John Sanchez

Schaumburg, IL

#62 Oct 4, 2012
Evidence of voter fraud has been found, once again! And once again, it is the product of Republicans.

In this case, the notorious Nathan Sproul, of Sproul and Associates, has contracted with the Florida Republican Party for $1.3 million, to provide voter registration services through a shell company of his called Strategic Allied Consulting.

Of more than 300 voter registration forms turned in to Palm Beach County by this company, 106 were found to be suspicious, carrying changed addresses to Democratic registration forms entered in the same handwriting. Changing information in that way in Florida is a Class 3 felony, punishable by a $5,000 fine, five years in prison, or both for each offense.

Since that discovery, more fraudulent registration forms by Strategic Allied Consulting have turned up in ten other Florida counties, sparking a criminal investigation.

In years past, a company hired by the California Republican Party had been caught shredding Democratic voter registration forms in Sacramento County, California. Despite knowledge of this by the Republican National Committee, they instructed Sproul to form the Strategic Allied Consulting shell company and recommended to the Florida Republican Party that they be hired.

Now, evidence of voter fraud by Strategic Allied Consulting is surfacing in North Carolina, Virginia and Colorado. In Colorado, a young woman was caught on video admitting that she was asking people their voting preference before offering to register them because she intended to register only those voters who would vote for Mitt Romney.

It appears that all of the smoke and mirrors baloney about ACORN was simply to deflect attention from the real perpetrators of voter fraud, the Republican Party.

There, that little bit of truth should get this thread yanked from circulation, don't you think?
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#63 Oct 4, 2012
John Sanchez wrote:
Evidence of voter fraud has been found, once again! And once again, it is the product of Republicans.
In this case, the notorious Nathan Sproul, of Sproul and Associates, has contracted with the Florida Republican Party for $1.3 million, to provide voter registration services through a shell company of his called Strategic Allied Consulting.
Of more than 300 voter registration forms turned in to Palm Beach County by this company, 106 were found to be suspicious, carrying changed addresses to Democratic registration forms entered in the same handwriting. Changing information in that way in Florida is a Class 3 felony, punishable by a $5,000 fine, five years in prison, or both for each offense.
Since that discovery, more fraudulent registration forms by Strategic Allied Consulting have turned up in ten other Florida counties, sparking a criminal investigation.
In years past, a company hired by the California Republican Party had been caught shredding Democratic voter registration forms in Sacramento County, California. Despite knowledge of this by the Republican National Committee, they instructed Sproul to form the Strategic Allied Consulting shell company and recommended to the Florida Republican Party that they be hired.
Now, evidence of voter fraud by Strategic Allied Consulting is surfacing in North Carolina, Virginia and Colorado. In Colorado, a young woman was caught on video admitting that she was asking people their voting preference before offering to register them because she intended to register only those voters who would vote for Mitt Romney.
It appears that all of the smoke and mirrors baloney about ACORN was simply to deflect attention from the real perpetrators of voter fraud, the Republican Party.
There, that little bit of truth should get this thread yanked from circulation, don't you think?
So glad to see you on board with this. It has been very difficult to get some of these people to even admit that fraud exists. Now, with your contribution, maybe they will come to understand the importance of protecting the integrity of the system.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#64 Oct 4, 2012
Mr. Sanchez brings up a very important point. Cheaters exist on both sides of party lines. Why on earth would honest Dems not be just as outraged as honest Republicans?
John Sanchez

Schaumburg, IL

#65 Oct 4, 2012
Appalled wrote:
Mr. Sanchez brings up a very important point. Cheaters exist on both sides of party lines. Why on earth would honest Dems not be just as outraged as honest Republicans?
I suppose there is evidence of voter fraud that benefits both major political parties. But there is an important difference. That is that there are more examples of Republican voter fraud so far this year in Palm Beach County, Florida alone, than there are Democratic examples nationwide over the past ten years. That difference is both quantitative and qualitative.

The bit of blame both sides propaganda that attempts to draw equivalency between the Republicans offenses and those of the Democrats is what I have called the Devil's favorite lie, since, if it is accepted, it makes all of the other lies easier to swallow. But if that premise is rejected, a much more straightforward discussion can follow.

The truth is that a few scattered examples of voter fraud argue against a coordinated effort and do not affect the outcome of an election. However, voter fraud, repeatedly plied on an industrial scale by employees of the same company, indicates the likelihood of a conspiracy to commit fraud, if not an ongoing criminal enterprise, and if successful, can certainly affect the outcome of an election.
Neighbor

Wheaton, IL

#66 Oct 4, 2012
snicker...snicker.... Yea, what she said!
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#67 Oct 4, 2012
John Sanchez wrote:
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I suppose there is evidence of voter fraud that benefits both major political parties. But there is an important difference. That is that there are more examples of Republican voter fraud so far this year in Palm Beach County, Florida alone, than there are Democratic examples nationwide over the past ten years. That difference is both quantitative and qualitative.
The bit of blame both sides propaganda that attempts to draw equivalency between the Republicans offenses and those of the Democrats is what I have called the Devil's favorite lie, since, if it is accepted, it makes all of the other lies easier to swallow. But if that premise is rejected, a much more straightforward discussion can follow.
The truth is that a few scattered examples of voter fraud argue against a coordinated effort and do not affect the outcome of an election. However, voter fraud, repeatedly plied on an industrial scale by employees of the same company, indicates the likelihood of a conspiracy to commit fraud, if not an ongoing criminal enterprise, and if successful, can certainly affect the outcome of an election.
To argue that the Republicans are much more "coordinated" in their efforts which makes them more culpable is just plain silly. Wrong is wrong.

Nice try.
John Sanchez

Schaumburg, IL

#68 Oct 4, 2012
Appalled wrote:
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To argue that the Republicans are much more "coordinated" in their efforts which makes them more culpable is just plain silly. Wrong is wrong.
Nice try.
No one said that either was right, but there is a huge difference in degree that cannot be glossed over with the equivalence ploy.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#69 Oct 4, 2012
John Sanchez wrote:
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No one said that either was right, but there is a huge difference in degree that cannot be glossed over with the equivalence ploy.
...and there is a huge issue of honesty that cannot be glossed over with degree.
Neighbor

La Grange Park, IL

#70 Oct 4, 2012
Will be traveling in November, so I voted today at the County Office. Actually had to show a state Picture ID!! I loved that part!

Over heard Walsh in the parking lot griping to two men in suits. "They asked how many family members work for the county. I said none because I don't. Sure I have a relative or two, but that's not my family."..... <Could not believe he was raving out loud to these guys, and stating "relatives"???? Politicians, ya got's luv em huh?
Everyone should vote

Frankfort, IL

#71 Oct 4, 2012
Appalled wrote:
Mr. Sanchez brings up a very important point. Cheaters exist on both sides of party lines. Why on earth would honest Dems not be just as outraged as honest Republicans?
Who says they are not? You, I suppose. You seem rather fond of your own opinions. Good for you. It's been pointed out to you that millions of dollars have been spent trying to find evidence of voter fraud from voters using false ID with the investigations leading nowhere. Stop wasting our money on this issue.
I'm glad you think that Republicans are going to actually do something about illegal immigration besides pass a few laws they have no intention of enforcing. It's a just an evil Democrat lie that Ronald Reagan granted amnesty for illegal immigrants. A Republican would never do such a thing! We know that Republicans all want workers to have high wages, health care, pensions, etc. If elected the first thing Romney will do is add thousands of government employees, all with excellent benefits, and crack down on all the illegal immigrants. Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhttt.
My man mitt

Schererville, IN

#72 Oct 4, 2012
John Sanchez wrote:
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I suppose there is evidence of voter fraud that benefits both major political parties. But there is an important difference. That is that there are more examples of Republican voter fraud so far this year in Palm Beach County, Florida alone, than there are Democratic examples nationwide over the past ten years. That difference is both quantitative and qualitative.
The bit of blame both sides propaganda that attempts to draw equivalency between the Republicans offenses and those of the Democrats is what I have called the Devil's favorite lie, since, if it is accepted, it makes all of the other lies easier to swallow. But if that premise is rejected, a much more straightforward discussion can follow.
The truth is that a few scattered examples of voter fraud argue against a coordinated effort and do not affect the outcome of an election. However, voter fraud, repeatedly plied on an industrial scale by employees of the same company, indicates the likelihood of a conspiracy to commit fraud, if not an ongoing criminal enterprise, and if successful, can certainly affect the outcome of an election.
More racist propaganda from sanchez. You only say this stuff because you don't like white people.
To Nit Mitt

Frankfort, IL

#73 Oct 4, 2012
My man mitt wrote:
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More racist propaganda from sanchez. You only say this stuff because you don't like white people.
Way to go Florida GOP! Let's piss off Hispanic Republicans, who by the way are citizens.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/arti...
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#74 Oct 4, 2012
To Nit Mitt wrote:
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Way to go Florida GOP! Let's piss off Hispanic Republicans, who by the way are citizens.
http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/arti...
Did you read the last section of the article? You know, the part that is not true according to "fraud does not exist" crowd:

"Among them is Anita Caragan, 72, who was born in the Philippines and lives in Panama City Beach in the state’s Panhandle region. Caragan said she has held a green card, giving her permanent residency in the U.S., since 1970. Caragan has voted in 12 elections, state records show.

It’s illegal for those holding green cards to vote in federal elections. They can be deported from the U.S., according to the Homeland Security Department.

She said she was issued a voter registration card when she renewed a driver’s license, and thought it was legal to vote as a result.

“I’ve been voting for many, many years,” she said.“So what’s the problem?”
Neighbor

La Grange Park, IL

#75 Oct 5, 2012
Appalled... You cannot convince these cheat supporters out here. They have to argue against more voter protection, because it makes it harder for these Lib Dems to cheat. Why on earth would anyone honest not want voter ID?

Come on, a 6 year old can google Voter fraud and find 1,000's of cases out there. These cheats out here are like 6 year olds hiding their vegetables in their napkin, looking you in the eye, and saying they ate them. It's a waste of time talking to cheats on this.:)
Accountability

United States

#76 Oct 5, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
Ironic, is that each Vet has an ID. <grin Right?
Honestly, there has been overwealming evidence across the years of voter fraud. Come on, google it and really go through the caess. It's very hard to catch, and prove. The studies you want to use only based upon those caught, not 100% of the undetected fraud. Right?
It's a silly arguement to accept a little bit of fraud. Races are very close across the country, we are split pretty much 50/50 these days. A hundred votes in 25,000 can change an election.
No one does not have an ID these days. Certainly, it is not hard at all to get off the couch and go get one for sure.
Voting is a right in this country, but those rights were put inplace & held in place through the blood of American soldiers. It was not, and is not free. Doing the tiniest part of showing your ID is no price at all to pay to assure the integrety of our votes.
Too bad that veteran’s I.D. isn’t an acceptable form of identification.
http://articles.philly.com/2012-09-19/news/33...
I would grin if it weren’t so pathetically sad. So I hope you volunteer to drive the bus that will pick up the elderly or disabled vets and drive them all down to the DMV to get their acceptable form of I.D. While you’re at it, you may have to drive them to another state to obtain a copy of their birth certificate and any other documents that would be required to obtain said I.D. You’re absolutely correct about these heroes spilling their blood all over the world to protect our rights. The least we can do is to make it as easy as possible for them to exercise theirs. But hey, we can’t have all of these illegals, risking deportation if they get caught, walking into the polling place and saying “My name is Joe Whiteguy and I want to vote.” or more accurately,“Mi nombre es Joe Whiteguy y quiero votar.” now can we? At least the judges are seeing this for what it is.
Neighbor

Blackstone, IL

#77 Oct 5, 2012
Accountability wrote:
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Too bad that veteran’s I.D. isn’t an acceptable form of identification.
http://articles.philly.com/2012-09-19/news/33...
I would grin if it weren’t so pathetically sad. So I hope you volunteer to drive the bus that will pick up the elderly or disabled vets and drive them all down to the DMV to get their acceptable form of I.D. While you’re at it, you may have to drive them to another state to obtain a copy of their birth certificate and any other documents that would be required to obtain said I.D. You’re absolutely correct about these heroes spilling their blood all over the world to protect our rights. The least we can do is to make it as easy as possible for them to exercise theirs. But hey, we can’t have all of these illegals, risking deportation if they get caught, walking into the polling place and saying “My name is Joe Whiteguy and I want to vote.” or more accurately,“Mi nombre es Joe Whiteguy y quiero votar.” now can we? At least the judges are seeing this for what it is.
Obviously you were never in the service. Every service member has a government issue picture ID that meets Voter ID requirements. The "VA" card is seperate, and for medical treatment at a VA hospital/clinic. The "VA" card does not meet the legal requiremts for Voter ID. Neither does your Lyons Club ID, American Legion ID, VFW ID, Moose ID, Shriner ID, Mickey Mouse Club ID, etc... Nice whiney stretch, but you get the Baloney Award for intent. You need to start thinking like an independent adult, not a shiney object swallowing minion. Try it...
CC Ryder

Streator, IL

#78 Oct 5, 2012
Jack wrote:
Yes, voter fraud exists, but research shows that it happens most with absentee ballets, and even then it's at .001%.
We all know what this is, and I find it despicable.
Hey Jack,
Are you counting the absentee ballets that were sent to a pets owners so they could vote for the person they thought that there pet would vote for???
To Nit Mitt

Frankfort, IL

#79 Oct 5, 2012
Appalled wrote:
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Did you read the last section of the article? You know, the part that is not true according to "fraud does not exist" crowd:
"Among them is Anita Caragan, 72, who was born in the Philippines and lives in Panama City Beach in the state’s Panhandle region. Caragan said she has held a green card, giving her permanent residency in the U.S., since 1970. Caragan has voted in 12 elections, state records show.
It’s illegal for those holding green cards to vote in federal elections. They can be deported from the U.S., according to the Homeland Security Department.
She said she was issued a voter registration card when she renewed a driver’s license, and thought it was legal to vote as a result.
“I’ve been voting for many, many years,” she said.“So what’s the problem?”
Yippee!!! We spent millions of dollars investigating voter fraud and we caught ...ONE! And she wasn't even an illegal alien! I'm sure you feel vindicated. Now let's put you in charge so you can spend some more money and start the process of deporting this evil woman back to where she came from!
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#80 Oct 6, 2012
To Nit Mitt wrote:
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Yippee!!! We spent millions of dollars investigating voter fraud and we caught ...ONE! And she wasn't even an illegal alien! I'm sure you feel vindicated. Now let's put you in charge so you can spend some more money and start the process of deporting this evil woman back to where she came from!
The fact that you would twist one example to support your flawed argument simply proves that your argument is weak and you are choosing to ignore the honest truth.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#81 Oct 23, 2012
What will they think of next?

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/fake-citi...

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