Global warming is swamping us: Bob Marshall

Jan 13, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Times-Picayune

WARNING: This column contains science. It might considered inappropriate or offensive by certain members of our congressional delegation and others who call themselves conservative.

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Warning is unnecessry because deniers are of one mind to repeat 'thony's trash.

However, it is a dire report. No one was/is laughing.
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No one should be laughing, that entire area is subject to high rates of subsidence. If the land bridge needs reinforcing, reinforce it.
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......that entire area is subject to high rates of subsidence.
'fun farts' is good at repeating observations that are made in articles. Of course, he never acknowledges the AGW aspects because he has no science or mathematics degrees.
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People don't need propaganda to justify self-preservation. One needs only to consider the wisdom of maintaining unnatural, reactionary human insistence of thinking building human environments BELOW SEA LEVEL ever makes long-term sense. You gotta hand to the perseverance of science designed to maintain such illusory dreams... they did have the wisdom to bury their dead on stilts.
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You gotta hand to the perseverance of science designed to maintain such illusory dreams....
Another toxic topix AGW denier with no science or mathematics degrees. Probably disassociated itself from science & mathematics with a hi skule deegreee, without upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc.
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litesong wrote:
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Another toxic topix AGW denier with no science or mathematics degrees. Probably disassociated itself from science & mathematics with a hi skule deegreee, without upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc.
"Perhaps the surprisingly-high correlation coefficient is a fabrication."
http://xoxol.org/method/corr/corr.html

Nobody Can Cross arguments
"Good men need no recommendation, and bad men it wouldn't help."
Ibid.
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"Perhaps the surprisingly-high correlation coefficient is a fabrication."
A toxic topix AGW denier tries to win his position with 1st page science philosophy, because he didn't have the science & mathematics degrees to oppose the AGW science researchers who have 10-16 years more training in science & mathematics, than it.
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"2 o-wow' again answers with no science or mathematics.
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litesong wrote:
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"2 o-wow' again answers with no science or mathematics.
http://climatedepot.com/a/18723/New-Report-Ex...
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This is sn arguement for the bean counters. As much as people want to believe there is science against gw as well. It has been argied since at least the 90s and still there is nothing conclusive. What about sun spot activity which is supposed to be at it highest level and corresponds to tenperatures people are crying about.

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ClimateDepot? That right wing rag...
There are multiple variables impacting extreme weather events. Warming will increase energy in the system, so will likely be a cause -- either directly or indirectly. But statistically there is no high certainty that would prove this is already occurring. Most extreme events have a unique number of variables contributing to each one.
As NASA's Gavin Schmidt noted on RealClimate.org :
"Hurricanes intensity ... is not driven by temperature gradients. Nor are droughts. More generally, it underlies the point that all extremes are different and that attribution of changes in extremes needs to proceed on a case by case basis."
On the other hand, as he also notes, there is also no evidence that warming was not an indirect cause of the increased extreme events we have seen.
In summary:
We do know we have more extreme events -- everyone really forgotten the extreme drought we had out west last summer?
Oh, yeah Climate Depot has...
It's just we just can't definitely tie them statistically with a very high degree of confidence levels to the global warming we have already experienced.
yet we see reinsurance companies, like Munich Re, are very concerned about the impacts of global warming, and I don't think you can even buy hurricane insurance in some parts of Florida anymore
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http://climatedepot.com/a/1872 3/New-Report-Extreme-Weather-R eport-2012-Latest-peerreviewed -studies-data--analyses-underm ine-claims-that-current-weathe r-is-unprecedented-or-a-new-no rmal
Quoting websites funded by energy companies, don't win you science arguments.
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ClimateDepot? That right wing rag...
There are multiple variables impacting extreme weather events. Warming will increase energy in the system, so will likely be a cause -- either directly or indirectly. But statistically there is no high certainty that would prove this is already occurring. Most extreme events have a unique number of variables contributing to each one.
As NASA's Gavin Schmidt noted on RealClimate.org :
"Hurricanes intensity ... is not driven by temperature gradients. Nor are droughts. More generally, it underlies the point that all extremes are different and that attribution of changes in extremes needs to proceed on a case by case basis."
On the other hand, as he also notes, there is also no evidence that warming was not an indirect cause of the increased extreme events we have seen.
In summary:
We do know we have more extreme events -- everyone really forgotten the extreme drought we had out west last summer?
Oh, yeah Climate Depot has...
It's just we just can't definitely tie them statistically with a very high degree of confidence levels to the global warming we have already experienced.
yet we see reinsurance companies, like Munich Re, are very concerned about the impacts of global warming, and I don't think you can even buy hurricane insurance in some parts of Florida anymore
An insurance company is concerned with economic costs and all costs have gone up. Most don't take their climate info from an insurance co.

As to the drought in the west, it happened in the 1950s, the 1930s and the 1980s. Take a look at the temps of the 1950 thru 1956 time period.
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'fun farts' is good at repeating observations that are made in articles. Of course, he never acknowledges the AGW aspects because he has no science or mathematics degrees.
Have you ever lived in Louisiana? I have. When you die in the New Orleans area, they don't bury you. Too much water.

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litesong wrote:
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Quoting websites funded by energy companies, don't win you science arguments.
Not directly...

Climatedepot is written and put out by Marc Moreno (Senator James Inhofe's former communication director, former Rush Limbaugh producer, and professional paid lobbyist. Here are some details about Climatedepot from sourcewatch:

" ClimateDepot.com is being financed by the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, a nonprofit in Washington that advocates for free-market solutions to environmental issues. Public tax filings for 2003-7 (the last five years for which documents are available) show that the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the ExxonMobil Foundation and foundations associated with the billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife, a longtime financier of conservative causes, including being the primary source of money used to fund attacks against Bill Clinton during the Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky eras of his presidency [1]"
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...

About Marc Moreno:
"Marc Morano runs the climate website ClimateDepot.com for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, a conservative environmental think tank. Until spring of 2009, Morano served as communications director for the Republicans on the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. Morano commenced work with the committee under Senator James Inhofe, who was majority chairman of the committee until January 2007 and is now minority ranking member. In December 2006 Morano launched a blog on the committee's website that largely promotes the views of climate change skeptics.

Morano is a former journalist with Cybercast News Service (CNS), which is owned by the conservative Media Research Center. CNS and Morano were the first source in May 2004 of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claims against John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election [1] and in January 2006 of similar smears against Vietnam war veteran John Murtha.

Morano was "previously known as Rush Limbaugh's 'Man in Washington,' as reporter and producer for the Rush Limbaugh Television Show, as well as a former correspondent and producer for American Investigator, the nationally syndicated TV newsmagazine."[1]"
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...

So, not only is Marc Moreno not a climate scientist - he's actually the media savvy hit man who executed the Swift Boat character assassination campaign.

Moreno's work, particularly on Senator Inhofe's web site, is marked by quote mining hundreds of quotes, most from legitimate scientists, out of context (and without proper attribution) which make it appear that they oppose AGW theory. Many of these scientists have vocally complained about being quoted in this way.

http://www.grist.org/article/the-inhofe-400-s...
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/12/inhof...
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/12/more_...

Bottom line, Marc Moreno is a professional liar who specializes in spinning the media for a living. I would say this is the perfect picture of an unreliable source. And this is the first source you post.
See Climate Cover-Up: The Crusade to Deny Global Warming

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Have you ever lived in Louisiana? I have. When you die in the New Orleans area, they don't bury you. Too much water.
Er, have you paid attention to what's going on at the poles?

Here is the Arctic. And satellites are showing the ice is getting "mush" underneath too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

<<Sea levels will rise more dramatically than was predicted nearly four years ago by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a new study of arctic conditions concludes.

The Arctic ice study by the International Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program, titled Snow, Water, Ice and Permafrost in the Arctic (SWIPA), says that the feedback loops scientists have been warning about already are accelerating glacial melting in the Arctic, which accounted for 40% of sea-level rise chronicled annually from 2003 through 2008.

The executive summary of the report says:

The greatest increase in surface air temperature has happened in
autumn, in regions where sea ice has disappeared by the end of summer. This
suggests that the sea is absorbing more of the sun's energy during the summer
because of the loss of ice cover. The extra energy is being released as heat
in autumn, further warming the Arctic lower atmosphere. Over land, the
number of days with snow cover has changed mostly in spring. Early snow
melt is accelerated by earlier and stronger warming of land surfaces that
are no longer snow-covered.

These processes are termed "feedbacks." Snow feedbacks are well known. The sea-ice feedback
has been anticipated by climate scientists, but clear evidence for it
has only been observed in the Arctic in the past five years.

Sea levels are expected to rise by 35 to 63 inches by 2100, far more than the 2007 projection of 7 to 23 inches made by the IPCC, the report says. Temperatures from 2005 through 2010 have been the highest since records began in 1880, the study shows.

The melting will not only affect sea levels; it has the potential to alter sea currents that regulate climate, the report warns:

All the main sources of freshwater entering the Arctic Ocean are increasing -- river discharge, rain/snow, and melting glaciers, ice caps, and the Greenland Ice Sheet. Recent calculations estimate that an extra 7700 km3 of freshwater -- equivalent to one meter of water over the entire land surface of Australia -- has been added to the Arctic Ocean in recent years.
There is a risk that this could alter large-scale ocean currents that affect climate on a continental scale.>>

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/20...

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An insurance company is concerned with economic costs and all costs have gone up. Most don't take their climate info from an insurance co.
As to the drought in the west, it happened in the 1950s, the 1930s and the 1980s. Take a look at the temps of the 1950 thru 1956 time period.
No,

The summer drought came with record heat. The year 2012 is the hottest year ever recorded in the United States, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, whose records date to 1895. And July 2012 was the hottest month ever recorded, the agency said.

If you are going back to the Dust Bowl there were other causes to the drought than the heat, especially the poor agricultural practices that led to poor top soil that blew away when there were less rains.

It is the increased heat that is creating the droughts today, because the higher heat evaporates the moisture in the air, that must be replenished with rains. The hotter day temperatures also can led to the destruction of the plant, because flowering of the plant can happen during midday.

Here is the global temperature record from NASA going back to 1880.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Instru... (NASA).svg
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I dont have the time to sit down and quote the research but there are studies out there that say ok the world is warming but there are other reasons. The whole greenhouse gas argument can be tied to increases in volcanic activity so while there may be warming your electric car (which is far from green just to let yall know) is saving but a miniscule portion wjen related to the total while costing people money, business money for what?
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The summer drought came with record heat. The year 2012 is the hottest year ever recorded in the United States, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, whose records date to 1895. And July 2012 was the hottest month ever recorded, the agency said.
If you are going back to the Dust Bowl there were other causes to the drought than the heat, especially the poor agricultural practices that led to poor top soil that blew away when there were less rains.
It is the increased heat that is creating the droughts today, because the higher heat evaporates the moisture in the air, that must be replenished with rains. The hotter day temperatures also can led to the destruction of the plant, because flowering of the plant can happen during midday.
Here is the global temperature record from NASA going back to 1880.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Instru... (NASA).svg
No.

Look it up. The heat of the 1950s was just as hot as it was in 2012 in the areas that were impacted by the drought. Look up the 1980s. Wasn't around for the 1930s but the same heat and same drought impacted all four time periods.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/drought/drght_...

And in the 1960s, had three feet of standing water in the backyard in a 'suburb' of Asbury Park, NJ from a hurricane. Only in the backyard, not in the house because all the houses were built up on berms. It had flooded before from hurricanes and whoever built the place had decided that it could happen again, it did.

Nothing new happened this year. It had all happened before and will happen again.
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Er, have you paid attention to what's going on at the poles?
Here is the Arctic. And satellites are showing the ice is getting "mush" underneath too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
<<Sea levels will rise more dramatically than was predicted nearly four years ago by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a new study of arctic conditions concludes.
The Arctic ice study by the International Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program, titled Snow, Water, Ice and Permafrost in the Arctic (SWIPA), says that the feedback loops scientists have been warning about already are accelerating glacial melting in the Arctic, which accounted for 40% of sea-level rise chronicled annually from 2003 through 2008.
The executive summary of the report says:
The greatest increase in surface air temperature has happened in
autumn, in regions where sea ice has disappeared by the end of summer. This
suggests that the sea is absorbing more of the sun's energy during the summer
because of the loss of ice cover. The extra energy is being released as heat
in autumn, further warming the Arctic lower atmosphere. Over land, the
number of days with snow cover has changed mostly in spring. Early snow
melt is accelerated by earlier and stronger warming of land surfaces that
are no longer snow-covered.
These processes are termed "feedbacks." Snow feedbacks are well known. The sea-ice feedback
has been anticipated by climate scientists, but clear evidence for it
has only been observed in the Arctic in the past five years.
Sea levels are expected to rise by 35 to 63 inches by 2100, far more than the 2007 projection of 7 to 23 inches made by the IPCC, the report says. Temperatures from 2005 through 2010 have been the highest since records began in 1880, the study shows.
The melting will not only affect sea levels; it has the potential to alter sea currents that regulate climate, the report warns:
All the main sources of freshwater entering the Arctic Ocean are increasing -- river discharge, rain/snow, and melting glaciers, ice caps, and the Greenland Ice Sheet. Recent calculations estimate that an extra 7700 km3 of freshwater -- equivalent to one meter of water over the entire land surface of Australia -- has been added to the Arctic Ocean in recent years.
There is a risk that this could alter large-scale ocean currents that affect climate on a continental scale.>>
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/20...
Yep, I pay attention. Do some research on the arctic oscillation. It will help you to understand the dynamics of the arctic. And, surprisingly, the same arctic oscillation impacts the mass balance of Europe's glaciers.

http://mclean.ch/climate/Ice_cores.htm

This is interesting if you take some time and compare the arctic to the antarctic, you'll notice the temperatures change in antarctic data before the arctic data.

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