Dredging in False River

Since: May 08

Denham Springs

#82 May 20, 2008
Jarreau89 wrote:
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As of this AM the river level is at 17.9 so it can be opened. The magic number for closing the river is 18 feet. So, the answer to your question is yes - unless of course we get another downpour. Just remember if your boating - please stay out away from the piers and bulkheads as far as possible. With the river this high and increased wave action from boats, jet skis, etc. it does a lot of damage. And with the price of a bulkhead now..........
Excellent ! We have a camp on the canal behind Jim's Bar on Michael Lane.We are coming out there Thursday through Monday.When I was a kid we had a camp on the island side not far from the old Pop's bar,so I definitley understand about staying out away from the piers,I normally stay a good ways out from the no wake buoys too.We had a new bulkhead put in about a year or so ago ,they are not cheap! Our time in the boat this weekend will probably be limited due to all the boat/jet ski traffic. It can get really congested out there on holidays,sometimes you just have to get off the gas ,set the boat down and figure out where you're gonna go ,beacause of all the other boats coming at you from multiple directions.I don't get much enjoyment out of that,plus the water is so rough,you get beat to death. We will just end up going out a little ways and tossing the anchor and swimming for a while. Thanks for the river report,I came down this past weekend,gassed the boat up,drove over to Jim's ,only to find out the river was closed!! I felt pretty dumb as I was explaining that to all my friends that came down for the weekend.I knew we had gotten a lot of rain ,it just didn't dawn on me for some reason that the river could be closed.I guess it is because they don't close it that often.
New to Area

Livingston, LA

#83 May 21, 2008
The lots in Cypress Cove are at 22.5' elevation, the river would have had to come up almost another four feet(which it never has) to get onto the main part of the lots where the houses are. The lots are titled to the middle of the private canals. A couple of trespassing tickets were issued last week by the sheriffs office to people that wanted to argue that they were public property. Now they'll have the opportunity for themselves and/or their lawyers to try and convince a judge that the State Land Office did not establish where exactly the property line is between private and public property.I know for a fact that the State Land Office spent $44,000 dollars of our tax dollars to hire an independent geographer to establish where the 15' elevation was in 1975 as per state law, to which the property could be reclaimed. All because a neighbor on adjoining property didn't want the development to come out as far as his property. Which by the way was illegally reclaimed without a permit. I'm glad I'm a couple of lots away from him.
Jarreau89

Ponchatoula, LA

#84 May 21, 2008
Caseyk wrote:
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Excellent ! We have a camp on the canal behind Jim's Bar on Michael Lane.We are coming out there Thursday through Monday.When I was a kid we had a camp on the island side not far from the old Pop's bar,so I definitley understand about staying out away from the piers,I normally stay a good ways out from the no wake buoys too.We had a new bulkhead put in about a year or so ago ,they are not cheap! Our time in the boat this weekend will probably be limited due to all the boat/jet ski traffic. It can get really congested out there on holidays,sometimes you just have to get off the gas ,set the boat down and figure out where you're gonna go ,beacause of all the other boats coming at you from multiple directions.I don't get much enjoyment out of that,plus the water is so rough,you get beat to death. We will just end up going out a little ways and tossing the anchor and swimming for a while. Thanks for the river report,I came down this past weekend,gassed the boat up,drove over to Jim's ,only to find out the river was closed!! I felt pretty dumb as I was explaining that to all my friends that came down for the weekend.I knew we had gotten a lot of rain ,it just didn't dawn on me for some reason that the river could be closed.I guess it is because they don't close it that often.
You're welcome - glad to have been of service. Have a great Memorial Day at the river.
Jarreau89

Ponchatoula, LA

#85 May 21, 2008
New to Area wrote:
The lots in Cypress Cove are at 22.5' elevation, the river would have had to come up almost another four feet(which it never has) to get onto the main part of the lots where the houses are. The lots are titled to the middle of the private canals. A couple of trespassing tickets were issued last week by the sheriffs office to people that wanted to argue that they were public property. Now they'll have the opportunity for themselves and/or their lawyers to try and convince a judge that the State Land Office did not establish where exactly the property line is between private and public property.I know for a fact that the State Land Office spent $44,000 dollars of our tax dollars to hire an independent geographer to establish where the 15' elevation was in 1975 as per state law, to which the property could be reclaimed. All because a neighbor on adjoining property didn't want the development to come out as far as his property. Which by the way was illegally reclaimed without a permit. I'm glad I'm a couple of lots away from him.
Are you certain about the river never having reached the 22.5' level? While it may not have reached that level in recent years, I believe it has exceeded that elevation years and years and years ago.

From what I hear there are a couple of projects that have recently been put on "cease and desist order" by the Corps of Engineers for reclaiming river property without any permits.
New to Area

Livingston, LA

#86 May 21, 2008
Jarreau89 wrote:
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Are you certain about the river never having reached the 22.5' level? While it may not have reached that level in recent years, I believe it has exceeded that elevation years and years and years ago.
From what I hear there are a couple of projects that have recently been put on "cease and desist order" by the Corps of Engineers for reclaiming river property without any permits.
If I remember correctly I was told by the surveyors that a few yrs. ago it hit 21.4' or maybe 20.4' which was last hit in 1959. The fema flood elev. is either 21.5' or 22'. The lots are at 22.5' and the ground floors of the houses are being built at 23'+.

Yes, a couple of projects have been halted due to neighbors that built out into the river past the 1975, 15' elev. and are now complaining because adjoining property owners are doing the same thing they did. Which will probably come back to bite them in the ass because it proves that their yards extend out onto state land. They may well end up having to pay perpetual rent to the state for part of their yards based on appraised value of their lot or it could end up being used by the public. Might be a good opportunity to rent some water front property from the state when or if it goes up for public bid. LOL !!!!

There are several other projects going on every day on False River that do not have permits and are going out beyond that 15' mark as per state law but that's being selectively enforced.

Cypress Cove so far is the only project ever done on the river that had any and all permits in place before work was begun. And is the only one so far that has ever had all permits required from every State and Federal agency involved.

The engineer for Cypress Cove tells me that if you contact the State Land Office they will give you Preacher's project as an example and tell you to contact his engineer for advice on getting thru the permitting process.

His project has been anonymously reported numerous times for various violations and after investigations by the various agencies, Cypress Cove has NOT been found to be in any violations of ANY regulations.
Permit

Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

#87 May 21, 2008
New to Area wrote:
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If I remember correctly I was told by the surveyors that a few yrs. ago it hit 21.4' or maybe 20.4' which was last hit in 1959. The fema flood elev. is either 21.5' or 22'. The lots are at 22.5' and the ground floors of the houses are being built at 23'+.
Yes, a couple of projects have been halted due to neighbors that built out into the river past the 1975, 15' elev. and are now complaining because adjoining property owners are doing the same thing they did. Which will probably come back to bite them in the ass because it proves that their yards extend out onto state land. They may well end up having to pay perpetual rent to the state for part of their yards based on appraised value of their lot or it could end up being used by the public. Might be a good opportunity to rent some water front property from the state when or if it goes up for public bid. LOL !!!!
There are several other projects going on every day on False River that do not have permits and are going out beyond that 15' mark as per state law but that's being selectively enforced.
Cypress Cove so far is the only project ever done on the river that had any and all permits in place before work was begun. And is the only one so far that has ever had all permits required from every State and Federal agency involved.
The engineer for Cypress Cove tells me that if you contact the State Land Office they will give you Preacher's project as an example and tell you to contact his engineer for advice on getting thru the permitting process.
His project has been anonymously reported numerous times for various violations and after investigations by the various agencies, Cypress Cove has NOT been found to be in any violations of ANY regulations.
The only reason why they give that one as example is because it's the only one that has ever be done on False River. It's the only one they have. Sounds like you are putting a plug in for that engineer. May you are him or maybe you are PREACHER.
Jarreau89

Ponchatoula, LA

#88 May 21, 2008
New to Area wrote:
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If I remember correctly I was told by the surveyors that a few yrs. ago it hit 21.4' or maybe 20.4' which was last hit in 1959. The fema flood elev. is either 21.5' or 22'. The lots are at 22.5' and the ground floors of the houses are being built at 23'+.
Yes, a couple of projects have been halted due to neighbors that built out into the river past the 1975, 15' elev. and are now complaining because adjoining property owners are doing the same thing they did. Which will probably come back to bite them in the ass because it proves that their yards extend out onto state land. They may well end up having to pay perpetual rent to the state for part of their yards based on appraised value of their lot or it could end up being used by the public. Might be a good opportunity to rent some water front property from the state when or if it goes up for public bid. LOL !!!!
There are several other projects going on every day on False River that do not have permits and are going out beyond that 15' mark as per state law but that's being selectively enforced.
Cypress Cove so far is the only project ever done on the river that had any and all permits in place before work was begun. And is the only one so far that has ever had all permits required from every State and Federal agency involved.
The engineer for Cypress Cove tells me that if you contact the State Land Office they will give you Preacher's project as an example and tell you to contact his engineer for advice on getting thru the permitting process.
His project has been anonymously reported numerous times for various violations and after investigations by the various agencies, Cypress Cove has NOT been found to be in any violations of ANY regulations.
I know for fact that the most recent cease & desist orders were not a part of "selectively enforcing" the law. It was done because a private citizen called the Corps and when the Corps came to the Langlois/Moreau site they rode a little further down the river and found other projects which they consequently shut down. I don't know whether or not they made the rounds of the entire river. If there are other projects such as these going on, they should be shut down also. From what I hear, the Corps got the attention of the contractors - maybe they'll spread the word that what is going on isn't legal and that there are serious consequences for these violations.

If this practice keeps up, there will soon just be a narrow channel down the middle of the river. Unless, of course, the state does step in and start charging leases on this "land grab."
New to Area

Livingston, LA

#89 May 21, 2008
Granted it's one of the largest reclamations ever done on False River but look around, there are two about the same linear footage on the river near the pecan plant among others and hundreds more in the 100' range. All required by law to have the same exact permits. It just hasn't been enforced until now.

As to the engineer, the Dr. that bought Bonaventure's called the State Lands Office and they told him to contact the engineer as he knows the process. The engineer told the Dr. that he would tell him what he knew about it but in no way would he ever go thru the permitting for anyone ever again.

You are correct about it's the only one they have. It's the only one that was ever done legally.

Not that it matters in the least, I'm a retired engineer that bought a lot. I now know the Developer 'Preacher', I bought a lot from him. And I've also come to know his engineer. We speak regularly and I ask a lot of questions of them about their project.
not new to the area

Baton Rouge, LA

#90 May 22, 2008
New to Area wrote:
Granted it's one of the largest reclamations ever done on False River but look around, there are two about the same linear footage on the river near the pecan plant among others and hundreds more in the 100' range. All required by law to have the same exact permits. It just hasn't been enforced until now.
As to the engineer, the Dr. that bought Bonaventure's called the State Lands Office and they told him to contact the engineer as he knows the process. The engineer told the Dr. that he would tell him what he knew about it but in no way would he ever go thru the permitting for anyone ever again.
You are correct about it's the only one they have. It's the only one that was ever done legally.
Not that it matters in the least, I'm a retired engineer that bought a lot. I now know the Developer 'Preacher', I bought a lot from him. And I've also come to know his engineer. We speak regularly and I ask a lot of questions of them about their project.
you need to change your name you are definately not new to the area.
Sour Grapes

Pompano Beach, FL

#91 May 22, 2008
Permit wrote:
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The only reason why they give that one as example is because it's the only one that has ever be done on False River. It's the only one they have. Sounds like you are putting a plug in for that engineer. May you are him or maybe you are PREACHER.
Man, you make being legal sound so sinister. Maybe you are one of Mike's crew.
LUMPER

Hammond, LA

#92 May 23, 2008
HEY JARREAU89 WAS IT YOU WHO TURNED IN MORROW(SIC)
to the state land office
Jarreau89

Ponchatoula, LA

#93 May 23, 2008
LUMPER wrote:
HEY JARREAU89 WAS IT YOU WHO TURNED IN MORROW(SIC)
to the state land office
No. Why would you think it was me?
Candlelite queen

Covington, LA

#94 May 23, 2008
Permit wrote:
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The only reason why they give that one as example is because it's the only one that has ever be done on False River. It's the only one they have. Sounds like you are putting a plug in for that engineer. May you are him or maybe you are PREACHER.
Can't be preacher, the spelling and grammer isn't anywhere near poor enough.
New to Area

Livingston, LA

#95 May 26, 2008
Candlelite queen wrote:
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Can't be preacher, the spelling and grammer isn't anywhere near poor enough.
LOL !!!! His bank account had to be in the seven figure range to start the project and I'll bet it will be into the eight figure range when he's done. Just goes to show you can't always judge a book by it's cover. He'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
Ellender

Covington, LA

#96 May 26, 2008
Candlelite queen wrote:
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Can't be preacher, the spelling and grammer isn't anywhere near poor enough.
Ahem, its "grammar" <Ellender ducks and runs>
Candlelite queen

Covington, LA

#97 May 27, 2008
New to Area wrote:
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LOL !!!! His bank account had to be in the seven figure range to start the project and I'll bet it will be into the eight figure range when he's done. Just goes to show you can't always judge a book by it's cover. He'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
Just because you have money doesn't mean your one of the best and the brightest. Just look at Brittney Spears.
Candlelite queen

Covington, LA

#98 May 27, 2008
Ellender wrote:
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Ahem, its "grammar" <Ellender ducks and runs>
Excuse me, but will you point out to me exactly where I claimed to be a great speller. I was simply pointing out the fact that the man is not exactly Rhodes Scholarship material.
LUMPER

Metairie, LA

#99 May 28, 2008
Candlelite queen wrote:
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Excuse me, but will you point out to me exactly where I claimed to be a great speller. I was simply pointing out the fact that the man is not exactly Rhodes Scholarship material.
AND WHERE DID HE SAY HE WAS, IS IT EVEN HIM YOU ARE [email protected]#$%^&**( NUTS

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Since: Sep 07

New Roads, now Lafayette

#100 May 28, 2008
Islandude wrote:
Hey New....Jim will make a mint on the dredging because a: He has the only true dredgeboat on the river (unless he sold if recently) and b: Jim Major will make a mint on anything he does...the guy has the touch.
As far as jailbirds picking up trash...just give a few to ole' Andy Chustz in a van and let'em roll....Andy was the best overseer I've ever seen
i like jim...hes a cool cat...he knows my family well...
Ellender

Covington, LA

#101 May 28, 2008
Candlelite queen wrote:
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Excuse me, but will you point out to me exactly where I claimed to be a great speller. I was simply pointing out the fact that the man is not exactly Rhodes Scholarship material.
My point is, don't throw stones in glass houses...

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