Man Shot And Killed By Springfield Po...

Man Shot And Killed By Springfield Police

There are 90 comments on the WDTN Dayton story from Mar 6, 2008, titled Man Shot And Killed By Springfield Police. In it, WDTN Dayton reports that:

A suspect was shot and killed by a Springfield police officer Wednesday. Police said it started after an armed robbery involving drugs in the Ronez Manor apartment complex.

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Unfortunate

Dayton, OH

#82 Jan 19, 2011
I have read all of the comments. I knew Nathan as a child and played with him and his siblings and would call him friend if we met on the street. This was a very unfortunate event. Nathan and the Sergeant were the only 2 on scene. There were no other officers present. There was a video recording in the Sergeant's cruiser. So lets put this speculation to rest. Nathan exited the truck with a 44 magnum, loaded or unloaded isn't the point, how was the Sergeant to know? The video shows Nathan pointed his gun at the Sergeant. It even shows Nathan firing the gun. For those of you who talk about "aiming to wound," the video shows Nathan going to his knees, but continuing to point his gun. The Sergeant's fire can be heard to pause, more than once, to give Nathan a chance to drop his weapon, he never did. The Sergeant did not stop firing until the threat was no longer a threat.
The officers did not know the man's name before the incident, that is why they pursued him. They also did not know it was a drug user reporting the incident, not that it mattered. The drug user was a citizen, as was Nathan. They both had a past, but they are both still citizens. It was reported as a man with a gun robbing someone and fleeing. FLEEING from police with activated lights and sirens for appr 10 miles. Bottom line is Nathan could have pulled over and given up. Nathan could have thrown out the gun and the stolen drugs he was found with. Nathan could have gotten out of his truck without the gun. Nathan is the only one who is responsible for the way things ended that night. The Sergeant was only doing his job. He has the rest of his life to think about what else he could have done, but the bottom line is any other action on his part probably would have resulted in his not going home to HIS two small children and his wife. Obviously Nathan made the decision that he wasn't going BACK to prison, one way or another.
For those of you bad mouthing the Sergeant. Do you have any clue what the Chain of Command issue was in his file? It was a minor incident that had nothing to do with him as a person or a police officer. The press failed to report that he was honored by Mothers Against Drunk Drivers 6 or 7 times in the 12 yrs of his career. He also was selected as Officer of the Year by his peers. He received Honorable Mention for the same award another year. He was selected as Officer of the Year by the Sons of the American Revolution another year.
The Sergeant did not enjoy this situation and he will have to live with it for the rest of his life! He took his job to help people, not to end a life. I did know them both personally, so I know Nathan's family is not the only ones suffering from the outcome. The Sergeant is not unchanged.
reality check

Xenia, OH

#83 Jan 23, 2011
popswuzrite wrote:
I lived in New Carlisle for several years, I'm now in Portland,Oregon, which is a much bigger city, and on the west coast, where you'd think crime would be MUCH worse. When I see how bad it's gotten in that area of Ohio, I'm amazed.
Then I read some of the crybaby comments posted here about how the C R I M I N A L died from a cops bullet, while running from police in a place known as a drug and crime haven and I see how it got so nasty there. Those same people that criticize the police for shooting a CRIMINAL will be the same people criticising the cops for NOT doing their job when police DON'T shoot a CRIMINAL that killed one of their kids.
I'm so glad I got out, that whole place has become a sewer. And you can thank Mexico, the NAACP and Obama for that. But blaming the police is just blind ignorance.
It's funny you dog Democrats, yet the reason Portland is such a clean, safe city is due to its progressive, liberal-minded government, while Steve Austria and the other GOP goons who run Clark County keep this area a continued shithole!
Buckeyed Truth

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#84 Jan 23, 2011
Too bad they didn't shoot Leon Harrison
Chief

Cincinnati, OH

#85 Jan 23, 2011
Buckeyed Truth wrote:
Too bad they didn't shoot Leon Harrison
Maybe they'll be a misfire at his next Army gig
Hmmm

Cincinnati, OH

#86 Jan 28, 2011
Unfortunate wrote:
I have read all of the comments. I knew Nathan as a child and played with him and his siblings and would call him friend if we met on the street. This was a very unfortunate event. Nathan and the Sergeant were the only 2 on scene. There were no other officers present. There was a video recording in the Sergeant's cruiser. So lets put this speculation to rest. Nathan exited the truck with a 44 magnum, loaded or unloaded isn't the point, how was the Sergeant to know? The video shows Nathan pointed his gun at the Sergeant. It even shows Nathan firing the gun. For those of you who talk about "aiming to wound," the video shows Nathan going to his knees, but continuing to point his gun. The Sergeant's fire can be heard to pause, more than once, to give Nathan a chance to drop his weapon, he never did. The Sergeant did not stop firing until the threat was no longer a threat.
The officers did not know the man's name before the incident, that is why they pursued him. They also did not know it was a drug user reporting the incident, not that it mattered. The drug user was a citizen, as was Nathan. They both had a past, but they are both still citizens. It was reported as a man with a gun robbing someone and fleeing. FLEEING from police with activated lights and sirens for appr 10 miles. Bottom line is Nathan could have pulled over and given up. Nathan could have thrown out the gun and the stolen drugs he was found with. Nathan could have gotten out of his truck without the gun. Nathan is the only one who is responsible for the way things ended that night. The Sergeant was only doing his job. He has the rest of his life to think about what else he could have done, but the bottom line is any other action on his part probably would have resulted in his not going home to HIS two small children and his wife. Obviously Nathan made the decision that he wasn't going BACK to prison, one way or another.
For those of you bad mouthing the Sergeant. Do you have any clue what the Chain of Command issue was in his file? It was a minor incident that had nothing to do with him as a person or a police officer. The press failed to report that he was honored by Mothers Against Drunk Drivers 6 or 7 times in the 12 yrs of his career. He also was selected as Officer of the Year by his peers. He received Honorable Mention for the same award another year. He was selected as Officer of the Year by the Sons of the American Revolution another year.
The Sergeant did not enjoy this situation and he will have to live with it for the rest of his life! He took his job to help people, not to end a life. I did know them both personally, so I know Nathan's family is not the only ones suffering from the outcome. The Sergeant is not unchanged.
As I read between the lines I am not seeing you as this mans longtime friend but maybe a friend of the officer. You know to much detail and are maybe sticking up for him? Isn't this the 2nd man he has shot so far!?
evil conservative

Marysville, OH

#87 Jan 28, 2011
Concerned Grown Up wrote:
Here's a thought. Did you notice that on none of the documentation did it say that the suspect even attempted to fire the weapon? And in the other officers reports only one of them had drawn his gun and fired at the suspect? They are still trying to figure out if the suspect even fired his weapon at all. Isn't it illegal for the police to fire their weapons unless they are fired upon first? You all need to be adults about it and have enough respect for the officer and the family of the man who was shot to stop all the name calling and bickering. No one but the people there know what happened so stop the nosy speculations.
I don't know even one thing about this shooting but I can assure you of this: THE POLICE DO NOT HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE FIRED UPON TO RETURN FIRE. What should be illegal is your stupid comments.
Unfortunate

United States

#88 Feb 2, 2011
Hmmm wrote:
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As I read between the lines I am not seeing you as this mans longtime friend but maybe a friend of the officer. You know to much detail and are maybe sticking up for him? Isn't this the 2nd man he has shot so far!?
Maybe you should read the lines instead of between them. I stated I knew Nathan as a child and would consider him a friend if we met on the street today. I was friends with his sister and brothers in elementary. I am a friend of the officer and do believe he needs someone to stick up for him. Many people on here comment that they know the truth, such as "Insider" "Facts are Facts" "The_Ghost_09", etc. It is all on video. Nathan got out of the truck with a 44 magnum, raised it and the officer responded. The video shows Nathan pointing the gun at the officer and pulling the trigger. The audio reveals that the officer stopped firing, twice, to give Nathan a chance to drop his weapon. He did not and the officer fired again until the threat stopped. Nathan went to his knees, but continued to point the weapon at the officer. Nathan did not drop his weapon until he went to the ground.
The news media did not tell about the ways the officer has helped literally hundreds of people, who do not agree with Ghost_09 and think he should be off the force. It also does not tell about the numerous awards and citations the officer has received. I could list many things, but the point I am trying to make is the officer did not do this just because he could. He knows how many people were affected by the choices made by Nathan and himself that night. The officer is a caring man who now suffers greatly for having to take a life. Few know that the officer was in Nathan's sister's class in school, considered her a friend as well as his two older brothers and played with them at their home.
I could go on forever here, but there are many good things that were not released about the officer. Just because he was forced to take a life does not make him a bad man, just as Nathan's past does not reveal who he truly may have been. There are people who loved Nathan despite any faults he may have had. It is unfair to judge either for their actions that night. If you did not personally know them, please refrain from making comments about them as a person.
Unfortunate

United States

#89 Feb 2, 2011
Hmmm wrote:
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As I read between the lines I am not seeing you as this mans longtime friend but maybe a friend of the officer. You know to much detail and are maybe sticking up for him? Isn't this the 2nd man he has shot so far!?
Not that it matters, but the officer has not previously shot anyone. In fact, there have been other incidents where he would have been justified in shooting, but didn't. This just illustrates that he truly felt his life was in danger that night.
Hmmm

Cincinnati, OH

#90 Feb 12, 2011
Unfortunate wrote:
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Maybe you should read the lines instead of between them. I stated I knew Nathan as a child and would consider him a friend if we met on the street today. I was friends with his sister and brothers in elementary. I am a friend of the officer and do believe he needs someone to stick up for him. Many people on here comment that they know the truth, such as "Insider" "Facts are Facts" "The_Ghost_09", etc. It is all on video. Nathan got out of the truck with a 44 magnum, raised it and the officer responded. The video shows Nathan pointing the gun at the officer and pulling the trigger. The audio reveals that the officer stopped firing, twice, to give Nathan a chance to drop his weapon. He did not and the officer fired again until the threat stopped. Nathan went to his knees, but continued to point the weapon at the officer. Nathan did not drop his weapon until he went to the ground.
The news media did not tell about the ways the officer has helped literally hundreds of people, who do not agree with Ghost_09 and think he should be off the force. It also does not tell about the numerous awards and citations the officer has received. I could list many things, but the point I am trying to make is the officer did not do this just because he could. He knows how many people were affected by the choices made by Nathan and himself that night. The officer is a caring man who now suffers greatly for having to take a life. Few know that the officer was in Nathan's sister's class in school, considered her a friend as well as his two older brothers and played with them at their home.
I could go on forever here, but there are many good things that were not released about the officer. Just because he was forced to take a life does not make him a bad man, just as Nathan's past does not reveal who he truly may have been. There are people who loved Nathan despite any faults he may have had. It is unfair to judge either for their actions that night. If you did not personally know them, please refrain from making comments about them as a person.
As I read the lines and in between them you are saying the same thing. You were a friend and you are also the one that took him down.
evil conservative

Marysville, OH

#91 Feb 12, 2011
Not familiar with the case, but it sounds to me the only thing the officer did wrong was to stop firing...twice ????...to give Nathan a chance. That kind of mindset will get you killed.

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