guest

Jackson, MO

#312 Aug 28, 2012
nor wrote:
my understanding is they are offering the insurance same as the suits...so the out of pocket and deductible cant be too bad...
Define "Can't be too bad." In the past, N was self insured. They governed their own policies underwritten by an insurance company.
real man

Bloomfield, MO

#313 Aug 28, 2012
Yeah right wrote:
I know people that work out there that are far below the average man. Don't make it out that you have to be SUPERMAN to work out there. If they do strike and someone takes a SCAB job you have to look out for the chicken shit union workers wanting to damage your vehicle or poison your dog. I remember the strike in 89, idiots throwing rocks at the MEN who wanted to work. Like I say, chicken shit!
Real men dont scab!
Cant be too bad

Poplar Bluff, MO

#314 Aug 28, 2012
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Define "Can't be too bad." In the past, N was self insured. They governed their own policies underwritten by an insurance company.
That is the problem with a lot of workers here. "In the past" blah blah blah. This isn't the past. This is now, and things have changed mostly because of the current federal government. Quit living in the past, guys! Insurance is not the same as it used to be!
guest

Jackson, MO

#315 Aug 28, 2012
Cant be too bad wrote:
<quoted text>
That is the problem with a lot of workers here. "In the past" blah blah blah. This isn't the past. This is now, and things have changed mostly because of the current federal government. Quit living in the past, guys! Insurance is not the same as it used to be!
"Problem with alot of the workers here? "In the past?" Obviously you don't understand the concept that workers had better wages/benefits then, rather than now, and the cost of living was less. It's not just about insurance.
noranda

United States

#316 Aug 28, 2012
Noranda wife wrote:
My husband has worked there a couple years and I am so very grateful for how hard he works for our family so that we may have decent insurance. He got hired on never having been "union" so this is all new to us. We constantly receive Union literature telling us to vote for Obama (cuz historically Unions vote democratic) but the problem is not Noranda, and honestly not Anthem Blue Cross...it's all the government limitations/fines,etc. placed on the Insurance Industry so that it's nearly impossible to insure employees due to cost, etc. Why? So Obamacare can work its so-called magic. My husband said there was an $8000 deductible (he heard)...now I see that's actually for out of pocket expenses. I was freaking out til I saw that. PLEASE everyone ask your insured friends who work elsewhere what their benefits are...you'll see how good we have it. Of course this is just my opinion but I will vote for a President that doesn't promote socialized healthcare.
Yes!! People need to realize that the deductible and out of pocket max are two totally different things!!! Unless you have brain surgery 5 times in a year you are not likely to get close to an $8000 out of pocket max anyway as long as the insurance is still covering claims at 70 and 80 percent anyway. It wouldn't matter if that max were not there at all to most people because who seriously has those kinds of medical expenses?? Maybe the rare transplant patient. So even $8000 is generous. I was in the hospital for two weeks a while back and my part wasn't even $500.
guest

Jackson, MO

#317 Aug 28, 2012
Dear desperate Noranda housewives,

Although I'm not from the area and do not work there, I don't think that most of the union members would appreciate you publicly, giving the company, the green light.
Being a happily retired male, this just seemed to pop out.
Company Profits

O Fallon, MO

#318 Aug 28, 2012
for sure wrote:
Well i think union workers are way over paid anyways. Unions are whats hurts america.
Since 1980, private wages gave decreased from average 32,000 to 29,000 (based on adjusted inflation) while CEO profits have increased from 2M to 16M on average..(adjusted by inflation)..

Reagan began his assault on organize labor the very next year...

Think again... They're paid too little..
actually

Poplar Bluff, MO

#319 Aug 28, 2012
Company Profits wrote:
<quoted text>
Since 1980, private wages gave decreased from average 32,000 to 29,000 (based on adjusted inflation) while CEO profits have increased from 2M to 16M on average..(adjusted by inflation)..
Reagan began his assault on organize labor the very next year...
Think again... They're paid too little..
the unions took on Reagan and lost. The air traffic controllers went on strike which was and still is illegal. Reagan gave them the chance to come back to work or be fired.

The end
noranda alum

United States

#320 Aug 28, 2012
I heard the out of pocket max was being offered at 7000 per family. Its all rumors and no one knows except the men behind the curtain. Too many rumors and games.
truth is

United States

#321 Aug 28, 2012
noranda alum wrote:
I heard the out of pocket max was being offered at 7000 per family. Its all rumors and no one knows except the men behind the curtain. Too many rumors and games.
way to many rumors and way to many games! Most of the people on here don't know anything! They are also saying they are someone they are not! I for one am sick of the rumors and lies! I'm sick of getting my stomache in knots over someones made up drama! I have faith that the company will come through in the end.
As far as the person directing his comment to the wives well, this wife says her man as well as others are ready to strike! No green light given here! We are all for the union! All they really want is a fair and just contract and NO ONE really even knows what the company has even offered! So let's just chill out and see.
noranda alum

United States

#322 Aug 28, 2012
truth is wrote:
<quoted text>way to many rumors and way to many games! Most of the people on here don't know anything! They are also saying they are someone they are not! I for one am sick of the rumors and lies! I'm sick of getting my stomache in knots over someones made up drama! I have faith that the company will come through in the end.
As far as the person directing his comment to the wives well, this wife says her man as well as others are ready to strike! No green light given here! We are all for the union! All they really want is a fair and just contract and NO ONE really even knows what the company has even offered! So let's just chill out and see.
.

I totally agree and 2nd that!!!!
guest

Jackson, MO

#323 Aug 28, 2012
truth is wrote:
<quoted text>way to many rumors and way to many games! Most of the people on here don't know anything! They are also saying they are someone they are not! I for one am sick of the rumors and lies! I'm sick of getting my stomache in knots over someones made up drama! I have faith that the company will come through in the end.
As far as the person directing his comment to the wives well, this wife says her man as well as others are ready to strike! No green light given here! We are all for the union! All they really want is a fair and just contract and NO ONE really even knows what the company has even offered! So let's just chill out and see.
I was addressing the wives posting on here in favor of the company demands. They need to silence themselves at this point. Wife and I are both retired UAW. Take your stand and know others out there support you. You are not alone.
truth is

United States

#324 Aug 28, 2012
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
I was addressing the wives posting on here in favor of the company demands. They need to silence themselves at this point. Wife and I are both retired UAW. Take your stand and know others out there support you. You are not alone.
I hate to be the one to say it but I don't think the ones taking up for the company are who they say they are! They are probably old men dressed in their mommas fluffy pink robes! Every person I have spoken with are fed up and ready to strike! They are tired of being ran over more and more every contract. There comes a time and place that everyone must stand up for themselves no matter the outcome. We had lives before Noranda and we will have lives after the strike! We also need to see what is offered before we get to far ahead of ourselves. Maybe the Company has come through no one knows except for those that are negotiating!
Company Profits

O Fallon, MO

#325 Aug 28, 2012
actually wrote:
<quoted text>the unions took on Reagan and lost. The air traffic controllers went on strike which was and still is illegal. Reagan gave them the chance to come back to work or be fired.
The end
What's your point?

Sounds like the type of government overreach you and your right wing hatemongers bleed my ears dry crying about...

You still didn't address the CEO to Production pay gap.. And you can't

Just say it, there's a CEO balls deep in your asshole and you're asking "may I have another".
guest

Jackson, MO

#326 Aug 28, 2012
truth is wrote:
<quoted text>I hate to be the one to say it but I don't think the ones taking up for the company are who they say they are! They are probably old men dressed in their mommas fluffy pink robes! Every person I have spoken with are fed up and ready to strike! They are tired of being ran over more and more every contract. There comes a time and place that everyone must stand up for themselves no matter the outcome. We had lives before Noranda and we will have lives after the strike! We also need to see what is offered before we get to far ahead of ourselves. Maybe the Company has come through no one knows except for those that are negotiating!
One concern I have is ObamaCare. CAT, ATT, and other corporations exceeding 50 or more employees have already mentioned that it will be cheaper for them to pay the penalty tax per employee than to offer the group health plan. Once fully enforced in 2014, all corporations will have that option. Be on guard and remember this in the November election even if you're a yellow dog democrat.
guest

Jackson, MO

#327 Aug 28, 2012
Noranda wife wrote:
My husband has worked there a couple years and I am so very grateful for how hard he works for our family so that we may have decent insurance. He got hired on never having been "union" so this is all new to us. We constantly receive Union literature telling us to vote for Obama (cuz historically Unions vote democratic) but the problem is not Noranda, and honestly not Anthem Blue Cross...it's all the government limitations/fines,etc. placed on the Insurance Industry so that it's nearly impossible to insure employees due to cost, etc. Why? So Obamacare can work its so-called magic. My husband said there was an $8000 deductible (he heard)...now I see that's actually for out of pocket expenses. I was freaking out til I saw that. PLEASE everyone ask your insured friends who work elsewhere what their benefits are...you'll see how good we have it. Of course this is just my opinion but I will vote for a President that doesn't promote socialized healthcare.
Noranda is an extremely wealthy company owning several plants. You can do your own research. In the past, while still working, I overheard some employees say they were "forced" to join the union. My reply to them was "You knew this was a union plant from the onset. Why did you apply?"

Yes, the powers at the national level overall do support democrats. However, there is a misnomer flying around. That being, that union dues are used to support political parties. It is illegal to use union dues for that purpose. On the other hand, members can support PAC's should they choose. Likewise, they can opt out.
Long stroking

Jackson, MO

#329 Aug 28, 2012
So what the word I'm hearing Miranda's goin on strike
Long stroking

Jackson, MO

#330 Aug 28, 2012
Long stroking wrote:
So what the word I'm hearing Miranda's goin on strike
Noranda I'm sorry
what the

Sikeston, MO

#331 Aug 28, 2012
company is not trying to do anything, you must have been have some kind of dream while you were sleeping a hangover off at the hall, just hope the committee gets it together so we can vote soon
Huh

Memphis, TN

#333 Aug 28, 2012
noranda wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes!! People need to realize that the deductible and out of pocket max are two totally different things!!! Unless you have brain surgery 5 times in a year you are not likely to get close to an $8000 out of pocket max anyway as long as the insurance is still covering claims at 70 and 80 percent anyway. It wouldn't matter if that max were not there at all to most people because who seriously has those kinds of medical expenses?? Maybe the rare transplant patient. So even $8000 is generous. I was in the hospital for two weeks a while back and my part wasn't even $500.
What a dumb ass remark. Enough said

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