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Bronx, NY

#875664 Mar 18, 2013
Obama Continuing the Bush/Cheney Assassination Program In June, CIA Director Leon Panetta allegedly informed members of the House Intelligence Committee of the existence of a secret Bush era program implemented in the days after 9-11 that, until last month, had been hidden from lawmakers. The concealment of the plan, Panetta alleged, happened at the orders of then-Vice President Dick Cheney.

Now, The New York Times is reporting that this secret program that had “been hidden from lawmakers” by Cheney was a plan “to dispatch small teams overseas to kill senior Qaeda terrorists.” The Wall Street Journal, which originally reported on the plan, reported that the paramilitary teams were to implement a “2001 presidential legal pronouncement, known as a finding, which authorized the CIA to pursue such efforts.”

The plan, the Times says, never was carried out because “Officials at the spy agency over the years ran into myriad logistical, legal and diplomatic obstacles.” Instead, the Bush administration “sought an alternative to killing terror suspects with missiles fired from drone aircraft or seizing them overseas and imprisoning them in secret C.I.A. jails.”

The House Intelligence Committee is now reportedly preparing an investigation into this program and the Senate may follow suit.“We were kept in the dark. That’s something that should never, ever happen again,” said Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein. Withholding this information from Congress “is a big problem, because the law is very clear.”

There are several important issues raised by this unfolding story. First, while the Times claims the program was never implemented, the program sounds very similar to what Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Sy Hersh described in March as an “executive assassination ring” run by Dick Cheney that operated throughout the Bush years:

“Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on. Just today in the Times there was a story that its leaders, a three star admiral named [William H.] McRaven, ordered a stop to it because there were so many collateral deaths.

“Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us.

Hersh’s description sounds remarkably similar to that offered by the Times and the Wall Street Journal. While the House and Senate should certainly investigate this program—and lying to Congress, misleading it or concealing from it such programs is likely illegal—it is also important to guarantee that it has actually stopped. But another pressing issue for the Congress is investigating the Obama administration’s adoption of this secret program’s central components. As the Times noted, the major reason—beyond logistical hurdles—that the program was not implemented (if that is even true) was that the Bush administration began increasing its use of weaponized drones to conduct Israeli-style targeted assassinations (often, these drones kill many more civilians than so-called “targets”). These drone attacks, coupled with the use of extraordinary rendition and secret prisons, became the official program for “eliminating” specific individuals labeled “high value” targets by the administration.

The Obama administration has not only continued the Bush policy of using drones to carry out targeted assassinations, but has also continued the use of prisons where people are held indefinitely without charge or access to the International Committee of the Red Cross. Under Obama, Bagram air base in Afghanistan is expanding and, at present, hundreds of prisoners are held there without charges. In essence, the Obama administration is doing exactly what this secret CIA program sought to do, albeit out in the open.
Realtime

Deltona, FL

#875665 Mar 18, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Another fallacy of the liberal mindset is that everybody should get a college education.
The results is millions of kids piling up massive debt getting worthless degrees from third-rate diploma mills so that they can compete for jobs that do not require a college degree.
Florida is reevaluating it's testing methods for NCLB assumes all students will be attending college. Hah!

When I was a young snapperwhipper the high schools in my region offered various course loads__college prep__business__home economics and industrial arts. Beyond high school there were different sorts of trade schools-union apprenticeship programs and such.

My friends who became tool and die makers made great money over the course of their lives. One friend became a captain on a Great Lakes freighter. Class reunions are interesting.
The Slayer

Findlay, OH

#875666 Mar 18, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Totally agree that the draft is involuntary servitude.
As for drafting women, sure women in combat is a bad idea, but if you're gonna allow that, then women should be drafted just like men.
Enemy soldiers will love the fresh meat.
I forget the Generals name....but he was saying that
for years the armed forces have had women in very important
roles such as nurses and other such very skilled roles.
His concern was that if the Armed Forces start to
become more and more of a unpleasant experience for
women, they will then have a hard time in recruiting
women into the armed forces.

That and I guess I just a little bit of the old school way
of thinking......Men fight the wars to keep the Women
and children safe....I see no reason to change that.

I think we are traveling a dangerous road when our leaders
want to push Women more and more into combat roles.

There is plenty of opportunities for Women in the Armed Forses
with out them jumping into enemy fox holes and slugging it
out with enemy soldiers.

“It's always darkest 'fore dawn”

Since: Jul 08

When's dawn?

#875667 Mar 18, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Totally agree that the draft is involuntary servitude.
As for drafting women, sure women in combat is a bad idea, but if you're gonna allow that, then women should be drafted just like men.
Enemy soldiers will love the fresh meat.
Have you tried your bigoted BS on Israel? They've been drafting everybody for ever, and I don't think they're considered over-aged cub scouts last I heard. Besides, get with the century--I think I can score more kills with my little drone than that machismo jarhead with all the upper body strength that doesn't include his head.
The Slayer

Findlay, OH

#875668 Mar 18, 2013
leosnana wrote:
<quoted text>Have you tried your bigoted BS on Israel? They've been drafting everybody for ever, and I don't think they're considered over-aged cub scouts last I heard. Besides, get with the century--I think I can score more kills with my little drone than that machismo jarhead with all the upper body strength that doesn't include his head.
If you did some basic research before you posted this, you
would know that there is one group of people excepted
from Israel draft.
carol

Orlando, FL

#875669 Mar 18, 2013
John Galt wrote:
<quoted text>
Problem is that they will never pull the wagon as long as someone else is willing.
So maybe it's time to take a seat and let them pull the wagon or starve.
At one time, high school graduates could take jobs in factories and plants where the work was tedious on assembly lines but the pay wasn't that bad.

Also, in some states, children followed in their parents' footsteps and worked in the mines and quarries where the pay, again, wasn't that bad.

Technology has in many ways become a bad thing.

A lot of high schoolers who can't find decent paying jobs because computers or robots do them now find themselves with no other choice but to go to school to put off the inevitable - working at McDonalds.

Sad but true.
The Slayer

Findlay, OH

#875670 Mar 18, 2013
carol wrote:
<quoted text>
At one time, high school graduates could take jobs in factories and plants where the work was tedious on assembly lines but the pay wasn't that bad.
Also, in some states, children followed in their parents' footsteps and worked in the mines and quarries where the pay, again, wasn't that bad.
Technology has in many ways become a bad thing.
A lot of high schoolers who can't find decent paying jobs because computers or robots do them now find themselves with no other choice but to go to school to put off the inevitable - working at McDonalds.
Sad but true.
Yes...very true, it is not easy for the young people.
Skill Skill SKILLS.....You have to have skill to compete.
The robot replaces the unskilled worker, but not the skilled worker.
new yawk

West Jordan, UT

#875671 Mar 18, 2013
leosnana wrote:
<quoted text>But that's not in the red print--saying one thing and doing another...you callin' J.C. a hypocrite, dumb carol? That should go over really well where you're goin'/(BTW, what's "deceipt"?
It where you gotta sit to drive decarp.
carol

Orlando, FL

#875672 Mar 18, 2013
For my pretend namesake's benefit (I refuse to respond to him directly):

Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.

Look it up.
new yawk

West Jordan, UT

#875673 Mar 18, 2013
carol wrote:
The movie, The Nativity, was the most accurate depiction of biblical times and Jesus' true heritage.
He definitely looked Jewish. And I mean Jewish in the Middle Eastern sense.
And yes, my pretend namesake, you won't find any historical scholar who denies Jesus' existence.
If you do, they're out of the mainstream and wrong.
Um.... I'm afraid that's not quite right, dear. Even the Jews were of the opinion that among the hoard of Jesus' in Palestine at that time, none were prophets, none were the sons of Gods. The Jews only changed their tune when they found out there was a buck to be made in it. Need I point out dear that you just flopped out yet another "judgement" to squirm and jerk uncomfortably on the floor.

“It's always darkest 'fore dawn”

Since: Jul 08

When's dawn?

#875675 Mar 18, 2013
The Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
If you did some basic research before you posted this, you
would know that there is one group of people excepted
from Israel draft.
The exemptions have nothing to do with gender, Debjinn. As of July 2012, "The prime minister named a new team to draw up a law that would "share the burden" of military service, which is required for most Israelis when they reach the age of 18. The existing law provides an exemption for Arabs and ultra-Orthodox Jews.

The issue has been a controversial political topic for months for Netanyahu, but time is running out. Israel's Supreme Court has ruled that the law, which exempts tens of thousands of Israelis from service, must be replaced by August 1."

(I don't know if it was rewritten or not...maybe they just asked for a few more hundreds of billions in USA aid to hire mercenaries.)
carol

Orlando, FL

#875676 Mar 18, 2013
Boy, I sure go from being one of the "popular kids" to one of the "outcasts" with mindboggling speed since last night.

Must have been something I said to leosnana after she quoted scripture to me about name calling right after she called me a moron again.

C'est la vie.

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carol

Orlando, FL

#875677 Mar 18, 2013
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.
new yawk

West Jordan, UT

#875679 Mar 18, 2013
carol wrote:
For my pretend namesake's benefit (I refuse to respond to him directly):
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.
Look it up.
As it happens, there's no need. I read all the books i could handle on the subject long, long ago. Turns out, nothing's been dug up since then. Well, there was that coffin... but, darn it, somebody figured out that the name had been chiseled in long after the thing was buried. Ooopsie's! There is every chance - for how do you prove a negative - that historic Jesus never existed and, frankly, the story makes a lot more sense that way.

Peter: "No, I'm tellin' yas, I seen it wid me own eyes I did! He got up, got dressed, had himself a bit of a pee you know, and then he just walked right out of there he did!... What?.... Um... sure I saw it, I saw it myself I did... and, um.... yeah, then he sorta floated away down the street and I lost track of him for a day or two and finally here he comes in the pub, see? An' he's got these holes in his hands and feet and shit... HE DID! Yeah, I seen it myself. So here he comes in that pub and he looks around an' says, "Ye that have gathered in my name, deserve a drink! Drinks all round barkeep!" Yeah.. yeah, it's just the kind of guy he was I'm tellin' ya... yeah, sure, a few bob wouldn't go astray, bless you my son, bless you.. yeah, jus' toss it in the hat there with the other... yeah, there's a good lad... shalom to you too, brother..."

Since: May 11

Aspers, PA

#875680 Mar 18, 2013
The Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes...very true, it is not easy for the young people.
Skill Skill SKILLS.....You have to have skill to compete.
The robot replaces the unskilled worker, but not the skilled worker.
Galt lied when he said liberals want everyone to go to college.

Liberals want kids to all have the opportunity to go to college or other forms of higher education such as trade schools.

Since the Republicans insist on killing the labor unions that used to take these kids & teach them through apprenticeship, they need to go to trade schools & hopefully find employers who will train them further.

A semi skilled worker can keep a cell of CNC machines operating that does the same job 6 skilled machinists used to do 30 years ago.
carol

Orlando, FL

#875681 Mar 18, 2013
Even though it's true high schoolers have a more difficult time finding decent paying jobs because computers and robots do them now...skills training and technical schools are highly overlooked as an alternative.
Realtime

Deltona, FL

#875682 Mar 18, 2013
The Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
I forget the Generals name....but he was saying that
for years the armed forces have had women in very important
roles such as nurses and other such very skilled roles.
His concern was that if the Armed Forces start to
become more and more of a unpleasant experience for
women, they will then have a hard time in recruiting
women into the armed forces.
That and I guess I just a little bit of the old school way
of thinking......Men fight the wars to keep the Women
and children safe....I see no reason to change that.
I think we are traveling a dangerous road when our leaders
want to push Women more and more into combat roles.
There is plenty of opportunities for Women in the Armed Forses
with out them jumping into enemy fox holes and slugging it
out with enemy soldiers.
Wars in places like the Middle East put women serving in traditionally noncombat roles in harms way as we saw with Jessica Lynch and others during the Iraq debacle. Our leaders aren't pushing women to the front__the circumstances of war is and women should be rewarded through promotions and pro pay on par with males.

You're obviously confused__the infantry remains closed to females.

During the Vietnam era women served in the medical area, clerking and certain other noncombat positions and there were female civilians serving there as well. Very few women died in RVN__some nurses were killed and wounded by a 122mm rocket attack while serving at the 45th Surgical Hospital in Tay Ninh which was as close to the so called front lines as US military women got. There was also a Filipino hospital with female staff at that base.

Female USO personnel and news reporters were also exposed to combat during that conlict.
carol

Orlando, FL

#875684 Mar 18, 2013
Homer 2016 wrote:
<quoted text>Global Warming is mainstream thinking, just sayin'
The magnetic poles shifting is mainstream thinking too.

It's a matter of who or what you choose to believe.

“It's always darkest 'fore dawn”

Since: Jul 08

When's dawn?

#875685 Mar 18, 2013
carol wrote:
For my pretend namesake's benefit (I refuse to respond to him directly):
Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed and biblical scholars and classical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.
Look it up.
"Modern Scholars of Antiquity"??? Not really an oxymoron, I guess, more like whorish virgins..."Most scholars who have worked on the historicity of Jesus are Christian, and thus have vested theological, psychological, and perhaps monetary reasons to conclude that he existed.

Short answer: The evidence shows that Jesus is just a mythical character and never existed.

For Jesus-believers, here's the long answer (with evidence), which is needed to cover all bases:

All reliable evidence points to Jesus Christ being just a myth. There is no reliable evidence that Jesus even existed, and significant evidence that he didn't. The evidence is in the Bible, the other religions of the time, the lack of writings about Jesus by historians of the 1st century, and the lack of writings about Jesus by anyone until a decade or more after his supposed life ended.

The story of Jesus can be shown to be just a myth created to fulfill prophesy, cobbled together out of stories from the Old Testament and previous gods and myths -- created in the 40's and 50's by Paul of Tarsus (who exhibited symptoms of epilepsy and had delusions of Christ talking to him), the other apostles, the unknown authors of the gospels in the 70's or later, and many other people. The reliable evidence for this is overwhelming.

Paul and the other epistle writers don't know any biographical details of Jesus' life, or even the time of his earthly existence. They don't refer to Bethlehem, Nazareth, Galilee, Calvary or Golgotha — or any pilgrimages to what should have been holy sites of Jesus' life. They also don't mention any miracles that Jesus was supposed to have worked, his virgin birth, his trial, the empty tomb, or his moral teachings. To them Jesus was largely a sky-god, who existed in the spiritual past..."

But what the hey, dumb carol, believe 'em if ya' got 'em.
carol

Orlando, FL

#875686 Mar 18, 2013
Homer 2016 wrote:
<quoted text>To be fair Carol's alter ego, there is the possibility the Romans would have kept no record of him as he would have been seen as a martyr and that's the last thing they needed on their hands.
Early Christians were fed to the lions and it wasn't that long after Jesus' time on this earth.

Guess they were fooled big time, huh?

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