School's book ban is up for debate

Trustees will meet tonight to discuss the banning of "Bless Me, Ultima" from Orestimba High School's English classes. Read more
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Since: Feb 08

ANOKA, MN

#1 Jan 5, 2009
I wonder if anyone who is complaining has actually read it?

I haven't, but I'll have to borrow it next time I go to the library.

“GO TOPLESS!!”

Since: Apr 08

Chicopee, MA

#2 Jan 6, 2009
"Pagan content"?

I'm curious as to what is meant by that.

IMO, it's never a good idea to ban a book. I mean, you don't put porn books in the school library, but that certainly isn't what this is.

There is also mention of "profane language"... these are high school kids... I doubt there is anything in that book that is said that most of those kids haven't said themselves.

Why is getting a different perspective on life and religion such a bad thing to so many people??

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#3 Jan 6, 2009
I don't think books should EVER be banned. When you begin telling people what they can and can't read/view/hear, you veer dangerously close to Facism.

“GO TOPLESS!!”

Since: Apr 08

Monroe, CT

#4 Jan 7, 2009
JaneKrahe wrote:
I don't think books should EVER be banned. When you begin telling people what they can and can't read/view/hear, you veer dangerously close to Facism.
I completely agree with you.

“WOOH!!”

Since: May 08

Vallejo, CA

#5 Jan 7, 2009
I've read the book, but it's been a while.

I fail to understand how the complaint of ONE parent can justify banning a book.

“everything she touches changes”

Since: Sep 08

Nanaimo

#6 Jan 8, 2009
hmmm...profane language and sexuality. Well you don't want teenagers hearing about that stuff, eh?(eye roll) and yeah, Shellikins, what the hell is pagan content anyway? I will definitely have to check this book out. Oh, and yeah I agree that no books should be banned.
Fire Dr Fauss

Stockton, CA

#7 Jan 24, 2009
I think Dr. Fauss and the School Board needs to be GONE!!!!!
Momof4

Turlock, CA

#8 Jan 25, 2009
We all seem so quick to judge people and/or their actions because of something we heard or read. Has anyone personally contacted Dr. Fauss to set up an appointment to hear in his own words WHY the book was banned? My children go to school in this district, at all levels, elementary, jr. high, and High School, from expierence I have learned that you need to get all the facts from all sides, sit in on a school board meeting or two and then come to your own conclusions on the matter. 9 out of 10 times you will see things differently or find that under certain laws,codes,rules and regulations that the individual(s) had no other choice but to respond and make descions accordingly. I have personally talked to Dr. Fauss, not on this issue but other issues in the past and have found him to be very informative, attentive and concerned about what goes on in this district. Perhaps as citzens in this community we could come up with alternatives to make everyone happy rather than sitting around pointing fingers and bashing one another.

“Judgy not lest ye be judgied!”

Since: Feb 08

Farmington, NM

#9 Jan 26, 2009
I agree, I don't think a book should be banned, period.

“WOOH!!”

Since: May 08

Vallejo, CA

#10 Jan 26, 2009
Momof4 wrote:
We all seem so quick to judge people and/or their actions because of something we heard or read. Has anyone personally contacted Dr. Fauss to set up an appointment to hear in his own words WHY the book was banned? My children go to school in this district, at all levels, elementary, jr. high, and High School, from expierence I have learned that you need to get all the facts from all sides, sit in on a school board meeting or two and then come to your own conclusions on the matter. 9 out of 10 times you will see things differently or find that under certain laws,codes,rules and regulations that the individual(s) had no other choice but to respond and make descions accordingly. I have personally talked to Dr. Fauss, not on this issue but other issues in the past and have found him to be very informative, attentive and concerned about what goes on in this district. Perhaps as citzens in this community we could come up with alternatives to make everyone happy rather than sitting around pointing fingers and bashing one another.
I don't live close to Modesto, so meeting with Dr. Fauss in person is not an option for me. However, in reading the comments from locals on this controversy, it would seem that many hold a different opinion of him than you do. The fact remains that a book was removed from the curriculum based on only one complaint, and without input from the staff or community. There were also other issues reported by community and teachers related to this issue. For example, the teachers were chastised for not coming to the Board instead of going public, but it was then revealed that the teachers had been explicitly told they were not allowed to speak to the Board on the issue. I've read nothing that indicates this situation was handled appropriately.

“Dance with Fire- Boycott BS”

Since: Apr 07

Moon

#11 Jan 26, 2009
Momof4 wrote:
We all seem so quick to judge people and/or their actions because of something we heard or read. Has anyone personally contacted Dr. Fauss to set up an appointment to hear in his own words WHY the book was banned? My children go to school in this district, at all levels, elementary, jr. high, and High School, from expierence I have learned that you need to get all the facts from all sides, sit in on a school board meeting or two and then come to your own conclusions on the matter. 9 out of 10 times you will see things differently or find that under certain laws,codes,rules and regulations that the individual(s) had no other choice but to respond and make descions accordingly. I have personally talked to Dr. Fauss, not on this issue but other issues in the past and have found him to be very informative, attentive and concerned about what goes on in this district. Perhaps as citzens in this community we could come up with alternatives to make everyone happy rather than sitting around pointing fingers and bashing one another.
I only see one comment in reference to this school board and its administrator/s. The rest of the posts are discussing the idea of whether this or any books should be banned.
Whillow

Danville, KY

#12 Jan 26, 2009
I think I start by saying I'm in total agreement that books shouldn't be banned...Books are meant to be read. The information inside digested.

As far as the 'profane language and depictions of sexuality', it is also a coming of age story. To be applicable to today's teen it would require at least some of these things for realism. We all know it's the 'Pagan content' that is in dispute here.
)o( Blessed Be!~ Whillow
Makin sense

United States

#13 Jan 26, 2009
I, too, say books should never be banned.

If a parent wants to control every shred of input their child has, it is up to them to do it THEMSELVES. Rather than having a book banned, the parent should make make a rule that the child needs their approval before reading anything. Many parents these days are lazy, it's too much trouble for them to teach the child to respect the family's moral set. They would rather make a phone call to have a book banned.

It just makes me sad.

“Please don't feed the trolls.”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#14 Jan 26, 2009
Banning it will be the quickest way to see its copies fly off local book store shelves...into the hands of the very kids they are trying to keep from reading it. When I was in high school, it was Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn. But we all read it, despite the controversy, at home or at the public library. Now banning it seems silly, but at that time, it was huge.

This too shall pass, along with the old and ignorant people with the small minds.

“Please don't feed the trolls.”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#15 Jan 26, 2009
Makin sense wrote:
I, too, say books should never be banned.
If a parent wants to control every shred of input their child has, it is up to them to do it THEMSELVES. Rather than having a book banned, the parent should make make a rule that the child needs their approval before reading anything. Many parents these days are lazy, it's too much trouble for them to teach the child to respect the family's moral set. They would rather make a phone call to have a book banned.
It just makes me sad.
I agree wholeheartedly! If there is ever a question about whether one of my kids ought to read a certain book,*I* read it first. I actually purchase it, read it (sometimes twice), and then decide. Any parent who doesn't do the same is irresponsible and blowing smoke (unless of course they are illiterate themselves). How can you make an intelligent decision about it unless YOU read it?
Whillow

Danville, KY

#16 Jan 26, 2009
Well, just look at how many people on here have said here that they now want it read it. This was the best thing that could have happened for the book...Now other groups will be 'looking- into' the ethics of this book, not all of them with the opinion that books shouldn't be banned.
)o( Blessed Be!~ Whillow
Whillow

Danville, KY

#17 Jan 26, 2009
I just noticed. It is supposed to read, they now want it to read.

Please forgive, my mind was somewhere else.
)o( Blessed Be!~ Whillow
Peek-A-Boo

AOL

#18 Jan 26, 2009
While I agree, that no book should ever be banned? I do believe that some books should not be supported by public money. Especially if that public money puts the book into a school library.

Let me tell you a true story involving a book. The book was entitled "The Education of Little Tree" written by Forrest Carter, published by Delcote press. It was a wonderful tale of a child raised with traditional Cherokee knowledge and values. It won a National Book Award, and ultimately was the darling of school libraries across America.

However Forrest Carter was a pen name for Asa Carter who was a Grand Dragon of the Knight's of the Ku Klux Klan. He was convicted of castrating a black man in 1957, for which he recieved a $100.00 fine and a suspended 90 day jail sentence.

Many an educator who sang praises of this book back in the 90's were caught so flat footed that they said old Asa had rehabilitated himself. Asa Carter was a speech writer for George Wallace and coined the phrase "Segregation tody, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever". Why they would think this leopards spots changed is beyond me.

The FBI ultimately reported in 2001, that the proceeds from this book helped finance many racial hate groups.

Now while I do not believe any book should be banned, I do believe that public money should not be used to finance hatred under the name of literature, as it surely was done in the 90's when this book hit the shelves of just about every school library paid for by taxpayers in the United States.

This site should get you started in investigating what I am saying:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Education_of...

I suppose what I am saying is that school boards should at least pay attention to what our money is paying for?
Peek-A-Boo

AOL

#19 Jan 26, 2009

Since: Feb 08

ANOKA, MN

#20 Jan 26, 2009
Considering how hard it is for me to get my son to read any fiction at all, I'd be thrilled to have him read and enjoy just about any fiction book. I can sometimes pique his interest in a book by telling him, "Ya know, this book was banned in a bunch of middle schools..."

Kid is 14 now, and has always insisted on reading only non-fiction books if at all possible. He's gotten in trouble in school for refusing to read fiction books during English class when he was supposed to pick several works of fiction to write reports on. We finally found a "happy medium" - the Zombie Survival Guide, which is written in the style of a non-fiction book. He's finally finding some fiction he can enjoy - but it always has to include either accurate history or science.

Kid was the same way with video tapes. Wore out the Eyewitness series, rarely watched cartoons.

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