Pot legalization measure gets big lift

Pot legalization measure gets big lift

There are 54 comments on the www.sfgate.com story from Sep 27, 2010, titled Pot legalization measure gets big lift. In it, www.sfgate.com reports that:

In a dramatic shift of sentiment, nearly half of California's likely voters now want to legalize marijuana use in the state, according to a new Field Poll.

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Remember in November

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#1 Sep 27, 2010
If the government is upset about tobacco smoke and the detrimental affects of it on our lungs, then this should also be considered on marijuana which DOES cause bronchial problems and exacerbate mental illness.

It's about getting more tax money. This is also encourage youth to begin experimentation earlier.
Walter

Novato, CA

#2 Sep 27, 2010
o swell more pot heads on the road dude.. its more medical man
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United States

#3 Sep 27, 2010
pot will not be legalized, there is too much money for the CIA selling it and the justis system locking them up
TedslLiver

Oakland, CA

#4 Sep 27, 2010
The hippie entitlement crowd wants legal pot. No one else.

Since: Jun 10

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#5 Sep 27, 2010
Remember in November wrote:
If the government is upset about tobacco smoke and the detrimental affects of it on our lungs, then this should also be considered on marijuana which DOES cause bronchial problems and exacerbate mental illness.
It's about getting more tax money. This is also encourage youth to begin experimentation earlier.
1)Please post your sources on marijuana causing bronchial problems and on how it exacerbates mental illness. 2) Teens can get marijuana easier than alcohol already because alcohol is is regulated. Your argument is flawed. We have dealt with prohibition long enough and can see what results that it has brought. YES on Prop19 in Nov. for a new direction...it can't be any worse than what is in place now!
every cop is a criminal

Lansdowne, PA

#7 Sep 27, 2010
Remember in November wrote:
If the government is upset about tobacco smoke and the detrimental affects of it on our lungs, then this should also be considered on marijuana which DOES cause bronchial problems and exacerbate mental illness.
It's about getting more tax money. This is also encourage youth to begin experimentation earlier.
LIAR!!!!! Lying piece of sh&t!!!!!!!
Notmammal

Fremont, CA

#8 Sep 27, 2010
All current and recent scientific data shows that marijuana is detrimental to mental health. Actual chemistry of the brain is changed and the endocrine system is fooled into producing less of necessary chemicals that components of marijuana mimic, but do not exactly replace. Sociological impact from the drug is demonstrated by the actual destruction of many people's lives over many decades after marijuana use became more common. Almost all criminals extol the benefits of marijuana in their lives, yet are either in prison and jails for other issues, or lead lives that more than often succumb to harder drugs. Marijuana impairs vision and depth perception, causing visual hallucinations that threaten others people's lives routinely. Potheads can not fly planes, or do other tasks requiring astute emotional, physical and intellectual capabilities. They are deluded because of the drug to BELIEVE they can, but their temporary feelings of achieving success in art, etc. are not validated by actual work, which is childish and often morally vacant. Potheads are emotionally stagnant and wake up many years later in their lives and find their chances of success and achievement have bypassed them due to drug use and self-imposed impairment. We see the exact same self-validating delusional thinking in mental wards and hospitals. Most withdrawal and psychological readjustment help done today is related to marijuana use. Most dope users are pushers and validate their own weaknesses by drawing others, especially younger persons, into their sphere of haze and daze. Legalizing, or validating marijuana use at any level except specific medicinal applications is not warranted.

“Brain Kneader”

Since: Sep 10

EVERYWHERE

#9 Sep 27, 2010
Remember in November wrote:
If the government is upset about tobacco smoke and the detrimental affects of it on our lungs, then this should also be considered on marijuana which DOES cause bronchial problems and exacerbate mental illness.
It's about getting more tax money. This is also encourage youth to begin experimentation earlier.
bronchidal nah we can make E-Doobees. Exacerbated mental illness wasn't caused by marijuana, it was caused by your mom dropping you on your head one too many times. And why would you want govrnmt interveining in your personal life? You want them telling yu what you can and cant eat or your wife not being able to use birthcontrol pills so when you and your wife do have private intamate moments together it can only be for procreational reasons and not pleasurable ones? yu need to read what its really about "Cival Rights" read between the lines and you'll get the messege. definately not about giving our kids MJ or letting people drive intoxicated.

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#10 Sep 27, 2010
to Notmammal
yu mean to tell me it took you that long to simply say that you are a bullshitter? you should have been fired a long time ago,if you work of course.
Notmammal

Fremont, CA

#11 Sep 27, 2010
bkzombee wrote:
to Notmammal
yu mean to tell me it took you that long to simply say that you are a bullshitter? you should have been fired a long time ago,if you work of course.
Admit it dopehead... You got others to do dope with you to feel good about what you were doing.

“Brain Kneader”

Since: Sep 10

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#12 Sep 27, 2010
Notmammal wrote:
<quoted text>
Admit it dopehead... You got others to do dope with you to feel good about what you were doing.
Really? Now your saying i traveled back in time more than a 10000 years got them to do dope so i could feel better about myself hmmm i just proved my point that you are a bullshitter.

Since: Jun 10

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#14 Sep 28, 2010
Notmammal wrote:
All current and recent scientific data shows that marijuana is detrimental to mental health. Actual chemistry of the brain is changed and the endocrine system is fooled into producing less of necessary chemicals that components of marijuana mimic, but do not exactly replace. Sociological impact from the drug is demonstrated by the actual destruction of many people's lives over many decades after marijuana use became more common. Almost all criminals extol the benefits of marijuana in their lives, yet are either in prison and jails for other issues, or lead lives that more than often succumb to harder drugs. Marijuana impairs vision and depth perception, causing visual hallucinations that threaten others people's lives routinely. Potheads can not fly planes, or do other tasks requiring astute emotional, physical and intellectual capabilities. They are deluded because of the drug to BELIEVE they can, but their temporary feelings of achieving success in art, etc. are not validated by actual work, which is childish and often morally vacant. Potheads are emotionally stagnant and wake up many years later in their lives and find their chances of success and achievement have bypassed them due to drug use and self-imposed impairment. We see the exact same self-validating delusional thinking in mental wards and hospitals. Most withdrawal and psychological readjustment help done today is related to marijuana use. Most dope users are pushers and validate their own weaknesses by drawing others, especially younger persons, into their sphere of haze and daze. Legalizing, or validating marijuana use at any level except specific medicinal applications is not warranted.
PLEASE!!! Where are you getting your "facts" from? I definitely need need to know about these things as I have been smoking for over 35 years and don't want what you claim to happen to me! Quit playing the "reefer madness" movie over and over, and read some of the independent studies that have done, Talk to some doctors, nurses, police officers and clergy that have seen first hand what the lies we have been told during this prohibition have done. Again, show us where your "facts" came from and when they were published. Until then you are nothing more than than a liar. Or, an uneducated, paranoid, unhappy little person that doesn't believe in personal freedoms or choices for others.
RonShewey

United States

#15 Sep 28, 2010
20.Marijuana - Effects

(marijuana and safety) When examining the health affects of marijuana use, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded,

"A careful search of the literature and testimony of the nation's health officials has not revealed a single human fatality in the United States proven to have resulted solely from ingestion of marihuana. Experiments with the drug in monkeys demonstrated that the dose required for overdose death was enormous and for all practical purposes unachievable by humans smoking marihuana. This is in marked contrast to other substances in common use, most notably alcohol and barbiturate sleeping pills."

The World Health Organization reached the same conclusion in 1995.

Source: Shafer, Raymond P., et al, Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding, Ch. III,(Washington DC: National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse, 1972);
http://druglibrary.net/schaffer/Library/studi...
Hall, W., Room, R. & Bondy, S., WHO Project on Health Implications of Cannabis Use: A Comparative Appraisal of the Health and Psychological Consequences of Alcohol, Cannabis, Nicotine and Opiate Use, August 28, 1995,(Geneva, Switzerland: World Health Organization, March 1998).
http://www.druglibrary.net/schaffer/hemp/gene...

21.(marijuana and cognition) "In conclusion, our meta-analysis of studies that have attempted to address the question of longer term neurocognitive disturbance in moderate and heavy cannabis users has failed to demonstrate a substantial, systematic, and detrimental effect of cannabis use on neuropsychological performance. It was surprising to find such few and small effects given that most of the potential biases inherent in our analyses actually increased the likelihood of finding a cannabis effect."

Source: Grant, Igor, et al., "Non-Acute (Residual) Neurocognitive Effects Of Cannabis Use: A Meta-Analytic Study," Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society (Cambridge University Press: July 2003), 9, p. 687.
http://www.csdp.org/research/348art2003.pdf

22.(marijuana and cognition) "The results of our meta-analytic study failed to reveal a substantial, systematic effect of long-term, regular cannabis consumption on the neurocognitive functioning of users who were not acutely intoxicated. For six of the eight neurocognitive ability areas that were surveyed. the confidence intervals for the average effect sizes across studies overlapped zero in each instance, indicating that the effect size could not be distinguished from zero. The two exceptions were in the domains of learning and forgetting."

Source: Grant, Igor, et al., "Non-Acute (Residual) Neurocognitive Effects Of Cannabis Use: A Meta-Analytic Study," Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society (Cambridge University Press: July 2003), 9, p. 685.
http://www.csdp.org/research/348art2003.pdf

23.(marijuana and cognition) "Current marijuana use had a negative effect on global IQ score only in subjects who smoked 5 or more joints per week. A negative effect was not observed among subjects who had previously been heavy users but were no longer using the substance. We conclude that marijuana does not have a long-term negative impact on global intelligence. Whether the absence of a residual marijuana effect would also be evident in more specific cognitive domains such as memory and attention remains to be ascertained."

Source: Fried, Peter, Barbara Watkinson, Deborah James, and Robert Gray, "Current and former marijuana use: preliminary findings of a longitudinal study of effects on IQ in young adults," Canadian Medical Association Journal, April 2, 2002, 166(7), p. 887.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1... ...
RonShewey

United States

#16 Sep 28, 2010
24.(marijuana and cognition) "Although the heavy current users experienced a decrease in IQ score, their scores were still above average at the young adult assessment (mean 105.1). If we had not assessed preteen IQ, these subjects would have appeared to be functioning normally. Only with knowledge of the change in IQ score does the negative impact of current heavy use become apparent."

Source: Fried, Peter, Barbara Watkinson, Deborah James, and Robert Gray, "Current and former marijuana use: preliminary findings of a longitudinal study of effects on IQ in young adults," Canadian Medical Association Journal, April 2, 2002, 166(7), p. 890.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1... ...

25.(marijuana and cognition) A Johns Hopkins study published in May 1999, examined marijuana's effects on cognition on 1,318 participants over a 15 year period. Researchers reported "no significant differences in cognitive decline between heavy users, light users, and nonusers of cannabis." They also found "no male-female differences in cognitive decline in relation to cannabis use." "These results ... seem to provide strong evidence of the absence of a long-term residual effect of cannabis use on cognition," they concluded.

Source: Constantine G. Lyketsos, Elizabeth Garrett, Kung-Yee Liang, and James C. Anthony.(1999). "Cannabis Use and Cognitive Decline in Persons under 65 Years of Age," American Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 149, No. 9
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10221315

26.(marijuana and memory) "These results can be interpreted in several ways. A statistically reliable negative effect was observed in the domain of learning and forgetting, suggesting that chronic long-term cannabis use results in a selective memory defect. While the results are compatible with this conclusion, the effect size for both domains was of a very small magnitude. The "real life" impact of such a small and selective effect is questionable. In addition, it is important to note that most users across studies had histories of heavy longterm cannabis consumption. Therefore, these findings are not likely to generalize to more limited administration of cannabis compounds, as would be seen in a medical setting."

Source: Grant, Igor, et al., "Non-Acute (Residual) Neurocognitive Effects Of Cannabis Use: A Meta-Analytic Study," Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society (Cambridge University Press: July 2003), 9, p. 686.
http://www.csdp.org/research/348art2003.pdf
RonShewey

United States

#17 Sep 28, 2010
30.(marijuana and psychosis) "... the expected rise in diagnoses of schizophrenia and psychoses did not occur over a 10 year period. This study does not therefore support the specific causal link between cannabis use and the incidence of psychotic disorders based on the 3 assumptions described in the Introduction. This concurs with other reports indicating that increases in population cannabis use have not been followed by increases in psychotic incidence (Macleod et al., 2006; Arsenault et al., 2004; Rey and Tennant, 2002)."

Source: Frisher, Martin; Crome, Ilana; Orsolina, Martino; and Croft, Peter, "Assessing the impact of cannabis use on trends in diagnosed schizophrenia in the United Kingdom from 1996 to 2005," Schizophrenia Research (Nashville, Tennessee: Schizophrenia International Research Society, September 2009) Vol. 113, Issue 2, p. 126.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/keele_study/Ass... ...

31.(marijuana and psychosis) "Although individual lifetime risk of chronic psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia, even in people who use cannabis regularly, is likely to be low (less than 3%), cannabis use can be expected to have a substantial effect on psychotic disorders at a population level because exposure to this drug is so common."

Source: Moore, Theresa H M; Zammit, Stanley; Lingford-Hughes, Anne; Barnes, Thomas R E; Jones, Peter B; Burke, Margaret; Lewis, Glyn, "Cannabis use and risk of psychotic or aff ective mental health outcomes: a systematic review," The Lancet (London, United Kingdom: July 28, 2007) Vol 370, p. 327.
http://www.bris.ac.uk/psychiatry/staff/zammit...

32.(marijuana and psychosis) The Christchurch Press reported on March 22, 2005, that "The lead researcher in the Christchurch study, Professor David Fergusson, said the role of cannabis in psychosis was not sufficient on its own to guide legislation.'The result suggests heavy use can result in adverse side-effects,' he said.'That can occur with ( heavy use of ) any substance. It can occur with milk.' Fergusson's research, released this month, concluded that heavy cannabis smokers were 1.5 times more likely to suffer symptoms of psychosis that non-users. The study was the latest in several reports based on a cohort of about 1000 people born in Christchurch over a four-month period in 1977. An effective way to deal with cannabis use would be to incrementally reduce penalties and carefully evaluate its impact, Fergusson said.'Reduce the penalty, like a parking fine. You could then monitor ( the impact ) after five or six years. If it did not change, you might want to take another step.'

Source: Bleakley, Louise, "NZ Study Used in UK Drug Review," The Press (Christchurch, New Zealand: March 22, 2005), from the web at http://www.mapinc.org/newscsdp/v05/n490/a08.h... , last accessed March 28, 2005.

33.(marijuana and psychosis) According to research published in the journal Addiction, "First, the use of cannabis and rates of psychotic symptoms were related to each other, independently of observed/non-observed fixed covariates and observed time dynamic factors (Table 2). Secondly, the results of structural equation modelling suggest that the direction of causation is that the use of cannabis leads to increases in levels of psychotic symptoms rather than psychotic symptoms increasing the use of cannabis. Indeed, there is a suggestion from the model results that increases in psychotic symptoms may inhibit the use of cannabis."

Source: Fergusson, David M., John Horwood & Elizabeth M. Ridder, "Tests of Causal Linkages Between Cannabis Use and Psychotic Symptoms," Addiction, Vol. 100, No. 3, March 2005, p. 363.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#18 Sep 28, 2010
true wrote:
pot will not be legalized, there is too much money for the CIA selling it and the justis system locking them up
The CIA has already moved up to Cocaine.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#19 Sep 28, 2010
RonShewey wrote:
24.(marijuana and cognition) "Although the heavy current users experienced a decrease in IQ score, their scores were still above average at the young adult assessment (mean 105.1). If we had not assessed preteen IQ, these subjects would have appeared to be functioning normally. Only with knowledge of the change in IQ score does the negative impact of current heavy use become apparent."
Source: Fried, Peter, Barbara Watkinson, Deborah James, and Robert Gray, "Current and former marijuana use: preliminary findings of a longitudinal study of effects on IQ in young adults," Canadian Medical Association Journal, April 2, 2002, 166(7), p. 890.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1... ...
25.(marijuana and cognition) A Johns Hopkins study published in May 1999, examined marijuana's effects on cognition on 1,318 participants over a 15 year period. Researchers reported "no significant differences in cognitive decline between heavy users, light users, and nonusers of cannabis." They also found "no male-female differences in cognitive decline in relation to cannabis use." "These results ... seem to provide strong evidence of the absence of a long-term residual effect of cannabis use on cognition," they concluded.
Source: Constantine G. Lyketsos, Elizabeth Garrett, Kung-Yee Liang, and James C. Anthony.(1999). "Cannabis Use and Cognitive Decline in Persons under 65 Years of Age," American Journal of Epidemiology, Vol. 149, No. 9
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10221315
26.(marijuana and memory) "These results can be interpreted in several ways. A statistically reliable negative effect was observed in the domain of learning and forgetting, suggesting that chronic long-term cannabis use results in a selective memory defect. While the results are compatible with this conclusion, the effect size for both domains was of a very small magnitude. The "real life" impact of such a small and selective effect is questionable. In addition, it is important to note that most users across studies had histories of heavy longterm cannabis consumption. Therefore, these findings are not likely to generalize to more limited administration of cannabis compounds, as would be seen in a medical setting."
Source: Grant, Igor, et al., "Non-Acute (Residual) Neurocognitive Effects Of Cannabis Use: A Meta-Analytic Study," Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society (Cambridge University Press: July 2003), 9, p. 686.
http://www.csdp.org/research/348art2003.pdf
So, the smarter kids are drawn to mary jane, it makes them dumber; but they don't remember being smarter?
Go Blue

West Palm Beach, FL

#20 Sep 28, 2010
TedslLiver wrote:
The hippie entitlement crowd wants legal pot. No one else.
Not true...i am neither a hippie, and have never taken any entitlement.....

“Brain Kneader”

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#22 Sep 29, 2010
true wrote:
pot will not be legalized, there is too much money for the CIA selling it and the justis system locking them up
well at least we dont have to worry about the CIA selling it anymore since the justis system locked them up

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#23 Sep 29, 2010
TedslLiver wrote:
The hippie entitlement crowd wants legal pot. No one else.
To the Voters of California:

As police officers, judges, prosecutors, corrections officials and others who have labored to enforce the laws that seek to prohibit cannabis (marijuana) use, and who have witnessed the abysmal failure of this current criminalization approach, we stand together in calling for new laws that will effectively control and tax cannabis.

As criminal justice professionals, we have seen with our own eyes that keeping cannabis illegal damages public safety -- for cannabis consumers and non-consumers alike. We’ve also seen that prohibition sometimes has tragic consequences for the law enforcers charged with putting their lives on the line to enforce it. The only groups that benefit from continuing to keep marijuana illegal are the violent gangs and cartels that control its distribution and reap immense profits from it through the black market.

If California's voters make the sensible decision to effectively control and tax cannabis this November, it will eliminate illegal marijuana distribution networks, just as ending alcohol prohibition put a stop to violent and corrupting gangsters' control of beer, wine and liquor sales.

As law enforcement professionals, we especially want voters to understand that legalization will allow us to do our jobs more effectively and safely. In 2008, there were over 60,000 arrests for simple misdemeanor cannabis possession in California, yet nearly 60,000 violent crimes went unsolved in our state that same year. When we change our cannabis laws, police officers will no longer have to waste time on low-level cannabis arrests; we'll be able to focus on protecting the public from murderers, rapists, drunk drivers and burglars. Cannabis cases will no longer clog up court dockets. And room in our costly, overflowing prisons will be freed up when we stop locking people up just because they tested positive for cannabis while on probation.

Because of all the overhead and administrative savings that legalization will generate, our criminal justice apparatus will have more resources to keep more good law enforcers employed serving the public in this time of fiscal turmoil. Ending prohibition will also put a stop to other crimes and problems caused by the illegal marijuana market, such as robberies, gang warfare, gun-running and house fires caused by underground grow operations.

Controlling marijuana through a regulated system will also reduce its availability to kids. Right now, illegal dealers have no incentive to check IDs or avoid selling to juveniles, given that the market is illegal for everyone. But under adult legalization, licensed cannabis businesses will face penalties and consequences that will effectively deter underage sales. Indeed, a recent study from Columbia University shows that teens currently find it easier to purchase illegal marijuana than age-regulated alcohol.

And, because marijuana is illegal and unregulated, its producers aren’t required to do any quality control or safety evaluation, and sometimes it is adulterated with other drugs or harmful chemicals. While law enforcers understand that every drug has the potential for abuse, making cannabis illegal has made it much more dangerous than it otherwise would be under effective regulation.

Please join us in supporting the sensible solution to California’s failed cannabis policies. Let’s vote to control and tax cannabis this November – for safety’s sake.

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