Uncle 'stands up' for charged nephew

Jonathan Krause insists that his nephew is not a killer. But because few people seem to agree with him, he said, Krause decided to speak out Wednesday on behalf of Jordan Anthony Brown, 11, who is charged with ...

[Politically Incorrect]

I understand the rock/hard place thing. I honestly do. However, I can understand losing someone you love, in a violent manner, a LOT better! NEVER being able to speak to them again/NEVER being able to tell them they're loved OR to hear those words spoken to yourself/NEVER being able to sing Happy Birthday to them/NEVER, in the foreseeable future, seeing anything to be Thankful for/NEVER being able to wish them a Merry Christmas!! Bars allow a LOT more access to a loved on, than 6 ft of soil does.

Not wanting to cause more confusion/heartache than there already is, could it also be that he didn't get to interact with his mother often enough? Could the jealousy also extend to his sister, who lives with their mother? Could he have killed Kenzie, because she was the one available to him? I'm NOT offering those as REASONS for him to kill...as far as I'm concerned, there IS NO REASON for killing someone in cold blood, regardless of the age. Those are some things the maternal family should examine.

If the kid wasn't aware of what he was doing, he wouldn't have gone back upstairs when he was met by Kenzies daughter, downstairs. He wouldn't have tried to muffle the sound, knowing there were other kids in the house...and he wouldn't have picked up the spent shell from the bedroom floor, or the bed, whichever. He might have been jilted back to reality, and began screaming and sobbing, running from the room...but he didn't, did he? Then there's the fact he casually dropped the shell in the yard. If he had meant to take it on the bus with him, he would have stopped, to pick it up...correct? But no! He had the presence of mind to realize if he had been caught with it at school, by another kid, or the staff, they would only have to run a comparison test...SLAM!! That's premeditation, at it's best...sorry as I can be, for the maternal side, but thats the way I've thought it out.

[The_Great_Debate r]

I Think that the boy shouldnt be charged with a life sentence because he is so young. I think the father should be held responsible for the boys actions. Its a PA law that you have to be either 12 or 13 to go hunting or carry a gun. And you have to go and get a liscence for it also. The boy didnt have a liscence for the gun nor was he old enough to go hunting. And the father should be smart enough to lock the guns up so the boy couldnt get to him. That is what a responsible perant would do.

I think the boy should be put in a Mental home or get some kind of help because when ever you kill someone just to do it, you have a problem. And he was only 11 so imagine what he is going through. No one just picks a gun up and shoots some one. You either have a reason or something is wrong with you. And a lot of people say that it is jelously but i think there is more to that story then what the media is telling us. Something was going on in that house wheather people want to believe it or not.

[painintheass]

Children's brains are developed enough to understand the full consequenses. He may grow up to be a pervert also, but now I think its wrong for him to be treated as an adult, even though what he did was terrible.

I haven't heard his Dad speak up. Most fathers would be with their child, right or wrong.

[painintheass]

Debater, something wrong in house is no excuse. There are a lot of disfunctional homes and nutty parents.

[Valleygirl]

My deepest heartfelt sympathy to all of the victims. May they all be Blessed with Peace and Comfort, knowing that we serve a loving and forgiving God. Jordan is a young boy, who is also a victim, and in this care, of our society that no longer has boundaries, including with "families." Many parents in our society today choose to be absent from their children, and, or often have multiple partners/children, and then try to make everyone somehow fit in. It's a long shot situation few can accomplish. The price of this way of life is so high, both financially and emotionally, and that's why it's impossible to take care of the needs of all involved, and why ultimately the taxpayer helps foot the bills, sometimes to the extremes, as in the case of Jordan, who was positively emotionally insecure to the point of committing murder. His father's girlfriend, her children from previous relationships, and the new baby boy on the way, were threats to his emotional security. Jordan became the outsider when his father's girlfriend and her children, and her baby on-the-way, literally moved into his father's life and into his life. Jordan was in great emotional pain, and suffered an insecurity we will never know of completely in this life time.

[The_Great_Debate]

I as a son of a cop know that the adult has to be resposible for keeping his guns in a safe place. My Dad was a great and concientious father and beloved by everyone. He was fearless but careful for his children.
Guns should of been locked up until they were hunting.

[Politically Incorrect]

With all due respect to your dad:

I'm not the son, or daughter of a cop, and my life hasn't always been rosey...but I''ve lived around guns my entire life, and have yet to think of using one to scare anyone, much less hurt/kill 'em.

There's soooooooooo many who can shoulder Jordans blame. While we blame the gun, let's also blame Kenzie's nephews, and their father, for not mentioning it to someone. Let's blame Kenzie, herself, for fallin' in love with Jordan's dad, and for not being awake and alert that morning. Let's blame Kenzie's daughters because they lived with their mother, and I would guess, from what I've read, Jordans mom isn't that loving...'cept maybe to her daughter, whom she kept, when she allowed Jordans dad to have total custody...name change and all! That's gotta hurt a kid down to the quik. Then, although he wasn't destined to be born, let's blame little Christopher for probably taking more time away from Jordan, in the near future. I'd like to see "her unborn son" changed to "Jordan's unborn brother". Is that too much to put on him...make it seem too real...subject him to more "pain/remorse" than he already feels, to know he KILLED his own BROTHER!!! These "children" grow up to be adults. Their victims, don't have the luxury of starting their life over once their debt is paid. It sickens me to think there are people out there who feel pain for this minor...except his family, of course. But even they, have to look at it and see that it could have been someone else's "child" who ended the life of Jordan. It's that simple.

I'm sorry. He doesn't get a moments sympathy from me. The boy went downstairs, met Kenzies older daughter, then went back upstairs. I believe he meant to take the girls life, as promised, but she caught him off guard. He had a blanket over the gun, to muffle the sound. Then, on the way to the bus, he disgarded the shell in the yard. He tried to shift the blame to someone driving a black truck. The teacher didn't comment that Jordan behaved any differently in class that day...before he and Kenzie's daughters were called home. As I've said before, his father and the rest will have a much easier time visiting Jordan, thru bars/a window, or across an open table, than Kenzie's family will...seperated by 6 ft of soil.

One day, it could be me, or mine, laying dead, because of something beyond our control...so therefore, I'm not gonna cry any tears for Jordan. Nor should you, if my son would do something monsterous like that, shed tears for him, or me. I mean that with my whole being. I'm tired of minors, being posed as "children", by the legal system. It doesn't teach the "child" anything. The Jonesboro, Ark school killers took I can't remember how many lives. They're out now, with expunged records...allowed by law to begin their lives anew...own and carry...just like the people they killed, never existed!!

[Valleygirl]

To: The Great Debate & Politically Incorrect,

This case really touches my heart, for all of the victims, including Jordan, and I'm truly SORRY there are not enough Ministers, Priests and Rabbis who are preaching loudly enough about Morals and Values, because we collectively live in a society that disregards all boundaries for morals and values. And in Jordan's case the adults in his life set a horrendous example of NOT being responsible, especially for the gun which was way too tempting for Jordan. And, it's possible Jordan was not aware of "Thou Shall Not Kill."

[Politically Incorrect]

Valleygirl wrote:

To: The Great Debate & Politically Incorrect,
This case really touches my heart, for all of the victims, including Jordan, and I'm truly SORRY there are not enough Ministers, Priests and Rabbis who are preaching loudly enough about Morals and Values, because we collectively live in a society that disregards all boundaries for morals and values. And in Jordan's case the adults in his life set a horrendous example of NOT being responsible, especially for the gun which was way too tempting for Jordan. And, it's possible Jordan was not aware of "Thou Shall Not Kill."

What horrendous examples? Do you know FACTs that the rest of us aren't privy to? The only thing I can see they could have been better at, was communication. But 9.5 out of 10 parents, teachers, friends are guilty of that. People don't ask questions they don't want the answers to...it's been that way since the day before time began, probably. It's too late to communicate with Jordan, but it isn't, to talk to our own kids, and others, who trust our judgement. It's better to speak up, if you see something wrong, or on it's way to wrong...than it is to keep your mouth shut, and read about it in the paper in the future.

Do you have a 6 y/o child in your home...gender doesn't matter. Ask 'em if it's ok to smack someone with a toy. They'll tell you NO, it's NOT ok. If you have an older child, ask them if it's EVER ok to use a gun, or any other weapon against a person, except in the event of self defense. That kid will tell you NO, it's NOT ok. I respect your opinion, and your right to feel sorry for Jordan...but you'll never convince me he didn't know he was ending lives, selfishly.

[Valleygirl]

Politically Correct,

The statement that I'm quoting in this message is from the "The Great Debater", and he lists perfect examples of horrendous irresponsibility on the part of Jordan's father. Also, I agree with The Great Debater, that the boys father should be held responsible for the boy's actions.

"I Think that the boy shouldnt be charged with a life sentence because he is so young. I think the father should be held responsible for the boys actions. Its a PA law that you have to be either 12 or 13 to go hunting or carry a gun. And you have to go and get a liscence for it also. The boy didnt have a liscence for the gun nor was he old enough to go hunting. And the father should be smart enough to lock the guns up so the boy couldnt get to him. That is what a responsible perant would do. "

Politically Correct, I repeat...we live in a society that collectively disregards all boundaries for morals and values, and it might very well be for those reason, that Jordan had some immature ideas about murder not being as horrific as it is. I've made that statement because of the believable defense of Jordan, on the part of his Uncle.

May we collectively as a Society, gain Wisdom from this tragic crime.

[Politically Incorrect]

Valleygirl wrote:

May we collectively as a Society, gain Wisdom from this tragic crime.

Sure we can...and the next one too...and the one after that...and the next, and the next. You're behaving like this child is mentally challenged. I beg to differ. A mentally challenged person isn't capable of planning, carrying out, and covering up a crime.

I'm finished with this topic, except to say one thing:

Let the father serve out the little boy's "mistake", but instead of sending Jordan to live w/mommy and sister, who I doubt would take him...let's send him to live w/you and your family for the duration...how would that be?

As long as these sweet little "children" are permitted, by bleeding hearts like yourself, to accept little more than a slap on the wrist, this will continue to happen, at an alarming rate. Someday, it may be your turn. I bet the response would be different then.

[Valleygirl]

Politically Incorrect,

Sadly, America is in a desperate situation, and we are all in some ways victims of our collective society that has so few morals, and values, with no boundaries, We have foolishly disregarded the wholesome Commandments and Virtues that kept us Godly people, and now we are morally and financially Bankrupt.
Look around...we're ALL suffering because we have collectively selfishly and foolishly allowed the moral and financial destruction of our once great Country, and our children collectively, are suffering too.

[The B]

The boy should stand and take the punishment like a man. On that day he acted out a crime like a man. The planning,the act of violence,the cover up. The child might be sick but there is no excuse for what he done. If one of us were to have commited this act we would be given no mercy. In a crime like this there should be no age barrier given.

[Sick of it]

Did he do an ACULT CRIME??? THHHHHHHHHENNNN ADULT TIME, plain and simple. No rehab, no pampering, NO EXCUSES. He is the one that pulled the trigger and the one that is reponsible..........

[new castle kid]

I coached that kid in foot ball an let me tell you he has MAJOR problems an so does his FATHER who let me ad is not a very good one . JORDAN BROWN should be locked up FOREVER

[new castle kid]

ALSO let me add that his father should be convicted also for letting him have guns at hands reach.. IF you get caught leaving your kid in the car on a hot sunny day your ass is in trouble so his dad should pay as well

[new castle kid]

HE AND HIS FATHER DESERVE TO TO SPEND THE REST OF THERE LIVES BEHIND BARS

[Jamie]

Been following this story since Feb. 09 and whether Jordan Brown did or didn't do this has yet to be determined (according to media there seems to be a lot of speculations and assumptions) but we as a society better be VERY afraid when we have state laws (and DA's) that can lock up children this young forever without the chance of ever getting out again. Children this young need help which they will not get in prison. Society, as well as the victim’s, need to remember that these laws also apply to our own children/grandchildren. Don't say it can't happen to your child or your child would not do this or that because if you asked these parents whose children are locked up for life, I am sure they said the same thing.

The laws to lock up children under 18 years old in adult prisons need to change NOW!!!!! Children need to be held accountable for their actions but not on an adult level because they are not adults!!! They cannot be deemed adults in one aspect of the law (crime) and not be in another (voting, drinking, joining the military, they even need parent permission to go on a school field trip, etc….). Locking children up in adult prisons is not a life sentence it is a death sentence to these children especially when we have far worse adults out on our streets. Sentencing children under 18 years old as adults and in some cases locking them up forever with no chance of parole is saying that these children are worse then the child molesters living in our neighborhoods, it is saying they are worse than the drunk driving who serves a few years for killing someone while driving drunk, it is saying that they are worse than the drug dealers who return back to their corner, it says that they are worse than the adults who have killed and have gotten only a few years WITH parole. Think about it!!!!

[Give me a break]

The boy's Uncle needs to wake up. Did he use his own gun? Did he pull the trigger? BINGO ..........guilty. And again Adult Crime ...Adult Time or Punishment. And I agree it is time for our society to be held accountable. Granted he is 11 years old BUT he know right from wrong and knew what he was doing. And knew it was totally WRONG. Place the blame where you want BUT again did he pull the trigger???? was it his own shotgun????......FIGURE IT OUT ...

[Hillary]

new castle kid wrote:

HE AND HIS FATHER DESERVE TO TO SPEND THE REST OF THERE LIVES BEHIND BARS

Your horrible and probably some big A-hole that really should not be coaching kids by they way you speak. Any coach should be mature enough to understand and accept that children are immature and need guidance. Your a real ____ head.