Teacher Strike Chicago

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Neighbor

Carpentersville, IL

#1 Aug 30, 2012
Ok, the City & State are broker than broke. Chicago schools have produced the poorest of student results, and test scores too. Teachers "want" to claim they are profesionals as well. Plus the "average teacher salary & benefits" by far exceeds the average tax payer's salary in Chicago (by far).

Rahm is striving to improve educational results by extending the class day some 45 minutes.

The teachers want a 30% salary increase because of the extended 45 minutes.

What's wrong with this picture? Can you imagine telling your boss/company you want a raise in these times? A 30% raise? Making a major issue over 45 minutes (not even an 8 hr day total mind you)?

Private sector tax payer would be laughed at & told to hit the door in "any" profession at all! These teachers do not seem to have a clue as to what being a professional requires!!!

Me? Tell these teachers exactly that! Take the punch & pain, and start all over with a realistic contract & salary. You'll find 1,000's applying!
WTF

Joliet, IL

#2 Aug 30, 2012
OK neighbor when are you going to submit your application?
Professor

United States

#3 Aug 30, 2012
Private sector jobs are being slashed. The ones who are still working are suffering pay and benefit cuts to keep the company in business. The public sector jobs are screaming for raises. You have the state workers screaming at Gov Quinn that they want their raise, and the Chicago teachers screaming for a lottery payout raise of 30%. The state is completely broke, and these public sector employees just don't care. Then you have Obama printing money to fund all this insanity and wanting to grow the public sector. Then for the real kicker, you have citizens supporting and voting for this garbage. God Help Us.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#4 Aug 30, 2012
Professor, I seriously believe these teachers have been so isolated from the real world, as well as hold no accountability for bad results, that they indeed are clueless.

I have a friend who is a teacher (leaves his house at 7:30 AM & is home at 2:35 PM) who tells me, if they want us to work more hours they have to pay for it. I stated but the State & City are broke, their only recourse is to raise taxs. He responded, yea...that's all they have to do.

Way out of touch....

Since: Nov 11

New Lenox, IL

#5 Aug 30, 2012
I am not usually one to side with corrupt unions, but in this case, let's look at the other side.

The child's school day has been extended to 7 hours. The teachers are there before the children get there and after they leave. How long is the teacher's day now? I don't know, but I know it would be longer than the 7 hours the kids are there.

And I know a problem with this issue was when Emanuel took back a promised raise of 4% when the contract expired last summer.... AND he went around the union and went directly to the teachers themselves.

The argument Lewis is giving for the need of the raise is to be able to provide resources for the children. I call bull on this. If that's the case, out the money directly into the school, not the pockets of the teachers.

I agree that maybe its time to start over with teachers. Does a teacher have the right to work and not be part of the teachers' union? If not, that should be a change as well. Many teachers put the students first, not the union. They should be able to make that choice for themselves, not be bullied by a union.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#6 Aug 30, 2012
Oh I hear you... I have another friend who retired from teaching 5th Grade Science. He was earning $85k when he decided he wanted to retire. So two-years before retirement, they gave him a 20% increase to make up for the retirement at 80% of pay.(Huh? What?) I was talking to him last week, when he stated he was pizzed Quinn was going to F with his pension. He said I am supposed to get a raise next year, and I am keeping track of every politician who votes on F'n with my raise.

I was thinking... You GOT your raise in that 20% public rip-off!!

Since: Nov 11

New Lenox, IL

#7 Aug 30, 2012
I really don't blame the guy. He knows his pension probably won't exist five/ten years from now, so get it while ya can!

I don't understand how people don't get it... the state is broke! Yes, it would be great for all of us to be able to retire nicely. It cannot happen. QUIT SPENDING MONEY! We all know how to get ahead, spend less than you make. It really isn't that hard. Why can't our state, local, and federal governments seem to grasp this. This is why we have no choice but to vote Republican in November. Even though I don't agree with a lot of their social policy, if we don't fix the economic situation, social policy won't matter a damn bit because we will all be living on the street and our constitution will be some mythical document that no one even reads about anymore.
Professor

United States

#8 Aug 30, 2012
New Lenox Parents wrote:
I am not usually one to side with corrupt unions, but in this case, let's look at the other side.
The child's school day has been extended to 7 hours. The teachers are there before the children get there and after they leave. How long is the teacher's day now? I don't know, but I know it would be longer than the 7 hours the kids are there.
And I know a problem with this issue was when Emanuel took back a promised raise of 4% when the contract expired last summer.... AND he went around the union and went directly to the teachers themselves.
The argument Lewis is giving for the need of the raise is to be able to provide resources for the children. I call bull on this. If that's the case, out the money directly into the school, not the pockets of the teachers.
I agree that maybe its time to start over with teachers. Does a teacher have the right to work and not be part of the teachers' union? If not, that should be a change as well. Many teachers put the students first, not the union. They should be able
to make that choice for themselves, not be bullied
by a union.

their is no more money to hand out. the state and the tax posters are broke
Four More Years

Deerfield, IL

#9 Aug 30, 2012
New Lenox Parents wrote:
I really don't blame the guy. He knows his pension probably won't exist five/ten years from now, so get it while ya can!
I don't understand how people don't get it... the state is broke! Yes, it would be great for all of us to be able to retire nicely. It cannot happen. QUIT SPENDING MONEY! We all know how to get ahead, spend less than you make. It really isn't that hard. Why can't our state, local, and federal governments seem to grasp this. This is why we have no choice but to vote Republican in November. Even though I don't agree with a lot of their social policy, if we don't fix the economic situation, social policy won't matter a damn bit because we will all be living on the street and our constitution will be some mythical document that no one even reads about anymore.
What did the Republicans do about spending from 2000-2008 or even go back to Ronnie's days and see what happened to spending.Neither party is without fault and to suggest that the Republicans have the answer is biased.
Appalled

Wilmington, IL

#10 Aug 30, 2012
Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
their is no more money to hand out. the state and the tax posters are broke
.......unless you are an illegal immigrant. Then this state welcomes you with it taxpayer dollars. Come on in. The door is open. We'll find the money we need to support you by pointing the finger at some other group.
lets leave Illinois

South Elgin, IL

#11 Aug 30, 2012
Dear employees of Illinois:

WE ARE OUT OF MONEY AND CANNOT PAY YOU OR FUND YOUR PENSIONS AS IT IS. A RAISE IS INSANE!!

1) All non union, non gov't workers should move out of the state (as businesses have already started to do, taking jobs w/them)

2)then...who will fund your nonsense? Not the over burdened taxpayer 'cause we got smart and all left

3) good luck! You asked for too much and now you have nothing.
Appalled

Wilmington, IL

#12 Aug 30, 2012
lets leave Illinois wrote:
Dear employees of Illinois:
WE ARE OUT OF MONEY AND CANNOT PAY YOU OR FUND YOUR PENSIONS AS IT IS. A RAISE IS INSANE!!
1) All non union, non gov't workers should move out of the state (as businesses have already started to do, taking jobs w/them)
2)then...who will fund your nonsense? Not the over burdened taxpayer 'cause we got smart and all left
3) good luck! You asked for too much and now you have nothing.
Why don't you stay and send the illegals away? Then we can all live in peace and harmony and you can rest assured that your taxpayer money is spent on you and your needs rather than those who do not deserve it.
Professor

United States

#13 Aug 30, 2012
Appalled wrote:
<quoted text>
.......unless you are an illegal immigrant. Then this state welcomes you with it taxpayer dollars. Come on in. The door is open. We'll find the money we need to support you by pointing the finger at some other group.
I love you sometimes!!!
Professor

United States

#14 Aug 30, 2012
Four More Years wrote:
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What did the Republicans do about spending from 2000-2008 or even go back to Ronnie's days and see what happened to spending.Neither party is without fault and to suggest that the Republicans have the answer is biased.
Obama spent more money Than George Washington through Bill Clinton combined. Look it up. He has to go!!!!!!!
Four More Years

Deerfield, IL

#15 Aug 30, 2012
Professor wrote:
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Obama spent more money Than George Washington through Bill Clinton combined. Look it up. He has to go!!!!!!!
Bush spent more money from Washington through Bill Clinton.

Why didn't include W in your example????

Did you know that Ronnie Reagan spent more money and added more debt than all the presidents from Washington until Reagan. Want to really slant it,Reagan added 4 times the debt of all the Presidents before him combined.Look it up.

Ronnie added more than 2 trillion to the debt which translates to 6 trillion in 2012 dollars.Need more?

Both parties have spent like drunken sailors.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#16 Aug 30, 2012
Ronnie created 15M to 17M jobs with 2T...
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#17 Aug 30, 2012
and increased Federal revednue by 15%...
Four More Years

Deerfield, IL

#18 Aug 30, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
Ronnie created 15M to 17M jobs with 2T...
That is 6 trillion in today's dollars.

W ran up a substantial debt of I believe 6-8 trillion and unemployment doubled.

You are right RR created jobs but unemployment doubled under W.Didn't the Republicans control Congress?

I don't as I said in another post think it is one party's fault,both are guilty.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#19 Aug 30, 2012
Ok, but what does all this have to do with the weather?

Bush & Reagan are not running in the election!!! Obama spent 5T, Romney has not spent a dime. Vote for Romney and your point is made!
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#20 Aug 30, 2012
Ok, get ready for the Dunce hat Four-More: I hate making you wear it again, but you keep earning it...

Cutter counted the past 27 months. Thatís the most favorable measurement for Obama, since 27 months ago was the low point in employment numbers, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the official federal scorekeeper for jobs numbers. Cutter also used private-sector job numbers rather than the overall job numbers, which helps Obamaís case too; government job losses have been a drag on the overall numbers over that period.

Between March 2010 and July 2012 (which is actually 28 months), the number of private-sector jobs rose from 106.9 million to 111.3 million, an increase of 4.4 million -- just shy of Cutterís 4.5 million.

What about Reagan? The low point for employment under Reagan was December 1982, with 72.8 million private-sector jobs. Fast-forward 27 months to March 1985 and the number of private-sector jobs was 80.4 million. Thatís an increase of 7.7 million -- a far bigger jobs bump than under Obama.

Even more impressively, the Reagan recovery took place within a much smaller economy. The 27-month Reagan recovery represented an 11 percent increase in jobs, compared to a 4 percent increase during the comparable period under Obama.

So the Gipper wins this faceoff.

(Using Cutterís method, President George W. Bush oversaw an increase in 4.3 million jobs in the first 27 months following the low point during his tenure, so he had slightly fewer than Obama.)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

Four-More? Don't you just hate it when facts make you the Dunce? I mean...really.

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