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Curious

Livonia, LA

#1 May 14, 2009
Just want to know if you think the leap test is fair to our kids. Private schools don't take them but that is beside the point. I think a child that goes to school all year an a honor roll student fails the leap test they have to repeat the grade. Now I know some of you think if they make honor roll they should be able to pass the test ,but with the teachers now a days they just may not be teaching them well enough to pass the test. What your thoughts?
rain out

Livonia, LA

#2 May 14, 2009
Curious wrote:
Just want to know if you think the leap test is fair to our kids. Private schools don't take them but that is beside the point. I think a child that goes to school all year an a honor roll student fails the leap test they have to repeat the grade. Now I know some of you think if they make honor roll they should be able to pass the test ,but with the teachers now a days they just may not be teaching them well enough to pass the test. What your thoughts?
I think the leap tests are totally unfair..how can one test determine what a child has done all year...what if they are just having a bad day or don't feel well...we can't determine when we feel good or don't...also why is it not mandatory for all children...I feel it is a form of discrimination...Not all of us can afford to send our children to private school.
Curious

Livonia, LA

#3 May 14, 2009
rain out wrote:
<quoted text>I think the leap tests are totally unfair..how can one test determine what a child has done all year...what if they are just having a bad day or don't feel well...we can't determine when we feel good or don't...also why is it not mandatory for all children...I feel it is a form of discrimination...Not all of us can afford to send our children to private school.
Thank you so much I totally agree with you

“La Grimasse!!”

Since: Mar 07

Ventress

#4 May 14, 2009
The question should be:

If a kid can't pass a simple standardized test, do they deserve to move onto the next level?

Those things are quite easy

“Simon Cowell of YOUR reality!!”

Since: Sep 07

New Roads, now Lafayette

#5 May 14, 2009
I THINK THAT THE REASON ONLY PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAVE TO TAKE THE TEST IS CAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE ALOT OF TRUST IN THE STUDENTS AND TEACHERS THERE AS THEY DO IN THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS. THAT IS THEIR WAY OF MAKING SURE THEY ARE LEARNING WHAT THEY ARE SPOSED TO. IS IT UNFAIR? THE TEST IS NOT BUT THE FACT THAT THEY ONLY TEST PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS
Curious

Livonia, LA

#6 May 14, 2009
Islandude wrote:
The question should be:
If a kid can't pass a simple standardized test, do they deserve to move onto the next level?
Those things are quite easy
Know what school you went to and how old you r you didn't even take a leap test Don't come back and say I don't know cause I can prove it

“It Is What It Is”

Since: Dec 07

New Roads

#7 May 15, 2009
My education was from FRA unitl I was a Sophmore in High School and I asked my parents to send me to the New School which was Pointe Coupee Central. I started there the year in 92 when it opened. A year into the school and I knew that I was not up to par with my classmates. I had to take on extra work to catch up and learn what they had been taught years prior. When I graduated in 94 I was NO where near ready for the Leap Exit Exam. I remember being scared fearing failure and all of it was due to ONE TEST! I firmly believe it is unfair that a students entire education, knowledge, worthiness comes down to one test.(I did pass however)

Another note that I want to add is that special needs students are required to take the same test in the same manner as others. How is this fair?
honey

Baton Rouge, LA

#8 May 15, 2009
i am not incredibly satisfied with the whole standardized test requirements, because i too agree that it is unfair to base all education ability on one test. some children do not test well and learn better with different types of learning types.

however, as a teacher, i will play devil's advocate and say that i know that the special needs children DO NOT take the test in the same manner as others. they do take the same test, but all of their accomodations are met completely and strictly. they have the same accomodations that they recieve all year long, which are ordered by their individualized plans.

“It Is What It Is”

Since: Dec 07

New Roads

#9 May 15, 2009
I am the mother of a special needs son and yes they do accomodate to a certain extent, all the pressure is still there, i want my son to have an education and learn academics, i however do not add the at home pressure of enforcing the "importance" of this test on him. It does not make him as a student as a human and wont make or break how proud of him for getting up and going to school everyday. Its hard enough with the competition of peers without the added stress of a test. I also have other children and I just tell them to do thier best. The people that enforce these test on our children today are ones who never had to face it.
small town

Livonia, LA

#10 May 15, 2009
New Rodian wrote:
I am the mother of a special needs son and yes they do accomodate to a certain extent, all the pressure is still there, i want my son to have an education and learn academics, i however do not add the at home pressure of enforcing the "importance" of this test on him. It does not make him as a student as a human and wont make or break how proud of him for getting up and going to school everyday. Its hard enough with the competition of peers without the added stress of a test. I also have other children and I just tell them to do thier best. The people that enforce these test on our children today are ones who never had to face it.
I also have a special needs child that does get some help for the test, however, he is doing well in his other classes but has trouble with reading comprehension and this test put so much pressure on him knowing that he did well in his other classes (which I am extremely proud of) and this test could make him fail for the year. These kids have enough problems from other children that know they are special needs kids they don't need a test to do it also....What's really sad is that he worked all year to keep his grades up so that he could pass and this test could hold him back....IT IS NOT FAIR not only to special needs children but to all children....I'd like to have some of the teachers take this test to see how well they would do....Would they lose their jobs if the don't pass??????
Huh

Baton Rouge, LA

#11 May 15, 2009
Curious wrote:
but with the teachers now a days they just may not be teaching them well enough to pass the test. What your thoughts?
That is why standerdized testing is in place, to ensure that the kids are being taught what they should be. Private schools don't do it b/c as long as the child is passing and getting good grades then the parents keep paying tuition. They don't want anyone to get a failing grade and leave the school. I would much rather my child be tested and know how they compare to the rest of the state and country than blindly trust that they are learning what they should.
Busy

Livonia, LA

#12 May 15, 2009
Huh wrote:
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That is why standerdized testing is in place, to ensure that the kids are being taught what they should be. Private schools don't do it b/c as long as the child is passing and getting good grades then the parents keep paying tuition. They don't want anyone to get a failing grade and leave the school. I would much rather my child be tested and know how they compare to the rest of the state and country than blindly trust that they are learning what they should.
AMEN
rain out

Livonia, LA

#13 May 15, 2009
agree with small town....need to check the teachers
Minsky

United States

#14 May 15, 2009
If they make the honor roll all year long then fail the leap, you need to suspect grade inflation. Standardized tests are excellent instruments for diagnosing weaknesses and measuring achievement.
Minsky

United States

#15 May 15, 2009
Graduates from Catholic do not recieve a diploma from the state of LA, but one from the "diocese."
Minsky

United States

#16 May 15, 2009
Children with disabilities are accomodated for testing. The tests are fair and unbiased. Public schools must give them because they receive federal and state monies and are accountable. Don't go blaming teachers if your child fails or does poorly. That seriously pisses me off. It could be that your child simply isn't the sharpest hoe in the shed, a fact that is difficult for some parents to admit.
Misty

Livonia, LA

#17 May 15, 2009
Minsky wrote:
Children with disabilities are accomodated for testing. The tests are fair and unbiased. Public schools must give them because they receive federal and state monies and are accountable. Don't go blaming teachers if your child fails or does poorly. That seriously pisses me off. It could be that your child simply isn't the sharpest hoe in the shed, a fact that is difficult for some parents to admit.
You must think you are the sharpest tool in the shed. If you read this forum carefully in the past they had nothing on here but people talking about teachers and their ability to teach. You ust not have anybody that has to pass a leap test. It is very hard for some kids because they know that their whole school year depends on this test and they may have a hard time passing it. Its called pressure
small town

Livonia, LA

#18 May 15, 2009
Minsky wrote:
Children with disabilities are accomodated for testing. The tests are fair and unbiased. Public schools must give them because they receive federal and state monies and are accountable. Don't go blaming teachers if your child fails or does poorly. That seriously pisses me off. It could be that your child simply isn't the sharpest hoe in the shed, a fact that is difficult for some parents to admit.
last time I check having a disability means that they are having trouble in school and yes we do understand that our children are not the sharpest tool in the shed as you say....who are you to make that comment about my child...just to let you know...children with disabilities have a very difficult time dealing with, not only school work, but many other things and until you have to go through that situation you are unable to comment on it....this test is very unfair as I stated before not only for a student like my child or a student that has no trouble with school.....I'm sure you are on point every day and feel good every day and never get sick but some of us in the real world do...I'm sorry for going on and on but you have pissed me off...

“La Grimasse!!”

Since: Mar 07

Ventress

#19 May 15, 2009
Curious wrote:
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Know what school you went to and how old you r you didn't even take a leap test Don't come back and say I don't know cause I can prove it
ok, spill the info....

what skool did I attend?

How old am I?

I'll give you this one...I didn't take the LEAP but I did take the ASVAB, the ACT and numerous other standardized tests....all easy

“La Grimasse!!”

Since: Mar 07

Ventress

#20 May 15, 2009
Huh wrote:
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That is why standerdized testing is in place, to ensure that the kids are being taught what they should be. Private schools don't do it b/c as long as the child is passing and getting good grades then the parents keep paying tuition. They don't want anyone to get a failing grade and leave the school. I would much rather my child be tested and know how they compare to the rest of the state and country than blindly trust that they are learning what they should.
FRA students take standardized tests...its just that if they don't do well on it they can still pass to the next grade...mine do very well so I don't worry...

Don't drag the tuition angle into this debate, with the standards that this public school has (verifyable by the new PCC state school), I work extra to pay the tuition.

They are only in school once, I take no chances, there are no do-overs with their education.

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