Are voters really capable of making t...

Are voters really capable of making the right choices?

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Since: Nov 11

Mokena, IL

#1 Nov 8, 2012
Two words: Derrick Smith.
Jack

Chicago, IL

#2 Nov 8, 2012
New Lenox Parents wrote:
Two words: Derrick Smith.
2 more... George Bush.
dumb as a box of rocks

New Lenox, IL

#3 Nov 8, 2012
1 more...Jack
Four More Years

Wauconda, IL

#4 Nov 8, 2012
Jack wrote:
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2 more... George Bush.
2 more... Two Times

Since: Nov 11

Mokena, IL

#5 Nov 9, 2012
Ugh....It has been eight years since Bush was re-elected, yet lefties STILL use it as justification for voter stupidity today. Bush and Fox News are going to be the only argument from the left for the next 200 years. It doesn't really work anymore guys..... justify today's vote, don't use yesterday's as your argument.
Breaker

Chicago, IL

#6 Nov 9, 2012
Tuesday proved they are not.
Neighbor

Wheaton, IL

#7 Nov 10, 2012
JJ Jr.@ 63% blew my mind... <lol
John Sanchez

Batavia, IL

#8 Nov 10, 2012
The higher the turnout, the better the decision, which of course means that universal turnout of qualified voters would be best of all.

The purpose of elections in a democratic republic is to allow the people to express their preference for how they are to be governed. If those in the minority disagree, and they normally do however things turn out, oh well. Try to do better next time.

There are a lot of factors that go into how the majority of voters respond to any particular set of circumstances. I believe that in the last several national elections they have been directing their odium at one or another party for their failure to serve the people rather than the corporatocracy.

In 2008 they turned out Republicans for the failures of the Bush administration to provide the jobs and economy that they know America to be capable of. In the 2010 midterms, their dissatisfaction with the Democratic Party's efforts was expressed in awarding control of the Congress to the Republican Party. In 2012, Republicans were taken to task for their failure to make improvements to the lot of the people. In 2014 they will again punish the party in power if strides are not made toward meeting the people's priorities.

Those on the right are absolutely certain that their doctrinaire policies are what the American people need, come what may. They were also quite certain that Mitt Romney would be the President of the United States. Both of those fantasies are equally valid.

The American people are that hard to please if their needs are provided for. They are not looking for handouts like some of the more imbecilic commentators claim.

They want opportunity to make their way in the world, and will not reward those who ship that opportunity offshore and then blame the people for that. They want freedom of choice in all matters of their life, rather than a narrow range of choices imposed on them by those who think they know better. They want prosperity, not only for themselves, but for their family, friends and neighbors, and for the nation generally, and those who fail to deliver these things can expect to be turned out at elections in serial fashion.

Americans are the most productive people in the world, and their hard work takes second place to no others. The meme of a welfare society is simply a propaganda ploy made by those who would control the society and parroted by those who are profoundly ignorant.

The social welfare provisions of our society are intended to reduce suffering among our population, and as a general proposition, those provisions are not abused by a lazy population. That is why they are popular among a people who have generally been raised in charitable religious traditions. Anyone claiming otherwise is not going to find themselves being very well received by those about whom the lies are propagated.
sharky

Schenectady, NY

#9 Nov 10, 2012
Great post John, you wrote words of Iron and Truth.

Thank you,

Kindest Regards
Unincorporated

Frankfort, IL

#10 Nov 10, 2012
LOL, sharky. You are a true Kool Aid drinker. When TSHTF they will be coming for you first.

Since: Nov 11

Mokena, IL

#11 Nov 10, 2012
"Americans are the most productive people in the world, and their hard work takes second place to no others."

How many other societies have you visited in order to judge this?

Most productive.... hard work..... I believe this was absolutely true at one point in time. Today? I don't believe that to be so true anymore.

I can speak for how hard my family works and how we were raised to work. But seeing how many people are on food stamps because they are not working, we can no longer consider our nation so "productive." With unemployment so high for so long, we can no longer consider our nation so "productive."

If we encourage a people not to work because they will still be provided for, a welfare state is precisely what we get.
wondering

Glenview, IL

#12 Nov 10, 2012
New Lenox Parents wrote:
"Americans are the most productive people in the world, and their hard work takes second place to no others."
How many other societies have you visited in order to judge this?
Most productive.... hard work..... I believe this was absolutely true at one point in time. Today? I don't believe that to be so true anymore.
I can speak for how hard my family works and how we were raised to work. But seeing how many people are on food stamps because they are not working, we can no longer consider our nation so "productive." With unemployment so high for so long, we can no longer consider our nation so "productive."
If we encourage a people not to work because they will still be provided for, a welfare state is precisely what we get.
So what is your answer to those who are unemployed or under employed? Should we let them starve? Let them die if they get sick? Where are the jobs that these lazy people are not filling? We know what trickles down isn't jobs from the "jobs creators" because they have had big breaks for a long, long time. The only thing that has increased is the dishonesty and greed of the people at the top. Do you really think that good moral people would elect a vulture businessman to the white house?
teacher

New Lenox, IL

#13 Nov 10, 2012
John Sanchez wrote:
The higher the turnout, the better the decision, which of course means that universal turnout of qualified voters would be best of all.
The purpose of elections in a democratic republic is to allow the people to express their preference for how they are to be governed. If those in the minority disagree, and they normally do however things turn out, oh well. Try to do better next time.
There are a lot of factors that go into how the majority of voters respond to any particular set of circumstances. I believe that in the last several national elections they have been directing their odium at one or another party for their failure to serve the people rather than the corporatocracy.
In 2008 they turned out Republicans for the failures of the Bush administration to provide the jobs and economy that they know America to be capable of. In the 2010 midterms, their dissatisfaction with the Democratic Party's efforts was expressed in awarding control of the Congress to the Republican Party. In 2012, Republicans were taken to task for their failure to make improvements to the lot of the people. In 2014 they will again punish the party in power if strides are not made toward meeting the people's priorities.
Those on the right are absolutely certain that their doctrinaire policies are what the American people need, come what may. They were also quite certain that Mitt Romney would be the President of the United States. Both of those fantasies are equally valid.
The American people are that hard to please if their needs are provided for. They are not looking for handouts like some of the more imbecilic commentators claim.
They want opportunity to make their way in the world, and will not reward those who ship that opportunity offshore and then blame the people for that. They want freedom of choice in all matters of their life, rather than a narrow range of choices imposed on them by those who think they know better. They want prosperity, not only for themselves, but for their family, friends and neighbors, and for the nation generally, and those who fail to deliver these things can expect to be turned out at elections in serial fashion.
Americans are the most productive people in the world, and their hard work takes second place to no others. The meme of a welfare society is simply a propaganda ploy made by those who would control the society and parroted by those who are profoundly ignorant.
The social welfare provisions of our society are intended to reduce suffering among our population, and as a general proposition, those provisions are not abused by a lazy population. That is why they are popular among a people who have generally been raised in charitable religious traditions. Anyone claiming otherwise is not going to find themselves being very well received by those about whom the lies are propagated.
FYI Social welfare provisions were intended to be a temporary fix for those in desperate situations, not a permanent fix or a lifestyle. Thanks LBJ, you big baffoon. He'll go down in history as one of the worst presidents along with Carter and Obama.
Put the pipe down

Frankfort, IL

#14 Nov 10, 2012
New Lenox Parents wrote:
Ugh....It has been eight years since Bush was re-elected, yet lefties STILL use it as justification for voter stupidity today. Bush and Fox News are going to be the only argument from the left for the next 200 years. It doesn't really work anymore guys..... justify today's vote, don't use yesterday's as your argument.
Get something straight you crybaby. You do not get to pretend George W Bush never happened. He with the support of Republicans like yourself nearly destroyed the economy. Tax breaks for billionaires while increasing spending and invading two countries was the biggest blunder in U.S. History. It takes decades to grow out of a mess like the Republicans created. We did it before (see WW2.) We grew out of debt as a nation by following policies OPPOSITE of what whackjobs like you advocate. Get a history book and look it up.
Put the pipe down

Frankfort, IL

#15 Nov 10, 2012
teacher wrote:
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FYI Social welfare provisions were intended to be a temporary fix for those in desperate situations, not a permanent fix or a lifestyle. Thanks LBJ, you big baffoon. He'll go down in history as one of the worst presidents along with Carter and Obama.
No he won't. GWB was the most irresponsible President of all time. Deal with it.

Since: Nov 11

Mokena, IL

#16 Nov 12, 2012
Put the pipe down wrote:
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Get something straight you crybaby. You do not get to pretend George W Bush never happened. He with the support of Republicans like yourself nearly destroyed the economy. Tax breaks for billionaires while increasing spending and invading two countries was the biggest blunder in U.S. History. It takes decades to grow out of a mess like the Republicans created. We did it before (see WW2.) We grew out of debt as a nation by following policies OPPOSITE of what whackjobs like you advocate. Get a history book and look it up.
Pretending he never happened is not akin to blaming him forever. Not all Republicans are Bush supporters. I am not a Republican, so I wouldn't even fit into that. But, for what it is worth, I am not a Bush supporter in his second term. But, way to go for assuming facts that aren't even true! That is the way to have a conversation!

Why can't we just have a conversation using words, not assumptions? What are we so afraid of?
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#17 Nov 12, 2012
New Lenox Parents wrote:
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Pretending he never happened is not akin to blaming him forever. Not all Republicans are Bush supporters. I am not a Republican, so I wouldn't even fit into that. But, for what it is worth, I am not a Bush supporter in his second term. But, way to go for assuming facts that aren't even true! That is the way to have a conversation!
Why can't we just have a conversation using words, not assumptions? What are we so afraid of?
This guy/gal "assumed" my whole life for me on another thread. LOL. He/she is a real piece of work.
time heals all

Glenview, IL

#18 Nov 12, 2012
New Lenox Parents wrote:
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Pretending he never happened is not akin to blaming him forever. Not all Republicans are Bush supporters. I am not a Republican, so I wouldn't even fit into that. But, for what it is worth, I am not a Bush supporter in his second term. But, way to go for assuming facts that aren't even true! That is the way to have a conversation!
Why can't we just have a conversation using words, not assumptions? What are we so afraid of?
It sometimes takes decades to recover from a major disaster. Bush is to blame for a large part of what has happened in this country.
clueless in des plaines

New Lenox, IL

#19 Nov 12, 2012
time heals all wrote:
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It sometimes takes decades to recover from a major disaster. Bush is to blame for a large part of what has happened in this country.
Are we already starting the spin for the next presidential race??? It's not gonna work next time. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
Mike

Chicago, IL

#20 Nov 12, 2012
teacher wrote:
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FYI Social welfare provisions were intended to be a temporary fix for those in desperate situations, not a permanent fix or a lifestyle. Thanks LBJ, you big baffoon. He'll go down in history as one of the worst presidents along with Carter and Obama.
Don't forget Reagan!

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