Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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#72865 May 2, 2014
Eric wrote:
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So straight people who can't procreate shouldn't be allowed to marry. Both gay people and straight people can love their spouse and parent (adoption) even if they can't procreate.
HUGH says that you're bisexual (more homosexual than straight).

Well, anyway.
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#72866 May 2, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Don't confuse infertility with sexual orientation.
Au contraire.

You said: "Does it make any sense for a homo to aspire for the same things - marriage, procreation and parenting - that straight people indulge in? "

So, in your mind the reason why they shouldn't aspire to what straight people have is because they can't procreate and parent--but they can parent.

So if procreation is a requirement for marriage it should be a requirement for all to marry.

And, what do you do with the gay people who do procreate and then their spouse adopts the child?

Your argument fails.
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#72867 May 2, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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HUGH says that you're bisexual (more homosexual than straight).
Well, anyway.
Hugh is an arse

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#72868 May 2, 2014
Eric wrote:
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Both gay people and straight people can love their spouse and parent (adoption) even if they can't procreate.
Love for parents is very different from love for spouse with the latter having more to do with lust or animal attraction than anything else.

Men lusting after men is gay behavior.

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#72869 May 2, 2014
Eric wrote:
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So, in your mind the reason why they shouldn't aspire to what straight people have is because they can't procreate and parent--but they can parent.
To rear a kid in a gay household is improper - a child needs both father's as well as mother's inputs for healthy mental/emotional growth.

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#72871 May 2, 2014
Eric wrote:
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So if procreation is a requirement for marriage it should be a requirement for all to marry.
Man-woman sexual attraction and temperamental compatibility are prerequisites for marriage.

Procreation is a major aim of marriage unless infertility comes in the way.

Yes, normal men/women should marry, unless, despite being normal where sexual orientation is concerned, they decide to remain single for whatsoever personal reasons.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#72872 May 2, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Gays should lobby for its ban as it teaches HATRED for their community.
In the US, there are laws protecting free speech. Even hate speech. You can even advocate violence against a group, as long as you aren't using "fighting words".(Words likely to start an immediate fight.)
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#72873 May 2, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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To rear a kid in a gay household is improper - a child needs both father's as well as mother's inputs for healthy mental/emotional growth.
So, all those single parent households should have their kids taken away by the state.6376

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#72874 May 2, 2014
Eric wrote:
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Hugh is an arse
Hugh is an inferior cruff with a bigoted mind.

But, I think, what he said about you being bisexual (more homosexual than straight) is true...

Well, that's your problem.
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#72875 May 2, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Love for parents is very different from love for spouse with the latter having more to do with lust or animal attraction than anything else.
Men lusting after men is gay behavior.
And, that should deprive people of the right to marry because.......... So far all you've offered is procreation and parenting. But you haven't explained why the same should not apply to straight people who can't have children. Nor for straight people who choose not to have children.

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#72876 May 2, 2014
Eric wrote:
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And, what do you do with the gay people who do procreate and then their spouse adopts the child?
I've never heard of a homosexual procreating with a female via sexual intercourse unless it is engineered by invitro method.

A bisexual man can procreate through sexual means.

A lesbian may procreate through sexual intercourse since she remains the passive receiver during the sexual act with a straight male.

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#72877 May 2, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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To rear a kid in a gay household is improper - a child needs both father's as well as mother's inputs for healthy mental/emotional growth.
http://www.salon.com/2012/09/04/gay_couples_h...

A five-year review of eighty-one parenting studies published in the 2010 Journal of Marriage and Family, for example, reported that children raised by same-sex parents are “statistically indistinguishable” from those raised by straight parents in terms of self-esteem, academics, and social adjustment. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Child Welfare League of America, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Medical Association, and the American Psychological Association all agree that same-sex couples are just as fit to parent as their heterosexual counterparts.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#72878 May 2, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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If a homo is comfortable with his homosexuality it is less troublesome for him but why should gays wish to imitate heterosexuals where marriage, procreation and parenting are concerned when they lack the heterosexual capacities for the same?
Does it make any sense for a homo to aspire for the same things - marriage, procreation and parenting - that straight people indulge in?
Be gay, have sex with dozens of men, dress flamboyantly, live-in with a man and comfort each other in your old age.
Homosexuals should stop imitating straight people.
Like when black slaves wanted to "imitate" free people?

Why is homophobia more ok with you than racism? Or any other form of bigotry?

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#72880 May 2, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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Who spoke about JEWS and slavery? I certainly did NOT.
However, now that you mention it are you aware that Jews played a MAJOR role in the slave trade?
Finally although your post was not directed to me given the context you are implying that I spoke about JEWS and slavery and so QUOTE my words where I did that and give post number.
Do NOT come with any deception or perversion just do as you are told.
Jews are people. There will be great ones, and nasty ones. Black Africans played a MAJOR role in the slave trade, too.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#72881 May 2, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>And, that should deprive people of the right to marry because.......... So far all you've offered is procreation and parenting. But you haven't explained why the same should not apply to straight people who can't have children. Nor for straight people who choose not to have children.
Married 26 years this month. No kids by choice. Didn't plan it that way, just never got around to it. No regrets either.

Guess Joel would nullify our marriage or he wouldn't have let us marry in the first place.

Perhaps his virgin state gives him special insights into relationship parameters.

He knows he's smarter and better then just about everyone.

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#72882 May 2, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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A five-year review of eighty-one parenting studies published in the 2010 Journal of Marriage and Family, for example, reported that children raised by same-sex parents are “statistically indistinguishable” from those raised by straight parents in terms of self-esteem, academics, and social adjustment. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Child Welfare League of America, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Medical Association, and the American Psychological Association all agree that same-sex couples are just as fit to parent as their heterosexual counterparts.
It is still not normal.

Those "studies" are too superficial to account for deeper subconscious patterns and finer personality instincts.

Often studies are fudged or tweaked due to pressure lobbies as shown by Henry Makow and others
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#72883 May 2, 2014
Eric----I am disassociating myself from your allegations.

HughBe--- You can go into the arms of Satan but YOU cannot DISASSOCIATE yourself from something that YOU reckless introduced and not only that but you sought to DISTORT and REWRITE history. YOU introduced JEWS into the discussion when they were NOT under consideration. FYI, what was being discussed was homosexuality and then the madness of comparing it to slavery. No one was being blamed by me for anything.

Having said these things, I understand why you habitually do these things. YOU do such things because you are paranoid and have a victim mentality. You flee when no one pursues you and that is a fact. You fightback when you are not being attacked and that is a fact. You are paranoid and that is a fact.

So let us get back to your words which are patently STUPID and DECEPTIVE and words that had no relevance to the discussion especially the first part. Recall your words, "Let's make sure there is no misunderstanding:"

Explain the MISUNDERSTANDING that you sought to clarify when no one was talking about JEWS?

YOU went on to say " You need to understand that the Jews stood by the Blacks/African Americans from the turn of the last century thru the civil rights era and to today. Jews were among the original founders and financiers of the NAACP. Jews died in the south with the Blacks/African Americans in the 1960's. Don't pin the Christian killers actions on us. Since at least the turn of the last century, we were on the side of the Black/African Americans."

YOU were told that I did not speak about about JEWS and slavery. YOU were also told that since YOU mentioned it Jews played a MAJOR role in the slave trade?

Then this post of yours DISASSOCIATING yourself from my "allegations"

As a lawyer do you know the meaning of ALLEGATIONS?

Here is a TRUSTWORTHY source for my WICKED allegation.

It is taken from the works of a LEADING RABBI and his name is Rabbi Marc Lee Raphael. Tell me about this RABBI and do discredit him as you and others sought to discredit Ovadia Yosef when his HATE was inconvenient to you.

Rabbi Marc Lee Raphael.---"Jews also took an ACTIVE part in the Dutch colonial slave trade; indeed, the BYLAWS of the Recife and Mauricia congregations (1648) included an imposta (JEWISH TAX) of five soldos for each Negro slave a Brazilian Jew purchased from the West Indies Company. SLAVE AUCTIONS were POSTPONED if they fell ON a JEWISH holiday. In Curacao in the seventeenth century, as well as in the British colonies of Barbados and Jamaica in the eighteenth century, Jewish merchants played a MAJOR role in the slave trade. IN FACT, in ALL the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, JEWISH MERCHANTS frequently DOMINATED.

Eric---And, Blacks had an even greater role in the slave trade. However, through each groups subsequent actions I think they have atoned for their mistakes.

HughBe--- It is time to take your medication. Africans and I speak of those involved had no CONCEPT of what happened under slavery BUT the MERCHANTS did. Merchants KNEW the conditions on their ships plus the conditions on the plantations

Go rewrite history but here is a friendly tip the world is no longer in the dark ages. Things are KNOWN and PROVABLE.

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#72884 May 2, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Another HOMO, Rose NoHO, is online to defend homosexuality/gays.
LOL.
If a person defends their own idea, in this case the rights of homosexuals, makes that person a homo, this means you are a homophobe. And for some reason I'm not surprised about that.

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#72885 May 2, 2014
former res wrote:
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Like when black slaves wanted to "imitate" free people?
Naturally, enslaved people would dream of being free like their masters who own them.

It was wrong on the part of whites to enslave blacks and use them as free labor to be milked for their physical work, sold, resold, brutalized, raped, tortured and murdered.

No one should enslave anyone.

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#72886 May 2, 2014
former res wrote:
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Why is homophobia more ok with you than racism? Or any other form of bigotry?
No one fears homosexuals.

Gays are objects of mockery, pity and disgust.

Hatred of homosexuals or of other races should be eschewed.

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