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Naperville, IL

#1 Jan 9, 2011
Its that time of year again when they start preparing for next school year.
When considering budget cuts, it is best to keep the cuts as far away from the kids as possible. Unfortunately with any cuts will come some reduction in employees?
Here is a way to save money while still putting teachers in the classroom. Using Lincoln Way as an example with how they utilize their deans the following is a good possibility for NLSD 122.
With the following implementation the District should save $500,000 +
1. Eliminate the position of Asst. Principal at all schools. That is 6 positions at an average of $60,000. Put those people back in the classrooms as most of our Asst. Principals were originally teachers in the district. Utilize those staff members that have a Type 75 and assign them specific duties and Dean Responsibilities. They are already receiving a higher salary for their additional education so put those degrees to work for the district. This can be done by assigning certain tasks, dividing up duties as they arise, assign specific people for each grade level, or team.
If there duties carry beyond the normal school day, they could even earn additional dollars/per hour and that will still be a cost savings.
Or you can take away the teaching duties from the counselors and make them a part time Dean/Asst. Principal & Counselor although the cost saving would not be quite as high.
2. Another way to save money is to stop having traveling teachers. Figure out a way to cross teach so they can stay at the same school. Maybe PE teachers can pick up a Health class. We already have the librarians teaching.
3. Cost cuts can be at the district level also. There is no need for a communications coordinator. In this day and age with e-mail each schools secretary can be responsible for letting the press know what is happening at each school.
4. There is not a need for someone to search out internet sites and education opportunities and let the teachers know (instructional technology coordinator)
5. All administrators could take a cut in transportation reimbursement
6. PPS has a director, assist director and 2 admin. Assts. Each school also has people who work for PPS and spend a lot of time sitting around. Eliminate assist director and spread those duties amongst all other PPS personnel.

If you like these any of these ideas please share your opinion with your elected school board memebers.
good ideas

New Lenox, IL

#2 Jan 9, 2011
All good ideas.

How about looking into outsourcing accounting and IT?

We need to reduce administration first. Their roles are overpaid, overplayed and overlap. We need to teach. They've overinflated their importance. All they do is administer canned programs they buy, and then congratulate themselves. They add little value.

Get rid of the union and guaranteed raises. ALL salaries should be tied to performance. REAL performance.
Easy Enough

Frankfort, IL

#3 Jan 9, 2011
Don't you think your plan is way too rational for the kids in charge? I think you have very good ideas here. I wouldn't be surprised if all of the people involved whine their rearends off if something like this were to be implemented. After all, your asking some of them to get off of their rears and actually work.
NoParty

Frankfort, IL

#4 Jan 9, 2011
good ideas wrote:
ALL salaries should be tied to performance. REAL performance.
How would you suggest we do that? I've been searching for a way to make salaries/raises/bonuses like the private sector for years, but have not come up with a solid repeatable method to judge true performance given the dynamic variables that are students.
good ideas

New Lenox, IL

#5 Jan 9, 2011
NoParty wrote:
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How would you suggest we do that? I've been searching for a way to make salaries/raises/bonuses like the private sector for years, but have not come up with a solid repeatable method to judge true performance given the dynamic variables that are students.
The progress that students make can be measured from beginning of the year to the end. And it is time for an attitude of accountability from the principals, teachers and parents.

If a principal cannot make a judgment on teacher performance, then they should not be a principal.
NoParty

Frankfort, IL

#6 Jan 9, 2011
good ideas wrote:
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The progress that students make can be measured from beginning of the year to the end. And it is time for an attitude of accountability from the principals, teachers and parents.
If a principal cannot make a judgment on teacher performance, then they should not be a principal.
That's always the obvious metric. But the problem I always run into is that student grades/improvement from point as to point b really isn't indicative of how well a teacher is improving. I can take 10 kids, and 10 teachers and pair them up 1 to 1. The student that improves the most is not necessarily being taught by the teacher with the best performance.

In terms of students in full classrooms, how active are the parents with the student, homework, progress/improvement, responding to teacher concerns, etc? What other distractions are there in the classroom for both the student and teacher? What other activities/responsibilities does each student have that may distract him/her from schoolwork?

I've always a problem with salary being based merely on years of service and education. I do not like seeing 2 teachers in the same grade, one with 25 years experience and the other with 5 years experience, and nearly a 2:1 ratio in salary for doing what many would deem the same job function.

PS, I am not a teacher, I am in IT security in the private sector.
Agreed

Broadview, IL

#7 Jan 9, 2011
Agree on your "seniority" salary differences. Like the private sector did years ago... Establish a salary for bands of teachers. Say, a Science Teacher min salary is $35,000 and every three years you are up for a bump... but the max salary for a Science teacher is $50,000. That's it, 10 years experience or 30 years experience, max is $50k. If a teacher wants to earn more then they target their career for a job who's band is higher.

Anyway... I am just glad we are talking budget cuts...
Agreed

Broadview, IL

#8 Jan 9, 2011
Like Union licensing... it requires X number of training hours each year. Why do we pay a teacher's tuition "and" pay them more in salary for course completions? It's their career... they need to invest in themselves period. Asking tax payers to comp them is no longer possible.

This should be a money saver too....
Hey School Board

Naperville, IL

#9 Jan 13, 2011
Money Alert wrote:
Its that time of year again when they start preparing for next school year.
When considering budget cuts, it is best to keep the cuts as far away from the kids as possible. Unfortunately with any cuts will come some reduction in employees?
Here is a way to save money while still putting teachers in the classroom. Using Lincoln Way as an example with how they utilize their deans the following is a good possibility for NLSD 122.
With the following implementation the District should save $500,000 +
1. Eliminate the position of Asst. Principal at all schools. That is 6 positions at an average of $60,000. Put those people back in the classrooms as most of our Asst. Principals were originally teachers in the district. Utilize those staff members that have a Type 75 and assign them specific duties and Dean Responsibilities. They are already receiving a higher salary for their additional education so put those degrees to work for the district. This can be done by assigning certain tasks, dividing up duties as they arise, assign specific people for each grade level, or team.
If there duties carry beyond the normal school day, they could even earn additional dollars/per hour and that will still be a cost savings.
Or you can take away the teaching duties from the counselors and make them a part time Dean/Asst. Principal & Counselor although the cost saving would not be quite as high.
2. Another way to save money is to stop having traveling teachers. Figure out a way to cross teach so they can stay at the same school. Maybe PE teachers can pick up a Health class. We already have the librarians teaching.
3. Cost cuts can be at the district level also. There is no need for a communications coordinator. In this day and age with e-mail each schools secretary can be responsible for letting the press know what is happening at each school.
4. There is not a need for someone to search out internet sites and education opportunities and let the teachers know (instructional technology coordinator)
5. All administrators could take a cut in transportation reimbursement
6. PPS has a director, assist director and 2 admin. Assts. Each school also has people who work for PPS and spend a lot of time sitting around. Eliminate assist director and spread those duties amongst all other PPS personnel.
If you like these any of these ideas please share your opinion with your elected school board memebers.
Has any of these ideas been submitted to the board?
Will the board even consider these before giving mike sass a raise again!
where are the adults

Palatine, IL

#10 Jan 13, 2011
Our district has been well aware of the state's delinquency problems FOR YEARS. This and the past few school boards have conveniently ignored dealing with this issue, all the while treating themselves to the taxpayer coffers with favors, sweet pension deals, extended contracts, automatic raises, etc. they claim FOR THE KIDS. Their solution over and over again? Raise taxes in the form of referendum after referendum they claim FOR THE KIDS.

Tell me - how is mismanaging funds at the local and state levels, and then raising taxes again to mismanage even more funds, good FOR THE KIDS?

We need some fiscally conservative board members. We don't need to pay for personality tests, we don't need to pay for iPads, we don't need to pay travel allowances back and forth to schools, or extended contracts or raises or duplicate jobs or layers of administration and the district office and at the schools.

agreed

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Jan 13, 2011
unfortunate but cuts are needed. Do they also need a principal for the Spencer kidergarten classes making a six figure salary. Can't the Spencer elementary school prinicpal handle the kindergarten kids too. C'mon I hate to see anyone lose a job but how much time and effort is really devoted to need a principal just for the kindergarten class.
where are the adults

Braidwood, IL

#12 Jan 13, 2011
agreed wrote:
unfortunate but cuts are needed. Do they also need a principal for the Spencer kidergarten classes making a six figure salary. Can't the Spencer elementary school prinicpal handle the kindergarten kids too. C'mon I hate to see anyone lose a job but how much time and effort is really devoted to need a principal just for the kindergarten class.
I think that is a good idea. And I bet it doesn't even come up at a district meeting because the union and our school board don't want to deal with it.

We need to reduce staff and salaries at the administrative level. Two superintendents? How many principals? A communications director?(Shouldn't our supt. or school board president do that?) Unreasonable extended employment contracts and benefits?

The past couple of election cycles resulted in unjustified and unreasonable salary increases and benefits, unrealistic union demands, unnecessary board purchases at our expense.

IMO we also need to be sure we don't employ double-dippers. This practice has been going on for too long statewide. It is a disgraceful and painful strain on our state budget, and part of the reason why all of us our facing a 67% income tax increase.

Truth

Frankfort, IL

#13 Jan 13, 2011
where are the adults wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that is a good idea. And I bet it doesn't even come up at a district meeting because the union and our school board don't want to deal with it.
We need to reduce staff and salaries at the administrative level. Two superintendents? How many principals? A communications director?(Shouldn't our supt. or school board president do that?) Unreasonable extended employment contracts and benefits?
The past couple of election cycles resulted in unjustified and unreasonable salary increases and benefits, unrealistic union demands, unnecessary board purchases at our expense.
IMO we also need to be sure we don't employ double-dippers. This practice has been going on for too long statewide. It is a disgraceful and painful strain on our state budget, and part of the reason why all of us our facing a 67% income tax increase.
Two superintendents? No, only one. If you don't know the most basic facts then you shouldn't be on this site pretending like you know what you are talking about. Why would you think it's a good idea for an unpaid elected official (school board president) to take on the role of communications coordinator? The role of communications coordinator is extremely important in a school district the size of ours. It's unrealistic to think that the Superintendent should spend his time in that role. Lincoln way has more than one person in communications. Why doesn't anyone pick on them? Have you looked at their upcoming budget woes?
where are the adults

New Lenox, IL

#14 Jan 13, 2011
Truth wrote:
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Two superintendents? No, only one. If you don't know the most basic facts then you shouldn't be on this site pretending like you know what you are talking about. Why would you think it's a good idea for an unpaid elected official (school board president) to take on the role of communications coordinator? The role of communications coordinator is extremely important in a school district the size of ours. It's unrealistic to think that the Superintendent should spend his time in that role. Lincoln way has more than one person in communications. Why doesn't anyone pick on them? Have you looked at their upcoming budget woes?
Yes, we essentially have two supts. When Sass leaves and if Manville doesn't get his job, she gets a pretty penny. Maybe we should post the contracts online again to refresh the public.

IMO Sass and the board are hiding from directly interacting with the taxpayers by having this position of communications coordinator. Yes, Sass can communicate. He get's paid enough. Manville can do it, too. So can our SB president.

You are obviously either an employee of 122 or a school board member. You divert attention to avoid the problem of fiscal mismanagement.

Unsustainable pension obligations and the nickel and diming by elected officials are part of the cause of this state to be on the verge of financial collapse.
OMG

River Grove, IL

#15 Jan 13, 2011
Oh my god, people, seriously? I read each and every one of the above posts and wonder...'get a life".........you need a hobby!
Unincorporated

Frankfort, IL

#16 Jan 13, 2011
Drinking is a great hobby! Let's get wasted. forget about the schools.
no more tax hikes

New Lenox, IL

#17 Jan 14, 2011
OMG wrote:
Oh my god, people, seriously? I read each and every one of the above posts and wonder...'get a life".........you need a hobby!
I encourage everyone to attend the 122 meeting on Jan 31 at the Village Hall because we are getting taxed into insolvency.
nodoubledipping

Saint Charles, IL

#18 Jan 14, 2011
where are the adults wrote:
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I think that is a good idea. And I bet it doesn't even come up at a district meeting because the union and our school board don't want to deal with it.
We need to reduce staff and salaries at the administrative level. Two superintendents? How many principals? A communications director?(Shouldn't our supt. or school board president do that?) Unreasonable extended employment contracts and benefits?
The past couple of election cycles resulted in unjustified and unreasonable salary increases and benefits, unrealistic union demands, unnecessary board purchases at our expense.
IMO we also need to be sure we don't employ double-dippers. This practice has been going on for too long statewide. It is a disgraceful and painful strain on our state budget, and part of the reason why all of us our facing a 67% income tax increase.
Agree! Speaking of "double dippers", I know of retired teachers who are being paid to sub in the district's classrooms. How is that even ethical, receiving a pension and being paid to work in the same system you retired from? Would that ever fly in the public sector? There are people who don't have a job or pension, that would be happy to work daily sub jobs for no benefits just to make ends meet. I'm tired of paying for the endless gravy train for state employees.
What

Frankfort, IL

#19 Jan 14, 2011
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Two superintendents? No, only one. If you don't know the most basic facts then you shouldn't be on this site pretending like you know what you are talking about. Why would you think it's a good idea for an unpaid elected official (school board president) to take on the role of communications coordinator? The role of communications coordinator is extremely important in a school district the size of ours. It's unrealistic to think that the Superintendent should spend his time in that role. Lincoln way has more than one person in communications. Why doesn't anyone pick on them? Have you looked at their upcoming budget woes?
Lincoln Way is also WAY more financially responsible than 122. They might as well put the kindergarteners in charge of 122. They could do a better job. JMO
What

Frankfort, IL

#20 Jan 14, 2011
OMG wrote:
Oh my god, people, seriously? I read each and every one of the above posts and wonder...'get a life".........you need a hobby!
We need to get a life? It would be irresponsible to not care how our tax dollars are spent. It would be irresponsible for us not to care about our children's education. The quality of schools directly affects propery values. There's a lot at stake for most of us. Maybe you're the one that needs to pull that head of yours out of the sand. JMO

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