent packing!
Just how many change orders have been issued? Since you seem to be in the business were there major engineering oversights on the project and what were they?
As far as coach Miller, I don't have much to say other than I think it is sad. I think the wrestling team is paying the biggest penalty. I don't have enough first hand information to comment beyond that.
I agree the team is the loser but what message does it send to the team when the coach puts in a wrestler who didn't have a physical or the required team workouts?(cheat or do whatever it takes to win??)Besides, how is the adm. going to react to the next problem when the board decides to over rule their decision? It was the WRONG decision of this board!
MMMM...no response. I would also like to know some of these answers.
Dwayne Salem

Lebanon, PA

#16 Jan 16, 2011
HOLLINGER wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see any revenge from the new board nor do I see any arrogance like I have seen with the past board. Was the old board intimidated by the administration, allowing the superintendent to have a blank check to spend 18 million on a new school? It's hard to believe they voted their conscience.
Because the district has an incompetent administration the board needs to step it up a notch and run the show. Give the board time to get this financial mess in order then the children will benefit.
The school board is not supposed to micro-manage the administration ,but when you hear the things that come out of the mouths of these administrators, one can't help but think that maybe this board needs to do some micro-managing. Most of them have jobs, so you can't really hold it against them if they can't micro-manage.
Dwayne Salem

Lebanon, PA

#17 Jan 16, 2011
Another thing that I am curious about is why there is suddenly so much concern about Cyber-school students. Why did we not hear about all of these high costs before or during the time that this new school was being planned? Nilsen was the superintendent during that time. He should have known about all of these excessive cyber-school costs then. He was too busy running his stop watch to keep people from voicing an opinion that he did not want to hear.

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