Same-sex marriage goes down to legisl...

Same-sex marriage goes down to legislative wire in New York

There are 58 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 19, 2011, titled Same-sex marriage goes down to legislative wire in New York. In it, Reuters reports that:

Supporters and opponents of gay marriage made 11th-hour appeals on Sunday as state lawmakers weighed a vote on making New York the sixth state -- and the most populous -- to legalize same-sex marriage.

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Since: Jan 07

Rochester, MI

#1 Jun 19, 2011
This will probably go down one of two ways. Either it won't be submitted for a vote or all, or it will end up containing a poison pill that will ensure its defeat.

“LGBT Americans, We're ”

Since: Jun 09

Everywhere you are!

#2 Jun 19, 2011
New York's Archbishop, Timothy Dolan, reiterated his and the Catholic Church's opposition to gay marriage on Sunday, vowing to oppose "any radical bill to redefine the very essence of marriage."
"One has to wonder why the proponents of this radical redefinition, who claim overwhelming popular support, would not consider" a referendum "on such a drastic departure from traditional values?" he [Dolan] wrote on his blog.

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One has to wonder if Mr. Dolan ever attended a civics or government class in high school. The constitutional rights of others should never be put to a popular vote. This is a principle the Religious Reich in America needs to understand.

“The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and OTHER FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS may not be submitted to vote; THEY DEPEND ON THE OUTCOME OF NO ELECTIONS.”- USSC Justice Robert Jackson writing for the Court in "West Virginia State Board Of Education v. Barnette" (1943).
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#4 Jun 19, 2011
I'm hopeful that the bill will pass, but pessimistic.

The fascist Roman Catholic Church, which seeks to impose it's will on people who freely choose to be NON-CATHOLICS, is too powerful here in New York.

“WAY TO GO”

Since: Mar 11

IRELAND

#5 Jun 19, 2011
Personally I'm okay with the religious exemptions for the CHURCHES and the CHURCHES ONLY.......not for the florist, the photographer, the cater or any other BUSINESS OWNER WHO WANTS TO JUSTIFY THEIR BIGOTRY........but the Churches are protected under the 1st Amendment and they should be allowed to discriminate.......but in the end their DISCRIMINATION will hurt them.......just as it has done to the Boy Scouts of American!!!

Oh and if the Catholic Church or ANY OTHER CHURCH wants to continue to force their beliefs on government..........MAYBE THEY SHOULD LOSE THEIR PRECIOUS TAX-EXEMPT STATUS!!!

TomInElPaso

“Impeach the reality show actor”

Since: Dec 08

Seminole, FL

#6 Jun 19, 2011
The Catholic church is afraid their monopoly of the adoption marketplace will be destroyed by this vote. When after centuries has the Catholic Church NOT been all about the MONEY?

Spend some time touring Spain and visit the Catholic churches and cathedrals there. It is not unusual to see magnificent displays of multimillion dollar collections of gold and exotic jewels on display in their "museums" inside the churches. Spain, Portugal and the church were primary participants in the raping of South, Central America and of course Mexico on this continent.

The vulgarity of the wealth displayed is very notable when you leave and see the poor and disabled sitting outside begging for their very existence. The Catholic Church is ALWAYS about the money.
RnL2008 wrote:
Personally I'm okay with the religious exemptions for the CHURCHES and the CHURCHES ONLY.......not for the florist, the photographer, the cater or any other BUSINESS OWNER WHO WANTS TO JUSTIFY THEIR BIGOTRY........but the Churches are protected under the 1st Amendment and they should be allowed to discriminate.......but in the end their DISCRIMINATION will hurt them.......just as it has done to the Boy Scouts of American!!!
Oh and if the Catholic Church or ANY OTHER CHURCH wants to continue to force their beliefs on government..........MAYBE THEY SHOULD LOSE THEIR PRECIOUS TAX-EXEMPT STATUS!!!

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Silver Spring, MD

#7 Jun 19, 2011
It's rather shocking to me that the current NY Archbishop is not an apparent closet case, as so many previous ones have been,(they didn't call him "Fanny" Spellman for nothing.)

Speaking of nothing in particular in a closet homosexual vein, how's the Hitler Youth Pope Nosferatu these days?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#8 Jun 19, 2011
The New York Post is reporting that Cuomo and Skelos have worked out the language on the "religious exemptions" and that the vote on the Marriage Bill is going to take place sometime today (Monday).
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Jun 19, 2011
My attitude may puzzle some here, and it is this: Hold the vote and if you lose, wait till next year.

Why this attitude?

Because this time, YOU DID DO everything you could. This time, YOU DID fight like crazy. This time, YOU DID commit to the knock-down-drag-out fight and did EVERYTHING you could think of to make this happen.

In addition, this is a FAIR legislative vote in a state that UNDERSTANDS the existence of gay people, and THERE IS no option for a public/citizens' vote. Nearly everything about this is fair.(I'm not touching upon the idiocy of the anti-gay legislators here; I'm sticking to a single point.)

So you hold the vote, and you win or lose.

Doesn't happen? Start working TOMORROW to unseat and end the careers of legislators who stood against this, and stack the senate in your favor for a vote next year. It's the best you could do, and this is *going to happen eventually*.

Normally, I'd be "raging" at the incompetency of some group or other, but here, these groups did everything they could. There's nothing to do but hold a vote and then either cheer your victory or fight nonstop for another year, never backing down, endlessly stubborn, determined to do this if it's the last thing you do.

P.S. The "religious" exemptions disgust me and I predict lawsuits anyway. It's really, really, really difficult to justify under the United States constitution that these exemptions are permitted for "people of faith" while society teaches us never to *dare* to show the slightest prejudice against a woman, or a black person, etc.... and it's not working. It's not working at all, and I have sounded this alarm until I am hoarse. The younger generations are INCREASINGLY sexist and INCREASINGLY racist -- surprisingly and virulently so -- in part because they watch their government exempting groups of persons *based on an unproven book and nothing more*, allowing those groups of persons to *refuse to serve or interact with gay people in certain contexts as if those gay people are lepers*. It's not working, I promise you, and I'm starting to laugh as I see more and more evidence of this that people OBVIOUSLY don't want to deal with. You'll see. I'm not imagining what I see. You'll see.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#10 Jun 20, 2011
The lesgislative session ends at midnight tonite (unless they unexpectedly extend it).

I urge ALL NEW YORKERS to call and email their senator and tell them to PASS the Marriage Equality bill !

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11 Jun 20, 2011
hi hi wrote:
My attitude may puzzle some here, and it is this: Hold the vote and if you lose, wait till next year.
Why this attitude?
Because this time, YOU DID DO everything you could. This time, YOU DID fight like crazy. This time, YOU DID commit to the knock-down-drag-out fight and did EVERYTHING you could think of to make this happen.
In addition, this is a FAIR legislative vote in a state that UNDERSTANDS the existence of gay people, and THERE IS no option for a public/citizens' vote. Nearly everything about this is fair.(I'm not touching upon the idiocy of the anti-gay legislators here; I'm sticking to a single point.)
So you hold the vote, and you win or lose.
Doesn't happen? Start working TOMORROW to unseat and end the careers of legislators who stood against this, and stack the senate in your favor for a vote next year. It's the best you could do, and this is *going to happen eventually*.
Normally, I'd be "raging" at the incompetency of some group or other, but here, these groups did everything they could. There's nothing to do but hold a vote and then either cheer your victory or fight nonstop for another year, never backing down, endlessly stubborn, determined to do this if it's the last thing you do.
P.S. The "religious" exemptions disgust me and I predict lawsuits anyway. It's really, really, really difficult to justify under the United States constitution that these exemptions are permitted for "people of faith" while society teaches us never to *dare* to show the slightest prejudice against a woman, or a black person, etc.... and it's not working. It's not working at all, and I have sounded this alarm until I am hoarse. The younger generations are INCREASINGLY sexist and INCREASINGLY racist -- surprisingly and virulently so -- in part because they watch their government exempting groups of persons *based on an unproven book and nothing more*, allowing those groups of persons to *refuse to serve or interact with gay people in certain contexts as if those gay people are lepers*. It's not working, I promise you, and I'm starting to laugh as I see more and more evidence of this that people OBVIOUSLY don't want to deal with. You'll see. I'm not imagining what I see. You'll see.
We already removed 3 anti-gay Senators, and if this vote doesn't happen or it doesn't pass, you can bet there will be a few more turned out in 2012. Megabillionaire Tim Gill (along with others) have been financing the pro-equality candidates in New York and elsewhere.

Hopefully they have a vote today; even if it doesn't pass we'll know who to target next.

“WAY TO GO”

Since: Mar 11

IRELAND

#12 Jun 20, 2011
TomInElPaso wrote:
The Catholic church is afraid their monopoly of the adoption marketplace will be destroyed by this vote. When after centuries has the Catholic Church NOT been all about the MONEY?
Spend some time touring Spain and visit the Catholic churches and cathedrals there. It is not unusual to see magnificent displays of multimillion dollar collections of gold and exotic jewels on display in their "museums" inside the churches. Spain, Portugal and the church were primary participants in the raping of South, Central America and of course Mexico on this continent.
The vulgarity of the wealth displayed is very notable when you leave and see the poor and disabled sitting outside begging for their very existence. The Catholic Church is ALWAYS about the money.
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Yea, I know the Catholic Church is all about the money.........they always have been and always will be..........and yes, they are concerned with losing state and federal funding on their Adoption agencies, but that is their problem for not truly caring about the welfare of the children, just the money factor of it!!!

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#13 Jun 20, 2011
I'm crossing my fingers here in sunny Arizona, hoping that New York state equality wins today.

If it does, it will send a very loud, very clear message to those who attempted to influence this vote with their dollars and their political savvy: In a democratic republic, the rights of both the majority and the minority are protected from "the tyranny of the majority".

“Created Equal”

Since: Feb 08

USA

#14 Jun 20, 2011
Frank Stanton wrote:
The lesgislative session ends at midnight tonite (unless they unexpectedly extend it).
I urge ALL NEW YORKERS to call and email their senator and tell them to PASS the Marriage Equality bill !
Looks like they're gonna call the vote today. We don't necessarily need any of the reported "no" votes to change to a yet. We're at a dead tie, so all we need is one member of the GOP to abstain from voting, and it passes. For several of them, that is the politically expedient move. They can still say they didn't vote for it!

And the session will likely be extended... and will be if they don't get the rent control rules worked out. They're further from agreement on that then they are on the religious exemptions in the marriage equality bill, so an extension is likely. Cuomo won't let them go home till rent control is fixed, or every last one of them is politically doomed, republican and democrat alike.

If the rent controls are allowed to expire, many New York City inhabitants could see their rent double overnight, and would be none too happy about that.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#15 Jun 20, 2011
ScottyMatic wrote:
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Looks like they're gonna call the vote today. We don't necessarily need any of the reported "no" votes to change to a yet. We're at a dead tie, so all we need is one member of the GOP to abstain from voting, and it passes. For several of them, that is the politically expedient move. They can still say they didn't vote for it!
And the session will likely be extended... and will be if they don't get the rent control rules worked out. They're further from agreement on that then they are on the religious exemptions in the marriage equality bill, so an extension is likely. Cuomo won't let them go home till rent control is fixed, or every last one of them is politically doomed, republican and democrat alike.
If the rent controls are allowed to expire, many New York City inhabitants could see their rent double overnight, and would be none too happy about that.
Alternatively, if there's a tie vote, the Lt. Governor gets to break the tie. But I know that NOBY in the Senate, nor the Governor, wants the bill to ass that way.

I'm hopeful, but not holding my breath.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Jun 20, 2011
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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We already removed 3 anti-gay Senators, and if this vote doesn't happen or it doesn't pass, you can bet there will be a few more turned out in 2012. Megabillionaire Tim Gill (along with others) have been financing the pro-equality candidates in New York and elsewhere.
Hopefully they have a vote today; even if it doesn't pass we'll know who to target next.
I agree, and your post made me smile. For damn once, ONE STATE is getting it right and fighting nonstop and they are determined as hell to do it,*no matter how long it takes*. What you say is exactly what I believe will go down; I personally believe New York will have marriage equality by 2013.

But look at everything they had to do to ensure it. Dude, if that was not a knock-down-drag-out fight for YEARS, then I don't know what was.

THAT is the kind of fight this is going to encounter everywhere in the northeast and mid-central northeast until demographics change; and then after demographics change, it's the kind of fight you're still going to encounter EVERYWHERE else (e.g., a place like Wyoming or Texas). This is going to be a long, hard-fought process. And I am very happy to see that New York did it right.

They did it so right, in fact, that if this doesn't pass, I shrug and say, "Next year." You and I both know it's gonna happen soon.

THE "RELIGIOUS" IN NEW YORK have admitted it's gonna happen soon.

Matter of time. Nothing more.

And I say, good for them!:D
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Jun 20, 2011
When I cited the northeast "until demographics change," I should also have included the west coast, where in Cali, Oregon and Washington, this isn't going to have *as much trouble* passing.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#18 Jun 20, 2011
I urge ALL NEW YORKERS to call their senator and tell him to vote FOR the Marriage Equality bill.

I just called and emailed my senator for the FOURTH time this past week.

I urge ALL NEW YORKERS to tell your senator to vote FOR the bill.

The current Senate session is scheduled to end in less than 9 hours, if it is not unexpectedly extended.
hi hi

Philadelphia, PA

#19 Jun 20, 2011
Frank Stanton wrote:
I urge ALL NEW YORKERS to call their senator and tell him to vote FOR the Marriage Equality bill.
I just called and emailed my senator for the FOURTH time this past week.
I urge ALL NEW YORKERS to tell your senator to vote FOR the bill.
The current Senate session is scheduled to end in less than 9 hours, if it is not unexpectedly extended.
Senator Ball, who sounds like a crybaby, claims in a new article through google that his facebook page (where he has asked America to chime in) is "split 50/50" on marriage equality:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/573...

Note the comments section in which, at the time of my writing this, ALL FOUR comments say Ball is *lying* and the split on his facebook page is more like 90% in favor of marriage equality, 10% against.

Ya hafta hand it to a senator who asked the INTERNET, where the elderly dumbfucks are UNDERrepresented and have a lot less say than the ubiquitous members of the younger generation, who are far more supportive of marriage equality.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#20 Jun 20, 2011
Looks like yet another delay and they quibble over who knows what crap. A vote isn't expected for a couple of days- obviously they all believe Cuomo will extend the legislative session through the week.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#21 Jun 20, 2011
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Looks like yet another delay and they quibble over who knows what crap. A vote isn't expected for a couple of days- obviously they all believe Cuomo will extend the legislative session through the week.
I think they're holding out for concessions on other bills. They want to make a package deal on a number of bills before ending the session.

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