Teacher Strike Chicago
Billy

Joliet, IL

#21 Aug 30, 2012
lets leave Illinois wrote:
Dear employees of Illinois:
WE ARE OUT OF MONEY AND CANNOT PAY YOU OR FUND YOUR PENSIONS AS IT IS. A RAISE IS INSANE!!
1) All non union, non gov't workers should move out of the state (as businesses have already started to do, taking jobs w/them)
2)then...who will fund your nonsense? Not the over burdened taxpayer 'cause we got smart and all left
3) good luck! You asked for too much and now you have nothing.
While I agree with you on the teachers in CPS do not need a raise with the results they out out, I want to correct you a bit,

1. The CPS has their own pension program, not like the rest of the state. I have no idea what it looks like in the books.

2. The teachers pension problem is not the teachers fault. We paid 100% of our share, and the state used OUR money like a debit card. Now its the teachers fault the state cannot pay it back, and we should get F'ed by the state. I do not think so!

3. We are taxpayers as well. Our money funds over budgeted projects around the state to pay a non college educated worker $45per hour plus over time.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#22 Aug 31, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
Ok, get ready for the Dunce hat Four-More: I hate making you wear it again, but you keep earning it...
Cutter counted the past 27 months. Thatís the most favorable measurement for Obama, since 27 months ago was the low point in employment numbers, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the official federal scorekeeper for jobs numbers. Cutter also used private-sector job numbers rather than the overall job numbers, which helps Obamaís case too; government job losses have been a drag on the overall numbers over that period.
Between March 2010 and July 2012 (which is actually 28 months), the number of private-sector jobs rose from 106.9 million to 111.3 million, an increase of 4.4 million -- just shy of Cutterís 4.5 million.
What about Reagan? The low point for employment under Reagan was December 1982, with 72.8 million private-sector jobs. Fast-forward 27 months to March 1985 and the number of private-sector jobs was 80.4 million. Thatís an increase of 7.7 million -- a far bigger jobs bump than under Obama.
Even more impressively, the Reagan recovery took place within a much smaller economy. The 27-month Reagan recovery represented an 11 percent increase in jobs, compared to a 4 percent increase during the comparable period under Obama.
So the Gipper wins this faceoff.
(Using Cutterís method, President George W. Bush oversaw an increase in 4.3 million jobs in the first 27 months following the low point during his tenure, so he had slightly fewer than Obama.)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
Four-More? Don't you just hate it when facts make you the Dunce? I mean...really.
Just checking to see if Four-More is wearing his Dunce Hat?
Professor

United States

#23 Aug 31, 2012
Four More Years wrote:
<quoted text>
What did the Republicans do about spending from 2000-2008 or even go back to Ronnie's days and see what happened to spending.Neither party is without fault and to suggest that the Republicans have the answer is biased.
Bush spent 4 trillion in 8 years. Obama has spent 5 trillion in less than 4 years and still spending. what's your point?
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#24 Aug 31, 2012
LOL... Four-More... LOL A flame? That all you got?

Anyone can make a mistake out here Four-More. It's ok to admit you're wrong too.

The fact check I posted just smoked your story. At some point, you have to just admit your Obama love is based upon falsehoods & deceit told to you by the Lib Dems is all. So come on and join the winning American team of Romney/Ryan. We would love to have ya!
Too much time

Wood Dale, IL

#25 Aug 31, 2012
They will get what they want. They're not asking for 30% either. Get your facts straight big mouth. The first day all the little monkeys are running the streets, they'll settle the strike. Who the fuck would work more for the same money? This is why there are unions. Idiots like you that will work more for less is why this country is going to shit.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#26 Aug 31, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
LOL... Four-More... LOL A flame? That all you got?
He didn't do that. I did.
Professor

United States

#27 Aug 31, 2012
Too much time wrote:
They will get what they want. They're not asking for 30% either. Get your facts straight big mouth. The first day all the little monkeys are running the streets, they'll settle the strike. Who the fuck would work more for the same money? This is why there are unions. Idiots like you that will work more for less is why this country is going to shit.
Local 705 Chicago who represents members of union trucking company YRC, it's members took a 15k% pay cut, gave back a weeks vacation, received no pension contributions from the company for almost four years, and were recently
notified of reductions in their pension payouts.

You are out of touch. The days of tax and spend are over.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#28 Aug 31, 2012
Appalled wrote:
<quoted text>
He didn't do that. I did.
You used to love me?:) Did we break up again??? <grin

No reason for the flame really. He's a crazy guy at times is all. Just that when someone argues a point with wrong info, and trys to jam it to me with it, I like opportunities to post FactCheck responses, and stick it back. Is it wrong?
Too much time

Wood Dale, IL

#29 Aug 31, 2012
Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Local 705 Chicago who represents members of union trucking company YRC, it's members took a 15k% pay cut, gave back a weeks vacation, received no pension contributions from the company for almost four years, and were recently
notified of reductions in their pension payouts.
You are out of touch. The days of tax and spend are over.
. You better check your facts too, and don't paste some crap you read on the Internet either. The people who work for less money are giving into corporate greed. Mark my words, the strike will be settled and the faculty will get the raise, and they should. I'm not out of touch at all, I'm just for people being treated fairly.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#30 Aug 31, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
<quoted text>
You used to love me?:) Did we break up again??? <grin
No reason for the flame really. He's a crazy guy at times is all. Just that when someone argues a point with wrong info, and trys to jam it to me with it, I like opportunities to post FactCheck responses, and stick it back. Is it wrong?
Just my way of pointing out that you often criticize people for their name calling but do not recognize your own behavior in this area.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#31 Sep 1, 2012
That's only when all they have in a post is personal name calling attack, particularly so, after being corrected too. I'll keep your criticism in mind though...
Unincorporated

Frankfort, IL

#32 Sep 1, 2012
So let me make sure I have this straight. The Illinois government is in debt up to eyeballs. Chitcago is also running a very large deficit. When are our leaders going to realise they need to lead, and spend only as much as the taxing bodies take in in revenue. It's just that simple. You can't spend more than you take in. Try running your house like this for more than 6 months. You will be out on the street.
The teachers, cops, and firefighters and all the rest of the people on the public payroll are about to have a drastic reduction in pay and benefits when the governmens can't sell the bonds to cover their profligate borrowing. That day will come I assure you. They can't keep our already high property and sales taxes to fund these things. They will have to be cut back and need to be now. It really is that simple, we can't afford anything anymore.
Unincorporated

Frankfort, IL

#33 Sep 1, 2012
Sorry, didn't proofread that. Should say, they can't keep RAISING our already high taxes.
Has anyone's property taxes gone down with the value of their house? Mine haven't. What about Quinn running on a "Raise your taxes" pledge, and winning! Now we go from 3% to 5% is it? Annd he still can't fill the hole. Mathmatics are what they are. We can't fund what we are running now and they want an increase of 20%? That's actually funny.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#34 Sep 1, 2012
I think Rahm should legally only be allowed to approve a raise if he has the money. No money? Teachers want to strike? Ok, turn to a tax increase to pay for their raise over to the voters, let the "real" Boss's decide if the Teachers have earned it. <Stop letting crooked politicians approve spending money we don't have!!

Teachers strike for one reason, to give Rahm a cover story for him increasing their salaries!!!
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#35 Sep 1, 2012
Unincorporated wrote:
So let me make sure I have this straight. The Illinois government is in debt up to eyeballs. Chitcago is also running a very large deficit. When are our leaders going to realise they need to lead, and spend only as much as the taxing bodies take in in revenue. It's just that simple. You can't spend more than you take in. Try running your house like this for more than 6 months. You will be out on the street.
Exactly. So shouldn't we be evaluating the charity so that we can maintain our houses?
Unincorporated

Frankfort, IL

#36 Sep 1, 2012
I don't get your point.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#37 Sep 1, 2012
Unincorporated wrote:
I don't get your point.
I was comparing my personal budget to the state budget as you suggested.

Our children's safety and education are at risk, and yet the state still spends billions in charity towards illegal immigrants. Not sure how your personal budget works, but my kids come first before I give to charity.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#38 Sep 1, 2012
Family first... Yep!
Unincorporated

Frankfort, IL

#39 Sep 2, 2012
Appalled wrote:
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I was comparing my personal budget to the state budget as you suggested.
Our children's safety and education are at risk, and yet the state still spends billions in charity towards illegal immigrants. Not sure how your personal budget works, but my kids come first before I give to charity.
Appalled, that isn't charity. That is vote buying. We both know that. Some of my coworkers still ride the El and all they ave to do is say, "La Migre" and half the car jumps. This means he is an immigration officer.
Quinn and his gang (Emmanuel included first and foremost) want the hispanic vote at any cost. Unfortunately, people who pay taxes bear the cost of such a policy. Get rid of the illegals and our problems are solved IMO. Chitcago is a santuary city, did you know that?
Professor

United States

#40 Sep 2, 2012
Too much time wrote:
<quoted text>. You better check your facts too, and don't paste some crap you read on the Internet either. The people who work for less money are giving into corporate greed. Mark my words, the strike will be settled and the faculty will get the raise, and they should. I'm not out of touch at all, I'm just for people being treated fairly.
the union gave in too corporate greed. the workers voted against the cuts. the union basically told the workers the company is broke and needs the concessions and we will vote until you get it right. Three elections had to be held until they got it right. you dems bash Bain for saving companies, they silence when your own union does the same. you guys for one are fools, and two,.a bunch of hypocrites.

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