PennDOT: Too late to change I-83 brid...

PennDOT: Too late to change I-83 bridge replacement plan

There are 19 comments on the The York Daily Record story from Oct 15, 2010, titled PennDOT: Too late to change I-83 bridge replacement plan. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

State Department of Transportation officials will move ahead with replacing three bridges over Interstate 83 in Shrewsbury Township at the same time because it would cost a few hundred thousand dollars to delay the work.

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Common Sense Soldier

York, PA

#1 Oct 15, 2010
Gee, what's more??

The few hundred thousand dollars now....OR....the MILLIONS that will happen from the first lawsuit filed when someone dies or nearly dies as a result of an ambulance or medic unit arriving too late??

THINK PennDot, THINK!

Time for Ron Miller to do his job, and get this revised...NOW!
NObama

Annapolis, MD

#2 Oct 15, 2010
Common Sense Soldier wrote:
Gee, what's more??
The few hundred thousand dollars now....OR....the MILLIONS that will happen from the first lawsuit filed when someone dies or nearly dies as a result of an ambulance or medic unit arriving too late??
This is my Stimulus at its best.

I foresee boom times for gas stations (lots more miles being driven on the detours).

I foresee boom times for STAT Medivac

I foresee boom times for trial lawyers.

I am the best POTUS ever.
RKL

York, PA

#3 Oct 15, 2010
To the Honorable Ron Miller;

We need your help. There is no such thing as "too late", as Penndot asserts. Regardless of where the problem began or how long it has taken to be addressed, we are counting on YOU to ask Penndot to reconsider until a more reasonable solution can be tabled.

Respectfully,
DARK STAR

Mount Wolf, PA

#4 Oct 15, 2010
Seems It's always too late for this bunch.
concerned citizen

Glen Rock, PA

#5 Oct 15, 2010
I hope that whoever is in charge of making this decision from PenDot is on the other side of the bridge and needs help. Sorry to late!
leppy

United States

#6 Oct 16, 2010
What is really needed in this area is another exit between shrewsbury and glen rock....that 5 mile stretch is just too long for this built up area...Hain road with its new bridge and short 500' access road to the trail and being exactly in the middle of the other 2 exits makes it a perfect choice...put an exit there first then go ahead and close the other bridges one at at a time in sequence and give people an alternate place to get on and off the interstate or get past it...I am not an engineer/planner but you can't expect everybody to use the shrewsbury exit for the next 6 months to a year its going to take to do the proposed job on the new bridges.....One accident and the whole area will be in grid lock...Call your congressmen and representatives...be heard !!!!!
Interesting

United States

#7 Oct 16, 2010
When exactly was this meeting "2yrs ago"? Strange that this stimulus money was set aside for this project before the stimulus package.
Is PennDot being completely honest?
mark

Grenloch, NJ

#8 Oct 16, 2010
The important part of the story comes at the end: How well was that meeting two years ago covered? It should not have taken two years for the plan to become controversial!
FormerTownshipRe sident

York, PA

#9 Oct 16, 2010
Interesting wrote:
When exactly was this meeting "2yrs ago"? Strange that this stimulus money was set aside for this project before the stimulus package.
Is PennDot being completely honest?
The Fed Gov set up the stimulus program to fund “shovel ready” projects, work that was already being planned but that government agencies didn’t have money for. Penn DOT holds these local meetings in the design stage so they can address these types of concerns before they bid out the work and award a contract. Now that the contract was awarded, any changes to the project are a “Change Order” and will result in an increase or decrease to the projects total cost. Apparently the contractor feels that changing the work schedule will result in an increase due to longer construction times. The Township had their chance to speak up. Now we all will end up paying for their mistake.
Road Warrior

Annapolis, MD

#10 Oct 16, 2010
leppy wrote:
What is really needed in this area is another exit between shrewsbury and glen rock....that 5 mile stretch is just too long for this built up area..
Maybe, but turning Maryland Exit 37 into a full service complete interchange would be even better since most of the growth has been south of PA Exit 4. MD Exit 37 also connects easily to Stewartstown Road.
travel by right not privl

York, PA

#11 Oct 16, 2010
RKL wrote:
To the Honorable Ron Miller;
We need your help. There is no such thing as "too late", as Penndot asserts. Regardless of where the problem began or how long it has taken to be addressed, we are counting on YOU to ask Penndot to reconsider until a more reasonable solution can be tabled.
Respectfully,
whats so honorable about Ron Miller????? hes not for the people! hes the status quo, he never was and never will be a Statesmen!!!!!!!
the two bridges that are about to open, its about time they MILKED that job along. same as Kinsely milking the bridge job between Market st. & Rt. 30 exits,they had all summer and still no piers set yet. PENN DOT start hiring more efficent contractors.
Sue

Glen Rock, PA

#12 Oct 16, 2010
I see many posts urging Rep. Miller to become involved, but what about Sen. Mike Waugh?? He yields more power as a Senator than Ron Miller does as a Rep. Time for him to answer to the constituents about this poor decision made by PennDOT!
William Richardson

Stewartstown, PA

#13 Oct 16, 2010
Why should we expect anything less. They love causing traffic problems and could care less about emergencies. Saving money this must be a first.They spend lots of money on engineers so they can plan poorly.No common sense.
AMERICAN

Clifton Heights, PA

#14 Oct 16, 2010
Common Sense Soldier wrote:
Gee, what's more??
The few hundred thousand dollars now....OR....the MILLIONS that will happen from the first lawsuit filed when someone dies or nearly dies as a result of an ambulance or medic unit arriving too late??
You hit the nail on the head!
Mary

Glen Rock, PA

#15 Oct 17, 2010
In Penn-Dot's 'Infinite Wisdom'- this is normal. No thought or foresight into any complications/ramifications that may occur with their decisions. Closing 3 bridges in basically the same area, at the same time (while 2 other bridges that are being rebuilt are not even near completion)? What 'Genius' at Penn-Dot thought of this? What 'Genius' planned all this out?

It was probably the same 'Genius' who decided back in 2008 to close the bridge over the 'Little Falls' area of Rt. 851 in Shrewsbury Township during January (the dead of winter) when 851 was, and is, the only main road through our area. Oh, sure, they created a 'detour'- but these are country roads and if 851 was hazardous to travel during ice and snow, you bet the back roads 'detour' was even worse. And to top it all off, the kids had to walk approximately one mile to get the school bus because Southern would not send a bus down that closed stretch of road.

Does Penn-Dot and its managers/planners have any sense? I think NOT......I don't think they like Shrewsbury Township. Strange, I love living here. We really are a nice community. We just love traveling all those back roads, especially during ice and snow - makes the drive more exciting and interesting and keeps us WIDE-AWAKE!!!!!
Mary

Glen Rock, PA

#16 Oct 17, 2010
Oh, I forgot to add to my previous post - try contacting or emailing your complaint(s) to Penn-Dot. You might just get one response. The rest they ignore. Our complaints don't matter.
Penn-Dot appears to be an entity unto itself, accountable to no-one but itself. I would really like to know why that is.
If the 'common people' like us are the voice of reason, what does that make Penn-Dot?
Pink

Harrisburg, PA

#17 Oct 18, 2010
These aren't stimulus jobs you morons
ken

Annapolis, MD

#18 Oct 18, 2010
this is not a good idea to close 3 major bridges at the same time. local residents were not informed they just went ahead and do what ever they want with out informing the public. emergency tucks and ambulances will be pressed to respond quicky to those residents on the other side of the bridges! when someone dies or becomes greaty ill or if there is a fire and time is critical and someone loses there life who will be to blame. i know if it's me i will not be happy and someone or some company will be held liable. who ever thought of closing all 3 bridges at one time is an idiot.
mark

Englewood, CO

#19 Oct 19, 2010
@#17: Despite your needlessly hostile tone, you are correct, these particular bridge replacements are not in the group of about 428 highway projects in the state that are being financed by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (the stimulus). Pennsylvania has many miles of highway, and much need of repair of those roads. Using stimulus money to take care of part of this need has meant about 46,250 jobs in our state.

(Still, planning could have given greater consideration to the timing of construction).

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