Next step for the Stewartstown Railroad?

Next step for the Stewartstown Railroad?

There are 16 comments on the The York Daily Record story from Apr 24, 2010, titled Next step for the Stewartstown Railroad?. In it, The York Daily Record reports that:

New players have entered the discussion for the future of the Stewartstown Railroad Company.

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Cross Your Fingers

York, PA

#1 Apr 24, 2010
"What's the next step for the Stewartstown Railroad"?
Complete demolition, if we're lucky, before the York County Commissioners get too involved and attempt to build ANOTHER park along the right-of-way! Move the railroad to "High Point" along the Susquehanny and have Mitrick manage it.
mdterpmom

Troy, MI

#2 Apr 25, 2010
Would it be wonderful if someone had a bright idea and could get the rails back working 7 days a week. Historical train rides on weekends and communter travel Monday through Friday. Rebuilt the old North Central lines Baltimore - York and then use commuter trains from New Freedom and Stewartstown to connect with the York - Baltimore train. Think what it would be like no backups on I-83, the trail or other roads. Look at the amount of gas that could be saved. It would really improve the quality of life.
rail-trailroader

Little Valley, NY

#3 Apr 25, 2010
I think someone has finally got a clue as to what we want to do. Thank you mdterpmom, you can ride with us anytime. Real freight trains, commuter rail and excursion trains, if people took a look at the PennDOT 2035 rail plan they might realize this is exactly what we envision. We have to start small and grow from there.
C Landis

York, PA

#4 Apr 25, 2010
Certainly hope there is enough interest in preserving the Stewartstown Railroad; my children, their grandmother, friends and I would drive to Stewartstown on many occasions to ride the train, especially with Santa Claus being one of the passengers at Christmas time.
Sue the Nurse

New Freedom, PA

#5 Apr 25, 2010
mdterpmom,
I agree with you. I think rail service is a great idea. Codorus Creek Railway wants to run freight trains so they can encourage industry to the industrial zoned land in southern york county. This could bring jobs and much needed property tax relief to homeowners. I think this is very exciting. I have no idea why our county commisioners do not support the trains running on the NCR tracks. Does anyone know the story?
Man in Black

Lemoyne, PA

#6 Apr 25, 2010
mdterpmom wrote:
Would it be wonderful if someone had a bright idea and could get the rails back working 7 days a week. Historical train rides on weekends and communter travel Monday through Friday. Rebuilt the old North Central lines Baltimore - York and then use commuter trains from New Freedom and Stewartstown to connect with the York - Baltimore train. Think what it would be like no backups on I-83, the trail or other roads. Look at the amount of gas that could be saved. It would really improve the quality of life.
Never going to happen. The land cost in MD alone would put it out of reach. Add the northern Baltimore county residents would throw a fit. The are running a bus line from york to hunt valley,$5 one way. Last I heard the buses are mostly empty.

Even if you could get it done it would have to stop at HV. Where do you go from there? the light rail takes 45min to get downtown from HV.

While I agree it is a great thought, it simply is impractical at this time.
Man in Black

Lemoyne, PA

#7 Apr 25, 2010
Sue the Nurse wrote:
mdterpmom,
I agree with you. I think rail service is a great idea. Codorus Creek Railway wants to run freight trains so they can encourage industry to the industrial zoned land in southern york county. This could bring jobs and much needed property tax relief to homeowners. I think this is very exciting. I have no idea why our county commisioners do not support the trains running on the NCR tracks. Does anyone know the story?
The fastest they could go would be 30mph. Too slow for commuter train traffic. Even at 30mph cargo would be moving too slow. Then you will get all the complaints from those who live close to the NCR trail. Trains would be very loud to all those McMansions in baltimore county.
rail-trailroader

United States

#8 Apr 25, 2010
Man in Black wrote:
<quoted text>
Would it be wonderful if someone had a bright idea and could get the rails back working 7 days a week. Historical train rides on weekends and communter travel Monday through Friday. Rebuilt the old North Central lines Baltimore - York and then use commuter trains from New Freedom and Stewartstown to connect with the York - Baltimore train. Think what it would be like no backups on I-83, the trail or other roads. Look at the amount of gas that could be saved. It would really improve the quality of life.
mdterpmom,
I agree with you. I think rail service is a great idea. Codorus Creek Railway wants to run freight trains so they can encourage industry to the industrial zoned land in southern york county. This could bring jobs and much needed property tax relief to homeowners. I think this is very exciting. I have no idea why our county commisioners do not support the trains running on the NCR tracks. Does anyone know the story?

The fastest they could go would be 30mph. Too slow for commuter train traffic. Even at 30mph cargo would be moving too slow. Then you will get all the complaints from those who live close to the NCR trail. Trains would be very loud to all those McMansions in baltimore county.
Not sure where Man in Black gets his information, but he is misinformed. Trains would run at 60 mph, not 30 and the property is rail banked. The rail line was saved from abandonment through the rails to trails act. The rails were removed but can be replaced when the line is needed again for service. The prospects are good for rebuilding the line south from PA into Maryland and the 200 plus cars a day we would move are real. After almost five years of planning and research, the rail line that never should of been removed is about to see daylight again. O yea, the trail would still serve over a million users a year.
Man in Black

Washington, DC

#9 Apr 26, 2010
rail-trailroader wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure where Man in Black gets his information, but he is misinformed. Trains would run at 60 mph, not 30 and the property is rail banked. The rail line was saved from abandonment through the rails to trails act. The rails were removed but can be replaced when the line is needed again for service. The prospects are good for rebuilding the line south from PA into Maryland and the 200 plus cars a day we would move are real. After almost five years of planning and research, the rail line that never should of been removed is about to see daylight again. O yea, the trail would still serve over a million users a year.
last time york city council brought up the idea it was shot down because the speed of the trains would not be allowed that close to the trail.

I would not put any money down on that. even IF the rail goes in it will stop at HV. From there you can only go one place down the light rail. MD public transportation is horrible. you can not get from HV to greenspring station,Owings Mills, Whitemarsh, without a long trip downtown and back out by bus. I have tried going from York to my place of work.

1 hour to get by bus to HV
1 hour by Light rail to connect to the metro line
45 min by metro to Owings mills
20 min by bus to place of work.

Not too enticing is it?

I won't even go into the cost. Gasoline would have to hit 8 to 10 per gallon to even consider it as an option.
Railnut

York, PA

#10 Apr 26, 2010
If the tracks would go back on the old roadbed,the Hunt Valley and Timinioum area would be by-passed and would come into the LR system further south.As for MTA they have a 2 track main run it as such,run express trains and then also do locals,the times would drop by leaps and bounds. And as for the people who live near the tracks,get use to it in the late 60's when Pennsy ran the line 60 mph was the normal,and thats the way it should be....

As for the railbanked land Rail-Trailroader is dead on, if the people looked at the property lines it ends at the trackbed,they can mow it plant flowers in it and anything else they want,but in the county offices it states,that the land may be reclaimed for RR right of way with a notice period,to remove any self placed items from the limits,and if not done by that day,the RR or it's caontractor can and will do it
STRT volunteer

Dover, PA

#11 Apr 26, 2010
FYI, there is a group working on the Stew. RR several weekends a month, attempting to restore tourist service, possible freight in the future once an operator is designated for the NCR. As far as a trail along the track, forget it. There is no room for a trail there, and the fact is the ROW is almost on resident's front porch at places.
Railnut

York, PA

#12 Apr 26, 2010
Sue the Nurse wrote:
mdterpmom,
I agree with you. I think rail service is a great idea. Codorus Creek Railway wants to run freight trains so they can encourage industry to the industrial zoned land in southern york county. This could bring jobs and much needed property tax relief to homeowners. I think this is very exciting. I have no idea why our county commisioners do not support the trains running on the NCR tracks. Does anyone know the story?
Much of the reasoning for the lack of support is the way the dinner train was run,and the wrong way things were handled.One example-explain to people that diesels do not have anti-freeze and must either have all the water drained out or must be left running to keep them warm.....Don't say there running and thats all. Plus it would cost the county money to fix the railroad back up to a useable level
Man in Black

Washington, DC

#13 Apr 27, 2010
Railnut wrote:
If the tracks would go back on the old roadbed,the Hunt Valley and Timinioum area would be by-passed and would come into the LR system further south.As for MTA they have a 2 track main run it as such,run express trains and then also do locals,the times would drop by leaps and bounds. And as for the people who live near the tracks,get use to it in the late 60's when Pennsy ran the line 60 mph was the normal,and thats the way it should be....
As for the railbanked land Rail-Trailroader is dead on, if the people looked at the property lines it ends at the trackbed,they can mow it plant flowers in it and anything else they want,but in the county offices it states,that the land may be reclaimed for RR right of way with a notice period,to remove any self placed items from the limits,and if not done by that day,the RR or it's caontractor can and will do it
Bypass HV and Tim? So where would it run? you can't throw a rock in that area without hitting housing or business. Unless it goes through loch raven res. somehow I doubt they will let anything run along the water supply for the city.

I am sure that the right of way and all this if fine. However the $$$$ the people who live in N. baltimore county will spend to fight it will bring everything to a halt for many many years.

There is also the simple fact that no commuter rail in the world has shown a profit. All of them must be subsidized by the governments. How much does Amtrak get per year to stay in business? How much will this train ticket cost? The problem of it only going to a LR system that only goes downtown and takes FOREVER to get there is still unresolved. Don't get me wrong I would be all for a rail system York to Baltimore, but spending millions for a rail system that simply won't be used seems like a waste of money. As a cargo line....perhaps it will work. If they can get it through. As a passenger line......I just don't see it happening. Better to spend the money to get Md businesses up here.
Hugh Jass

Ephrata, PA

#14 Apr 27, 2010
What a waste of time and money. A bunch of nostalgic old heads
Bad Idea

Baltimore, MD

#15 Aug 9, 2011
The costs of keeping the railroad including, repair of the rails up to commuter or freight standards, maintainance, cost of minimal restoration of any cars is into the tens of millions of dollars. There are thousands of better ideas and money uses for the citizens of New Freedom, Stewartstown, Shrewsbury etc. The benefits of this rail system for just a handful of individuals is criminal in these days of financial crisis. Rails to Trails is not a better idea. George Hart's intention was to return the property to the original landowners. If so many people want a Rails to Trails, use the Heritage Trail. This trail is barely utilized and the costs to keep restoring rain damaged sections could bankrupt any township.
Rollin W Apgar

New Freedom, PA

#16 Sep 10, 2011
Hopefully we do not lose this piece of history.

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