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Judge's legacy made in school-funding rulings | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 29 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Jul 5, 2010, titled Judge's legacy made in school-funding rulings | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

As he retires from the bench, Perry County Common Pleas Judge Linton D. Lewis Jr.

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Balls Deep

Columbus, OH

#1 Jul 5, 2010
And we've had an Illegal state government ever since...
Liddleguy

Columbus, OH

#2 Jul 5, 2010
Why can't the state judicial system force Ted to comply with their verdict? Maybe he hasn't had time to read it.
bucknuts

Portsmouth, OH

#3 Jul 5, 2010
This is the forum where everybody should be complaining, not in the forums about school districts wanting a levy. If you want change, start your complaining here and quit blaming it on the school systems that are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Taxing Teddy Strickland ran on the platform of changing the way we fund education and so far HE IS A LIAR, just like OBAMA!
tim

Pataskala, OH

#4 Jul 5, 2010
The ruling came down and was not acted upon by 2 Republican heads of this state- and they DID NOTHING-
bucknuts

Portsmouth, OH

#5 Jul 5, 2010
tim wrote:
The ruling came down and was not acted upon by 2 Republican heads of this state- and they DID NOTHING-
But they did not run saying that they would change it, taxing Teddy did:(
Really

Westerville, OH

#6 Jul 5, 2010
This guy is retiring? GOOD RIDDANCE! He truly was a man before his time - he should have waited and gone after a position with the current socialist administration where he is a better fit. Thanks for destroying everything that WAS good about Ohio schools with your activism. In the end, all you have accomplished is a bigger victim mentality, destroyed anything that was working, and further divided the people of the state pitting them against each other for survival. Nice job... NOT!
Im just sayin

Dallas, TX

#7 Jul 5, 2010
Goodbye Judge Lewis.You were a honest and fair person in a county full of corruption.
Topper

Columbus, OH

#8 Jul 5, 2010
Did Mr. DeRolph receive an adequate education????

Where is he now, and how did he get there???

..[graduated from O.S.U...very gainfully employed in upper level job]....

How in the world did he do it....not being "adequately educated"?????

Have the new buildings improved education in Ohio???,,including Perry County,,,

This judge bought new buildings for his county [Perry], and billed the State of Ohio.....

Educators think money is the answer for their shortcomings.....
Build new schools....Pay teachers more....Hire more administrators.....
not true

Marysville, OH

#9 Jul 5, 2010
tim wrote:
The ruling came down and was not acted upon by 2 Republican heads of this state- and they DID NOTHING-
Didn't the article mention all of the buildings that were constructed?- that was done under Taft. I've never seen the education unions give him an ounce of credit for improving facilities - total Dem lapdogs.
Old Timer

AOL

#10 Jul 5, 2010
Topper wrote:
Did Mr. DeRolph receive an adequate education????
Where is he now, and how did he get there???
..[graduated from O.S.U...very gainfully employed in upper level job]....
How in the world did he do it....not being "adequately educated"?????
Have the new buildings improved education in Ohio???,,including Perry County,,,
This judge bought new buildings for his county [Perry], and billed the State of Ohio.....
Educators think money is the answer for their shortcomings.....
Build new schools....Pay teachers more....Hire more administrators.....
Hopefully this response answers Topper and Liddleguy's concern. While the initial Perry County case ruled the funding system unconstitutional, and followed by three other rulings that concurred, the last ruling had the court remove themselves as a potential solution. They said that while the system WAS broken, the legislature had the responsibility of correcting the problem. As for Governor Ted, he can PROPOSE, but the legislature must DISPOSE. He can say anything he wants, but at the end of the day, the legislature decides what solution, if any, will take place. Politics is kind of sneaky, and since our justices run on political party affiliation, up to the last ruling, the D's held a majority, but refused to become "activist" as a court. The current court has all R's, except one, so they removed themselves in their ruling to prevent any "activist" role. This can be seen as being proper or as running away from their responsibility, depending on how you review the role of courts and what "justice" is.

As for Nathan DeRolph, he DID succeed, but may be the exception rather than the rule, as to how well our southeastern Ohio students "turn out". While physical surroundings are nice and establish a frame of mind, the most important thing is the instruction and level of learning attained by students. The latter is most important, but the "bricks and morter" are the most visible and politically expedient, especially if tobacco companies pay the cost of construction.

Note my continued refernece to political expediency. Nothing has really changed, and the education of our youth has still kept a political tone. We see nothing about the way to improve the system for all, and issues center on vouchers and measurement of student performance. We now have data galore to measure our success and shortcomings, and should use it to make the system better. Some of the results are shocking, some results are outstanding. The only thing getting in the way of improvement is "politics", i.e D vs. R, union vs. administration, and individual "choice" vs. community needs.

The reality is the next four years will be "he%%", because of the continued economic downturn, along with legislated revenue reductions, and the two years needed to have tax collections and distributions catch up to any recovery, which will be slow.

Right now we are like two swimmers in peril. Instead of using the inner tube to save each other, we are in a "death grip", trying to drown the other guy so we can have the tube to ourself. In the meantime, we both drown...
Jackson

United States

#11 Jul 5, 2010
Liddleguy wrote:
Why can't the state judicial system force Ted to comply with their verdict? Maybe he hasn't had time to read it.
Ted was aware of the verdict at the time it was made. HOWEVER, the Republican governors we've had since the verdict chose to do nothing -- except build new buildings that do very little with education standards and have a lot to do with higher property taxes in the school districts.

Voinovich's chauffeur, Randy Fisher, even ran the Ohio School Facilities Commission -- INTO THE GROUND -- and was removed. Taft did nothing but leave the state in debt while spending the Rainy Day Fund -- now Ted has to try to cope with the spoils left by their squandering of state funds.
Jackson

United States

#12 Jul 5, 2010
bucknuts wrote:
This is the forum where everybody should be complaining, not in the forums about school districts wanting a levy. If you want change, start your complaining here and quit blaming it on the school systems that are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Taxing Teddy Strickland ran on the platform of changing the way we fund education and so far HE IS A LIAR, just like OBAMA!
Where were you when Voinovich and Taft were ruining our state? A day late and a lot of dollars short -- must be Republican!
Jackson

United States

#13 Jul 5, 2010
Topper wrote:
Did Mr. DeRolph receive an adequate education????
Where is he now, and how did he get there???
..[graduated from O.S.U...very gainfully employed in upper level job]....
How in the world did he do it....not being "adequately educated"?????
Have the new buildings improved education in Ohio???,,including Perry County,,,
This judge bought new buildings for his county [Perry], and billed the State of Ohio.....
Educators think money is the answer for their shortcomings.....
Build new schools....Pay teachers more....Hire more administrators.....
English was NOT your major, was it? Shame on OSU for not educating you properly!
Mike

Independence, OH

#15 Jul 5, 2010
Maybe if blacks stayed in the classroom instead of running around with their pants pulled down to their knees playing shoot'em-up, bang, bang they'd do better on their tests. Ever think of that?
Kurt

Newell, PA

#16 Jul 5, 2010
We really need to start taking a look at and holding accountable the 25% or school supers that our double dipping the state and spending our tax dollars like drunken sailors on shore leave,That would be a start!
hortense

Dublin, OH

#17 Jul 5, 2010
If redistribution of wealth is appropriate in the State then it should work among the States. (As the Federal gobblemint operates) Richer States should have to tax themselves and send the money to poorer States. All of us should be EQUAL. Ohioans need to pony up and send money to Arkansas, the State of Billy Clinton. BTW, Billy Boy was from a crummy State with crummy schools and had a floozy mama and just look how high he climbed. It's an American success story, ain't it.
Coben

Newark, OH

#18 Jul 5, 2010
Often those who say money doesn't matter are those who have it and benefit from it. Money is an important part of education. It can be difficult to learn in an environment where children are in excessively hot or cold buildings with leaking roofs and plaster falling off walls and such. You might never see that in suburban Columbus, but that has existed in buildings in poverty-stricken areas of the state. Money enables schools to buy updated textbooks, science lab equipment, library materials,and modern technology. Money allows schools to offers more advanced classes and keep class sizes to a reasonable amount. Millage in suburban Franklin County brings in much more than in Perry County. However, children in the poorer districts are evaluated on state-mandated tests the same as those from wealthy districts and must compete with these same students for scholarships, college admissions, and jobs. Judge Lewis's decision enforced Ohio's Constitution and was upheld by the Ohio Supreme Court. It was the correct decision. Unfortunately, past governors and General Assemblies ignored much of the ruling, and when push came to shove, the Supreme Court eventually caved in. If Strickland had been governor instead of Voinovich or Taft, we might have a better system of funding schools now.
Really

Westerville, OH

#19 Jul 5, 2010
Jackson wrote:
<quoted text>
Where were you when Voinovich and Taft were ruining our state? A day late and a lot of dollars short -- must be Republican!
It is so tiring to hear these pathetic schmucks who can't see anything other than what political party someone is affiliated with, and further, who can't grasp the concept that just because someone is an R or a D doesn't necessarily mean squat.

Only when people learn to look past things like union labels, political labels, poor me labels, etc. and recognize whether or not there truly is a problem will they then be able to work together to solve a legitmate problem when it comes up.

As long as we have the entitlement mentality, the union mentality, the political rhetoric, etc., driving all of this, nobody will come out ahead in the end except for the bad guys.

If you truly believe that because someone was a Republican governor, or now is a democrat governor, makes a hill of beans worth of difference in the big picture, you are sadly uninformed about the whole problem.
Joe

Columbus, OH

#20 Jul 5, 2010
Whether something is unconstitutional or not seems to be irrelevent to our politicians. All that seems to matter to them is the personal agenda at hand.

Since: Jun 10

Dayton, OH

#21 Jul 5, 2010
Nice to see that he crossed party lines to declare the obvious: the GOP has been starving schools for years. Too bad that neither he nor the GOP-majority ever had the cahonies to put some force behind the rulings, such as holding the "Education Governor" Georgie or Bob "I Was Born On Third Base and I Think I Hit A Triple Until I Gave Noe All The Dough-ie" Taft or the GOP capi de capi in the legislature in contempt of court. Too bad the voters will punish the Dems for failing to clean up 16 years of GOP misrule in about 18 months.

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