Crash delays northern I-83 traffic

Full story: The York Daily Record

A crash involving two tractor-trailers is delaying traffic on Interstate 83 in Cumberland and York counties.
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Shteve

Harrisburg, PA

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Jul 21, 2008
 
I bet it was NOT alcohol related.
Irishgirl

York, PA

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Jul 21, 2008
 
Our daughter traveled on that road for 4 yrs to get to work in Harrisburg. At this hour in the morning it is so busy with workers and office employees trying to get the city to work. There were at least 2 accidents a month where she had to be rerouted to Fishingcreek rd. She always tried to leave early and even then at times was late because of ongoing accidents. Just people in a hurry and much congestion, bottle necking and people get impatient. Many motorist today do not use turn signals and just move one lane to another without signaling. So dangerous and thoughtless. It only takes a second to blink a signal. Sometimes it takes a life or injures another and impositions other drivers ; not to blink that signal.
barry bailey

Bethel Park, PA

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#3
Jul 21, 2008
 
i am surprised there is not a fatility every single day... this is just not right for that strech of highway, it is a death trap!!!!!!! they need to get on this an now... our roads in our state suck!!!! i have an idea rendell instead of fixing them, lets rent them out ...then who is responsible for our ugly road ways , all of our tax dollars are going to our criminal an welfare an our legislature.. people we need to wake up an now
Enough

York, PA

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Jul 21, 2008
 
This is so sad. Mostly all accidents can be avoided if the drivers use the common sens and courtesy they want in return. Always watch out for the other diver is always so true. People in a hurry. What sense is that. You sure don't get there faster when you cause an accident. You just delay and inconveinence yourself and others more. And sometimes you take an innocent life.

Did you ever see someone going around you because they are in a hurry. And up at the light there they sit in front of you only to have to wait anyway because there are mmore cars in front of them waiting for the red light.. What is that looking cool or just no common sense.
DnT

AOL

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Jul 21, 2008
 
Damn people go like hell in the left lane and at the last minute jump into right lane!
ustaxpayer

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Jul 21, 2008
 
Where are the State Police? I never troopers patroling 83. Speeding, tailgating, clearly aggressive drivers, unsafe lane changes. Your tax dollars NOT working.
altlandf

Mechanicsburg, PA

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Jul 21, 2008
 
The State Police and police are at the donut shop at that time in the morning. Alot of the wrecks on I 83, I 81 and the turnpike are truck drivers. I don't know how many times I hear about truck drivers causing accidents. Their top speed should be 45 MPH PERIOD. This speed should be programed into the the trucks engine. You would think that people that hold CLD's would understand they have to maintain a safe distance from them and cars. They should learn it takes more distance to stop a truck with a payload of 50,000 pounds or more? They also need to have a better way of getting rid of truckers that are on drugs and are sick.
Dale

New Egypt, NJ

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Jul 21, 2008
 
This has been the scene since the beginning of the Interstate System (and before). Take a drive around D.C., Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia (not even mentioning New York City) and on and on, at 7 a.m. until or 5 p.m. until. Not the roadways, State Police, or weather. Someone once said there are 946(?) nuts holding an auto together, but it only takes one behind the wheel to cause a catastrophe. Be prepared, as it could happen, again, this evening. Defensive Driving is your only chance. Do not be ONE of THEM. Too damn many people/vehicles.
Sandy

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#9
Jul 21, 2008
 
The poor women who died in this accident was in all probability doing nothing wrong and was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Deaths like these usually occur when a truck can not/ does not stop in time and the victim is squished to death by sheer force and weight from the truck behind them. Truckers who kill you usually dont get a scratch on themselves and rarely any legal action of any merit against them.
Concerned Citizen

Philadelphia, PA

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Jul 21, 2008
 
altlandf,
If you had a clue you would be dangerous. The area patrolled by the State Police is huge. They are responsible for not only the interstate but also every little burg that does not have its own police force. There are very few State police troopers on the road. Our illustrious Governor has seen fit to not increase the size of the force for several years. The jobs keep piling up with no more people to do them.

How would you like it if your bosses fired three people and then told you that you now have to fulfill not only tour job but their jobs also. Oh! and by the way, you are not entitled to overtime.

The point is, before you shoot off your mouth, get a few facts.

This area (83) is indeed horrible. There are so many stupid drivers in a hurry that have no clue what traffic laws are and like someone else posted, the ride in the left lane and at the last second at the split they try to push into the right lane. Very few people truly know what the little triangular sign at the on ramp means, they think you must give them a spot or if not they will just push in. Unfortunately, we will continue to see people dying senselessly in this area.
altlandf

Mechanicsburg, PA

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Jul 21, 2008
 
Concerned Citizen you need to get a clue. I lived with my foster dad and he was a LineHaul Supervisor for CF Freight. I learned alot from him about how the industry works. Why do they go 65 MPH or faster when they know they have a 80,000 pound load? I was watching WGAL news along with NBC Nightly News. They both had stories about truck drivers driving with medical conditions. They talked about four people that died when an 80,000 rig slamed into their car. 18 people died when a bus driver had heart attack. He had been in the hospital a number of times before he crashed the bus. I know how stupid the roads are. But truck drivers should be alot more aware what's going on because they drive the same roads over and over again. Another thing what happened to truckers talking to each other? How would you like to be the person that dies being squashed and on fire?
Concerned Citizen

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Jul 21, 2008
 
I agree with you about the truckers. They are forced to deliver heavier and heavier loads in less and less time. I would bet that most of the log books are forged and these folks are working way too long without breaks. I was making the point about your crack about the police being at a donut shop.

Since: Apr 08

Myerstown, PA

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Jul 21, 2008
 
altlandf wrote:
The State Police and police are at the donut shop at that time in the morning. Alot of the wrecks on I 83, I 81 and the turnpike are truck drivers. I don't know how many times I hear about truck drivers causing accidents. Their top speed should be 45 MPH PERIOD. This speed should be programed into the the trucks engine. You would think that people that hold CLD's would understand they have to maintain a safe distance from them and cars. They should learn it takes more distance to stop a truck with a payload of 50,000 pounds or more? They also need to have a better way of getting rid of truckers that are on drugs and are sick.
Think about It is better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
rukiddingme

Vincentown, NJ

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Jul 21, 2008
 
altlandf,
It is CDL not CLD. 45 mph. for trucks on any highway will cause more accidents. Especially when the traffic flow is going 70. You stay off the roads=less traffic. Accidents happen it is very sad, but that is life, may we all drive cautiously and safely. God Bless her family!
Kevlar

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Jul 21, 2008
 
Trucks should not be allowed in the left lane period. I am so sick of a trucker doing 53 mph and one behind him feels the need for speed so he swings into left lane traffic at the blinding speed of 54 miles per hour.
Enough

York, PA

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Jul 21, 2008
 
Concerned Citizen wrote:
altlandf,
If you had a clue you would be dangerous. The area patrolled by the State Police is huge. They are responsible for not only the interstate but also every little burg that does not have its own police force. There are very few State police troopers on the road. Our illustrious Governor has seen fit to not increase the size of the force for several years. The jobs keep piling up with no more people to do them.
How would you like it if your bosses fired three people and then told you that you now have to fulfill not only tour job but their jobs also. Oh! and by the way, you are not entitled to overtime.
The point is, before you shoot off your mouth, get a few facts.
This area (83) is indeed horrible. There are so many stupid drivers in a hurry that have no clue what traffic laws are and like someone else posted, the ride in the left lane and at the last second at the split they try to push into the right lane. Very few people truly know what the little triangular sign at the on ramp means, they think you must give them a spot or if not they will just push in. Unfortunately, we will continue to see people dying senselessly in this area.
Oh my God you are so right about the yeild triangle. People just act like they never see it. They almost run you into the left lane whether there is a car there or not. It has happened to me many times and then when they push you over they ride right along with you and don't let you get back into your original lane. And how about the ones that when you are at a stop sign pull up to your right and block your view so you have a hard time pulling out from the sign and it isn't even a turning lane. I don't understand when all this discourteous driving began. How about whenthe traffic is stopped because of an accident and cars ride up on the shoulder and push their way in after you have been sitting and waiting patiently in line.
CEB

Monroe Township, NJ

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Jul 21, 2008
 
To everyone that wants to blame this and other accidents on truckers. I agree there are truck drivers that should not be driving because of medical or other reasons. Yes, people have lost their lives in accidents with trucks. But if you were to compare the percentage of accidents, fatal and non-fatal involving commercial vehicles it is not as high as passenger vehicles.

I have driven charter buses, dump trucks and tractor-trailers in the past. I was also an on the road saleperson and in these jobs I put around 100K miles a year on. I had 3 accidents in the time I had these jobs. Only 1 was my fault, the other 2 were the fault of the other driver. How many of you have tried to stopped 80K pounds at 65mph when someone cuts you off or stopped without any warning?

I have seen people in cars and pick-up trucks putting on make-up. They have had a newspaper spread out over the steering wheel and reading it. The have had their laptop computer on their seat or steering wheel and were typing while driving. There have been many times I have seen drivers reading a book. These examples don't include shaving, doing your hair, and of course talking or texting on a cell phone.

Let's not forget about the magic exit game. It sems that every night the exit gremlin moves peoples exits. People will take the same exit every day, yet they will stay out in the left lane until the last minute. Then all at once they see where the gremlin moved their exit to this time. They will then shoot across in front of all the cars to get into the exit ramp.

Before you blame all accidents that involve a truck on the truck make sure it really was the truck drivers fault. It may take days or weeks to get the final answer.

Taxpayer

United States

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Jul 21, 2008
 
90percent of trucker thing they own the road and yes also people do drive crazy.
Pissed off

Harrisburg, PA

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#19
Jul 22, 2008
 
Just drove this piece of S4it road.

+ Truckers suck.- I'm tired of trucks in far left lane on three lane hills clearly marked "no trucks in left lane"

+ And whats so hard about staying to the right unless passing. These jackasses create huge jams by floating side by side at slow speeds.
Enough

York, PA

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Jul 22, 2008
 
CEB wrote:
To everyone that wants to blame this and other accidents on truckers. I agree there are truck drivers that should not be driving because of medical or other reasons. Yes, people have lost their lives in accidents with trucks. But if you were to compare the percentage of accidents, fatal and non-fatal involving commercial vehicles it is not as high as passenger vehicles.
I have driven charter buses, dump trucks and tractor-trailers in the past. I was also an on the road saleperson and in these jobs I put around 100K miles a year on. I had 3 accidents in the time I had these jobs. Only 1 was my fault, the other 2 were the fault of the other driver. How many of you have tried to stopped 80K pounds at 65mph when someone cuts you off or stopped without any warning?
I have seen people in cars and pick-up trucks putting on make-up. They have had a newspaper spread out over the steering wheel and reading it. The have had their laptop computer on their seat or steering wheel and were typing while driving. There have been many times I have seen drivers reading a book. These examples don't include shaving, doing your hair, and of course talking or texting on a cell phone.
Let's not forget about the magic exit game. It sems that every night the exit gremlin moves peoples exits. People will take the same exit every day, yet they will stay out in the left lane until the last minute. Then all at once they see where the gremlin moved their exit to this time. They will then shoot across in front of all the cars to get into the exit ramp.
Before you blame all accidents that involve a truck on the truck make sure it really was the truck drivers fault. It may take days or weeks to get the final answer.
You are so right about all these different types of drivers that are an accident waiting to happen. And mostly the worst offender is the cell phone user. They either drive slow and then speed up because the concentration is on the phone or they speed and move in and out of traffic with no regard for the person in front,behinor in the lane next to them. Watch the other driver I sure do when they are on a cell phone I am trying to guess what their next move is because they aren't thinking about it. We all need gaurdian angels with us on the roads.

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