Immigration Matter: Mexican Strawberry Pickers Seek African American Help

New America Media, Commentary, Ted Quant , Posted: Feb 28, 2008 Editor's Note: Thirty men from Mexico who came to pick strawberries in Louisiana and found themselves in "slave-like" conditions ended up ...

[Uncle Ruckus]

Heck no. You are taking away jobs that poor white & blacks would do. Go back to your homeland and stay there.

Never ever help an illegal alien.

[Aztlan]

Uncle Ruckus wrote:

Heck no. You are taking away jobs that poor white & blacks would do. Go back to your homeland and stay there.
Never ever help an illegal alien.

Ahhhh...I see blame the working man not the person hiring them. Makes sense right?
Also enforce the fact that they are "migrants" and disregard the fact that they are humans and deserve what they get. And this whole time I was under the false impression that all humans have the right to be treated..well dare I say humanely?

[Uncle Ruckus]

There is no such thing as "Human Rights", so deal with it.

And believe me, as far as I'm concerned the people who hired illegal aliens need to find themselves in jail as well. Was just keeping it simple for the masses.

The 3rd worlds lack of population control should not be mine nor my country's problem. Let them eat dirt in their native lands.

[dirtywhiteboy]

since they had H2-A visas they weren't illegal aliens. the company that made them work in those conditions should be held accountable and the recruitor should also be investigated.

[Uncle Ruckus]

Bottom line:

Enforce & FUND the current laws

Problem solved.

[Aztlan]

Hate to tell you brah..but "your country" as you say does not sit on some imaginary force field unaffected by the happenings of the entire Earth. If you truly believe there are no such things as Human Rights then you do not have the right to decry such matters when and if yours are violated. Any person who has to go to such measures to find work does so for very valid reasons. Now again ask yourself..if work was available in their homeland don't you think they would have stayed?

[Aztlan]

dirtywhiteboy wrote:

since they had H2-A visas they weren't illegal aliens. the company that made them work in those conditions should be held accountable and the recruitor should also be investigated.

Good point..which goes to show you that good ol' Unkle is selective in his readings.

[Conscience Sister]

I personally don't have anything against immigrants although I have to say many jobs I use to see black men doing, Mexicans are now doing. They also help to lower the wages of those occupations. Why pay this man $15 an hour when you can pay a mexican $100 for the whole job. I seen this happen back in the days with home health aids also. I remember when home health aids got paid decent money but once many Carribeans started taking those jobs, the wages dropped to minimum wage. Not saying anything against anyone, just stating what i noticed.

[Aztlan is the Latino KKK]

I'm sorry, but I won't take anyone seriously who advocates the racist and exclusionary idea of Aztlan, a racist myth of a nation that would be for Latinos only, shutting everyone else out. Their motto is "Everything for the race. For those outside the race, nothing."

Racist.

[Indyeast]

Aztlan wrote:

Hate to tell you brah..but "your country" as you say does not sit on some imaginary force field unaffected by the happenings of the entire Earth. If you truly believe there are no such things as Human Rights then you do not have the right to decry such matters when and if yours are violated. Any person who has to go to such measures to find work does so for very valid reasons. Now again ask yourself..if work was available in their homeland don't you think they would have stayed?

No I don't think they would've stayed.
Why?
Because of your name.

How many here to NOT know what Aztlan means?

Here's a clue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[cudzuqueen]

Aztlan wrote:

Hate to tell you brah..but "your country" as you say does not sit on some imaginary force field unaffected by the happenings of the entire Earth. If you truly believe there are no such things as Human Rights then you do not have the right to decry such matters when and if yours are violated. Any person who has to go to such measures to find work does so for very valid reasons. Now again ask yourself..if work was available in their homeland don't you think they would have stayed?

Many of them HAD jobs...how do you think they come up with $6000.00 to pay their coyotes? They are coming more for the freebies than they jobs...their aim is not to come here for a job, but rather to come and work our entilement system. Check out their baby boom.

[cudzuqueen]

Conscience Sister wrote:

I personally don't have anything against immigrants although I have to say many jobs I use to see black men doing, Mexicans are now doing. They also help to lower the wages of those occupations. Why pay this man $15 an hour when you can pay a mexican $100 for the whole job. I seen this happen back in the days with home health aids also. I remember when home health aids got paid decent money but once many Carribeans started taking those jobs, the wages dropped to minimum wage. Not saying anything against anyone, just stating what i noticed.

They aren't immigrants if they aren't here legally...they are illegal intruders.

[Blackinjun]

Uncle Ruckus wrote:

Heck no. You are taking away jobs that poor white & blacks would do. Go back to your homeland and stay there.
Never ever help an illegal alien.

no one, and I mean no one is as anti-mexican as me. But that's because the mexican on the whole is anti African. I say this because of the history of the country, the treatment of blacks in mexico, the attitude towards black in the u.s. and others..

but I'm NOT anti-human..

[Indyeast]

Blackinjun wrote:

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no one, and I mean no one is as anti-mexican as me. But that's because the mexican on the whole is anti African. I say this because of the history of the country, the treatment of blacks in mexico, the attitude towards black in the u.s. and others..
but I'm NOT anti-human..

Well that was double speak.

[Aztlan]

Aztlan is the Latino KKK wrote:

I'm sorry, but I won't take anyone seriously who advocates the racist and exclusionary idea of Aztlan, a racist myth of a nation that would be for Latinos only, shutting everyone else out. Their motto is "Everything for the race. For those outside the race, nothing."
Racist.

Hahahaha..what a fool. Let me guess you watched Mel Gibsons Apocalypto and now your an expert on Mayan/Aztec/Mexica culture.
And FYI genius Aztlan is the tale of a particular place in the Americas as told by the Aztecs (Mexica)
"La Voz De Aztlan" is a radical group that I have no affiliation with nor do I share "all" the same viewpoints with..Get it? got it? good.
You know some of you really need to research things before you speak on them, otherwise you end up looking like homeboy I'm commenting on.
To add: Aztlan is part of my middle name, hence the usage in my handle.

[Blackinjun]

Indyeast wrote:

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Well that was double speak.

lol it just wasn't "white" speak..

what about it being the truth..

most things in this world are not so simple as white folks try to make it. That's one reason they invented the concept of "race" and always want black people or People Of Color to have a leader, it's easier that way to control.

But the truth is I have a problem with another group of People of Color buying into white supremacy.(that's why the statement I'm anti mexican)

However I understand white surpremacy and how it affects people who are poor and miseducated, so I can't really hold it against them..(that's my human statement)

Any questions?

[Aztlan]

Blackinjun wrote:

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no one, and I mean no one is as anti-mexican as me. But that's because the mexican on the whole is anti African. I say this because of the history of the country, the treatment of blacks in mexico, the attitude towards black in the u.s. and others..
but I'm NOT anti-human..

No offense Black-Injun..but how much do you really know about the history of Afro-Mexicans in Mexico? Much of the anti-sentiment and abuse came from the arriving Criollos of Spain, the natives themselves, which is currently most of Mexico viewed and revered black people, they saw and opposed slavery. In fact in a black man named Gaspar Yanga is held in such high regards that he is a national hero in Mexico. As such Mexico is by far less (as you say) "Anti-African". Your ideology stems from the media hyped attitudes you view here in the U.S. and by the Criollo controlled governments in Mexico.
Again are there Mexicans who despise black people? Yes...are their Blacks who despise Mexicans? Of course. All this really says though is that this is not a black or brown condition but a human one.
Believe as you wish, but look at the situation a little deeper. View the factual history.

[Blackinjun]

No offense Black-Injun..but how much do you really know about the history of Afro-Mexicans in Mexico?

None taken..I know that blacks have been in that area since 1200 B.C. or before. However you are speaking of the most recent arrivals, the ENSLAVED.
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Much of the anti-sentiment and abuse came from the arriving Criollos of Spain, the natives themselves, which is currently most of Mexico viewed and revered black people, they saw and opposed slavery. In fact in a black man named Gaspar Yanga is held in such high regards that he is a national hero in Mexico.

The black in Mexico is more complex than the negro in America. First Yanga is still a "slave"..do you have any black "heroes" that were, let's say, Great Political leaders?
The indios didn't mind the blacks because the mestizo was kickin both their azzes. Black racism maybe started with the criollos system, but it was continued with the mestizo with a vengence.
and I do know enough about mexican history to tell your ticky azz that slavery was outlawed because of the treatment of the indians, not the blacks but when texax wanted slavery, the mexican constitution had already outlawed it for the indios.
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As such Mexico is by far less (as you say) "Anti-African".

One of the main reasons mexico is not as "anti-African is because the Africans have been treated so poorly, they don't want to identify as African. Therefore no problem if they don't exist as a group. I was looking for an article by a Mexican that I read years ago about the attitude of Black and mestizo marriage in mexico. If I remember correctly, the governer had to leave town and move to Cuba because he married a black.
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Your ideology stems from the media hyped attitudes you view here in the U.S. and by the Criollo controlled governments in Mexico.

Don't blame that shty on the Criollos, that's like these white folk here blaming disavowing their past history. My ideology stems from a lot of reading and living in california for 18 years.
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[the_truth_be_tol d2006]

Aztlan wrote:

<quoted text>Ahhhh...I see blame the working man not the person hiring them. Makes sense right?
Also enforce the fact that they are "migrants" and disregard the fact that they are humans and deserve what they get. And this whole time I was under the false impression that all humans have the right to be treated..well dare I say humanely?

They can't be human in Mexico? They are criminals, nothing but. Pretending to make this a Human Rights issue is a dasterdly disception.

[Blackinjun]

the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:

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They can't be human in Mexico? They are criminals, nothing but. Pretending to make this a Human Rights issue is a dasterdly disception.

boy white foke love to throw that word "criminal" around..lol here a mexican steals a loaf of bread and you mofo steal a country..