Where Was Barry?

[AWOL]

Yesterday was the 20th anniversary of the collapse of the Berlin Wall. The event in 1989 was engineered by Ronald Reagan, PM Thatcher, Pope JPII, and Lech Walesa.

Thus on the celebration of this seminal event in 20th Century, where was the President of the United States? This, of course, is the guy who could drop everything and jet to Europe to beg for the Olympics to be brought to his corrupt home city of Chicago.

Instead, he has a video displayed in Berlin and at the end of this little film he mentions..........himself. Not his fellow American Reagan but himself.

The pathetic little ego has no bounds.

[concerned]

AWOL wrote:

Yesterday was the 20th anniversary of the collapse of the Berlin Wall. The event in 1989 was engineered by Ronald Reagan, PM Thatcher, Pope JPII, and Lech Walesa.
Thus on the celebration of this seminal event in 20th Century, where was the President of the United States? This, of course, is the guy who could drop everything and jet to Europe to beg for the Olympics to be brought to his corrupt home city of Chicago.
Instead, he has a video displayed in Berlin and at the end of this little film he mentions..........himself. Not his fellow American Reagan but himself.

The pathetic little ego has no bounds.

Get real and honest (by the way.) If "Barry" would have showed up the republicans would bi___ about the fact that he did! This guy just cannot win with you people.

Note: existing homes up in IL. Economists say the recession is over, Dow up. Job loss around 10 percent, but when REAGAN was president it was 11 percent! Sorry, but facts say it all. Turn off Faux news and watch ANY other channel and you won't be so dilusional.

[igottaguy]

concerned wrote:

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Get real and honest (by the way.) If "Barry" would have showed up the republicans would bi___ about the fact that he did! This guy just cannot win with you people.
Note: existing homes up in IL. Economists say the recession is over, Dow up. Job loss around 10 percent, but when REAGAN was president it was 11 percent! Sorry, but facts say it all. Turn off Faux news and watch ANY other channel and you won't be so dilusional.

Right, things are really looking up, uhhuh, is it just the media saying that or do you think people actually beleive that, I'll have to watch msnbc then I'll know for sure, uhhuh.

[Mom of two]

concerned wrote:

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Get real and honest (by the way.) If "Barry" would have showed up the republicans would bi___ about the fact that he did! This guy just cannot win with you people.
Note: existing homes up in IL. Economists say the recession is over, Dow up. Job loss around 10 percent, but when REAGAN was president it was 11 percent! Sorry, but facts say it all. Turn off Faux news and watch ANY other channel and you won't be so dilusional.

You must still be working and that is why you are dilusinal.
I'll give you facts, my husband has been layed off from commercial construction for close to one year, many trades people I know have not been working. If corporations are watching what they spend, they sure are not going to remodel or construct new buildings.

Many people have lost their homes, have exhausted every penny they have, can not pay their real estate taxs, etc...

Economists can claim that it is over, but until blue collar workers are back to work I think it's a lie. JMO.

[in bed with Pelosi]

Here's the deal:

Healthcare reform. Let's say you have a small to med. sized company. You have worked your butt off night and day for years to make it something. You have a staff of 10 people now and the payroll is $500,000. New rule: You MUST offer insurance to them or be fined.

what will happen: They will hire just enough to fall under the $500k radar = loss of job(s), and lack of growth. Also, the additional cost to the employer will be passed along in a higher cost for goods or services. Higher prices are inevitable.

All in all, it will kill the small to medium sized businesses of this country from which we get 80% of our employment.

The AIGs, Banks, etc. will all get bail outs from Barry, but the little guy? Good bye!!!

[Waiting]

Waiting to see how the right-wing nut-jobs on here are outraged at the President and First Lady's attendance at the memorial service at Fort Hood. I'm sure they'll find SOMETHING wrong it.

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[high]

in bed with Pelosi wrote:

Here's the deal:
Healthcare reform. Let's say you have a small to med. sized company. You have worked your butt off night and day for years to make it something. You have a staff of 10 people now and the payroll is $500,000. New rule: You MUST offer insurance to them or be fined.
what will happen: They will hire just enough to fall under the $500k radar = loss of job(s), and lack of growth. Also, the additional cost to the employer will be passed along in a higher cost for goods or services. Higher prices are inevitable.
All in all, it will kill the small to medium sized businesses of this country from which we get 80% of our employment.
The AIGs, Banks, etc. will all get bail outs from Barry, but the little guy? Good bye!!!

I don't believe that business with less that 10 employees will have to carry health insurance - they are exempt. Check your facts. My husband works for a very small company and that company will not have to offer him health insurance if the reform passes. Currently, we pay $600 per month for MAJOR MEDICAL ONLY and he has no pre-existing diseases, issues, etc. If he goes to the doctor for whatever - he pays in full out of his pocket. The current healhcare system sucks and I hope the healthcare reform passes with a public option, because we could use it NOW and in the future!!!!! By the way, me and the rest of the family are on our own policy at $1700 per month! We don' even use this insurance and it went from $1200-$1700 in ONE year! Also, they can DUMP us at any time if we come down with some horrible disease. Great system - this is a damn joke!

[Duke]

Thank you mom of two...no matter what an "experts" say we are not out of this for a long time. The dow being up does not help many. Existing homes does not help many. Employment is what matters. people being able to work at put food on there table and take care of their familys.

[high]

Not pointing fingers at anyone here-Just a thought. My husband and I purchased a home that we could afford on ONE salary - knowing that if he ever lost his job, both him and I would get a job (even if his new job paid less) and we would survive. Please know that his job does not pay six figures either! Also, we budgeted our money and stayed completely out of debt. How many people do you know that purchase houses and owe full tilt or cannot afford from day one? A husband and wife that have to work full time to keep the house they are in? These same people also seem to have lots of assets that they still owe on. These same people probably have over $20,000 in credit card debt. Does RESPONSIBLITY on each individual play a role in this? It seems there are alot of spoiled people out there who live on credit and don't think it will ever catch up with them. I hate to say this, but the economy is helping me tremendously. I get great deals on all the things I never purchased before and people understand if I told them I could not pay a bill this month! My utilities are lower than ever! Life is good for me and if my husband lost his job tomorrow, the worst that would happen is he will work at Home Depot and I will get a job at Burger King. Yes, we can make it on those salaries. We would have healthcare paid for as well! I don't want to sound like I know it all, but this is something to really think about. How many people can scale down on housing, credit card debt, luxury items, etc. and live a more reasonable lifestyle? I bet they would not worry in this economy as much as they do. Just food for thought.

[in bed with Pelosi]

high wrote:

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I don't believe that business with less that 10 employees will have to carry health insurance - they are exempt. Check your facts. My husband works for a very small company and that company will not have to offer him health insurance if the reform passes. Currently, we pay $600 per month for MAJOR MEDICAL ONLY and he has no pre-existing diseases, issues, etc. If he goes to the doctor for whatever - he pays in full out of his pocket. The current healhcare system sucks and I hope the healthcare reform passes with a public option, because we could use it NOW and in the future!!!!! By the way, me and the rest of the family are on our own policy at $1700 per month! We don' even use this insurance and it went from $1200-$1700 in ONE year! Also, they can DUMP us at any time if we come down with some horrible disease. Great system - this is a damn joke!

You misunderstood. Read the bill being voted on. I'll simplify: If a company has a payroll of $500k or more (head count is irrelevant, my choosing 10 was just an example), they must provide insurance. Many mid-sized companies could easily have 10 employees making anywhere from $20-$80k putting them in this category. The downside is, the burden of mandatory insurance will force many companies to either layoff employees, reduce wages or pass this added business cost onto the consumer of their service/product. Reduced salaries combined with higher costs is not a healthy mix.

I believe over 80% of the country is employed by small to medium sized companies. We could see even higher unemployment numbers.

[high]

in bed with Pelosi wrote:

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You misunderstood. Read the bill being voted on. I'll simplify: If a company has a payroll of $500k or more (head count is irrelevant, my choosing 10 was just an example), they must provide insurance. Many mid-sized companies could easily have 10 employees making anywhere from $20-$80k putting them in this category. The downside is, the burden of mandatory insurance will force many companies to either layoff employees, reduce wages or pass this added business cost onto the consumer of their service/product. Reduced salaries combined with higher costs is not a healthy mix.
I believe over 80% of the country is employed by small to medium sized companies. We could see even higher unemployment numbers.

Where did you get your information? I need the facts on this one.

[Easy]

high wrote:

Not pointing fingers at anyone here-Just a thought. My husband and I purchased a home that we could afford on ONE salary - knowing that if he ever lost his job, both him and I would get a job (even if his new job paid less) and we would survive. Please know that his job does not pay six figures either! Also, we budgeted our money and stayed completely out of debt. How many people do you know that purchase houses and owe full tilt or cannot afford from day one? A husband and wife that have to work full time to keep the house they are in? These same people also seem to have lots of assets that they still owe on. These same people probably have over $20,000 in credit card debt. Does RESPONSIBLITY on each individual play a role in this? It seems there are alot of spoiled people out there who live on credit and don't think it will ever catch up with them. I hate to say this, but the economy is helping me tremendously. I get great deals on all the things I never purchased before and people understand if I told them I could not pay a bill this month! My utilities are lower than ever! Life is good for me and if my husband lost his job tomorrow, the worst that would happen is he will work at Home Depot and I will get a job at Burger King. Yes, we can make it on those salaries. We would have healthcare paid for as well! I don't want to sound like I know it all, but this is something to really think about. How many people can scale down on housing, credit card debt, luxury items, etc. and live a more reasonable lifestyle? I bet they would not worry in this economy as much as they do. Just food for thought.

Hey "high':

Exactly what we did.

We have owned our house free (paid for on one salary) and clear for a decade, have little credit card debt, and have sent three children off to college. We are not 60 years old yet.

How'd we do it?

1) Didn't buy top of the line clothing or gadgets.

2) Clipped coupons and sopught out discounts.

3) Insisted our children grow up to live beneath our means.

4) Drove cars until they literally died. The '86 finally conked out last February.

5) Invested with an eye toward security, not high-risk ventures.

6) Enjoyed each other's company while not taking extravagant vacations.

It was really pretty easy to accomplish. Can't most people do it this way? If you're envious, tough s**t. You likely screwed up somewhere back up the line. Your problem.

[Appalled]

Easy wrote:

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Hey "high':
Exactly what we did.
We have owned our house free (paid for on one salary) and clear for a decade, have little credit card debt, and have sent three children off to college. We are not 60 years old yet.
How'd we do it?
1) Didn't buy top of the line clothing or gadgets.
2) Clipped coupons and sopught out discounts.
3) Insisted our children grow up to live beneath our means.
4) Drove cars until they literally died. The '86 finally conked out last February.
5) Invested with an eye toward security, not high-risk ventures.
6) Enjoyed each other's company while not taking extravagant vacations.
It was really pretty easy to accomplish. Can't most people do it this way? If you're envious, tough s**t. You likely screwed up somewhere back up the line. Your problem.

Somehow it sounded less egotistical when "High" said it.

[Appalled]

Easy wrote:

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Hey "high':
Exactly what we did.
We have owned our house free (paid for on one salary) and clear for a decade, have little credit card debt, and have sent three children off to college. We are not 60 years old yet.
How'd we do it?
1) Didn't buy top of the line clothing or gadgets.
2) Clipped coupons and sopught out discounts.
3) Insisted our children grow up to live beneath our means.
4) Drove cars until they literally died. The '86 finally conked out last February.
5) Invested with an eye toward security, not high-risk ventures.
6) Enjoyed each other's company while not taking extravagant vacations.
It was really pretty easy to accomplish. Can't most people do it this way? If you're envious, tough s**t. You likely screwed up somewhere back up the line. Your problem.

You didn't think I would let this one slide, did ya B.O.?

1) Didn't buy top of the line clothing or gadgets.

Observation: Apparently a plethora of computers was allowed though.

2) Clipped coupons and sopught out discounts.

Question: What is a sopught?

3) Insisted our children grow up to live beneath our means.

Thought: I have wondered if you were mean to your children too.

4) Drove cars until they literally died. The '86 finally conked out last February.

Guess: You only drove it that long because you hated to part with the Reagan bumper sticker.

5) Invested with an eye toward security, not high-risk ventures.

Query: Why was this necessary with that self proclaimed chubby taxpayer funded teacher's pension of yours.

6) Enjoyed each other's company while not taking extravagant vacations.

Request: I'd like to hear her side of the story.

[in bed with Pelosi]

to "high" just google "$500,000 payroll provision for health reform bill" and you'll get all kinds of information.

Owning a small business, I may not want to increase my payroll (i.e., create jobs) if it is going to cost me more in mandatory insurance premiums. Just don't like big government messing with a person's right to their own business plan.

Since when is it a company's obligation to provide insurance???? Do I have to provide car insurance too now? Really think about it...why isn't insurance another product that everyone must buy on their own? Maybe that competition would drive down cost.

[VOVOVOVOVOVOVO]

Appalled wrote:

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Somehow it sounded less egotistical when "High" said it.

Hey VO, you sound envious. Tough spit! You've got a holiday. Enjoy it without getting too worked up.
EVERYDAY is a holiday for me. Huh!

[More VOVOVOVOVOVOVO]

Appalled wrote:

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You didn't think I would let this one slide, did ya B.O.?
1) Didn't buy top of the line clothing or gadgets.
Observation: Apparently a plethora of computers was allowed though.
2) Clipped coupons and sought out discounts.
Question: What is a sought?
3) Insisted our children grow up to live beneath our means.
Thought: I have wondered if you were mean to your children too.
4) Drove cars until they literally died. The '86 finally conked out last February.
Guess: You only drove it that long because you hated to part with the Reagan bumper sticker.
5) Invested with an eye toward security, not high-risk ventures.
Query: Why was this necessary with that self proclaimed chubby taxpayer funded teacher's pension of yours.
6) Enjoyed each other's company while not taking extravagant vacations.
Request: I'd like to hear her side of the story.

You're getting pretty ugly too early on one of your holidays. In fact you're pretty ugly almost every day. I saw your mugshot on the school webpage. Yikes. Can't you hide that thing?

Walgreen's is having a sale on VS. Better get down there. EWWWWWWWW.

[high]

Easy wrote:

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Hey "high':
Exactly what we did.
We have owned our house free (paid for on one salary) and clear for a decade, have little credit card debt, and have sent three children off to college. We are not 60 years old yet.
How'd we do it?
1) Didn't buy top of the line clothing or gadgets.
2) Clipped coupons and sopught out discounts.
3) Insisted our children grow up to live beneath our means.
4) Drove cars until they literally died. The '86 finally conked out last February.
5) Invested with an eye toward security, not high-risk ventures.
6) Enjoyed each other's company while not taking extravagant vacations.
It was really pretty easy to accomplish. Can't most people do it this way? If you're envious, tough s**t. You likely screwed up somewhere back up the line. Your problem.

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What the hell are you talking about? You did the same thing as I did! We are BOTH doing the right thing! What is your problem? I as not talking about people like you and I. Learn how to read!

[Appalled]

More VOVOVOVOVOVOVO wrote:

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I saw your mugshot on the school webpage.

Nice try D!

Like the other guy said..........shooting fish in a barrell!

[Resident]

high wrote:

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I don't believe that business with less that 10 employees will have to carry health insurance - they are exempt. Check your facts. My husband works for a very small company and that company will not have to offer him health insurance if the reform passes. Currently, we pay $600 per month for MAJOR MEDICAL ONLY and he has no pre-existing diseases, issues, etc. If he goes to the doctor for whatever - he pays in full out of his pocket. The current healhcare system sucks and I hope the healthcare reform passes with a public option, because we could use it NOW and in the future!!!!! By the way, me and the rest of the family are on our own policy at $1700 per month! We don' even use this insurance and it went from $1200-$1700 in ONE year! Also, they can DUMP us at any time if we come down with some horrible disease. Great system - this is a damn joke!

$1700 for family coverage?

Look at it this way, can your husband take a $1700/mo pay reduction? If his small company has to offer Health Insurance, do you really think they have the money to pay for it? <lol "You" will get a salary reduction to cover the cost. There is no such thing as a free lunch... You should know that. Now, if the 36M they claim need Health Insurance and can't pay for it, then add the cost of covering 36M people and divide that by those like you who are paying for it. So figure your $1700/mo policy will go up to about $1900. How's that for your free lunch?