Messianic Jews say they are persecute...

Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70990 Apr 7, 2014
former res wrote:
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My wife double majored in French (and government) so I'm counting on her to help with the language when we make it there. She's been there as she lived her junior year of college in Geneva and traveled through Europe.
Cool. The French are xenophobic when it comes to language. Good to know French when in France. It smoothens the way and makes the locals happy. I can't understand this Anglo-Franco language war. English has beaten French and made it as the global lingua franca and much to the angst of the French some elite educational and research institutions in France like the Louis Pasteur have switched to English.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70992 Apr 7, 2014
former res wrote:
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I only ask because I do believe you mentioned a Gentlemen's club recently, in India I think??
Which is the gentlemen's club in Mumbai that I mentioned?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70993 Apr 7, 2014
former res wrote:
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Do you have a favorite neighborhood in Paris?
Latin Quarter is bohemian and dotted with some good higher academic institutions and St Germain is filled with Africans running cheap eateries these days. Bonaparte offering cheap fare stands out. Champs Elysees is nice.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70994 Apr 7, 2014
former res wrote:
I can visit fancy stores in NYC, or Greenwich, Connecticut - right down the road from here. Or Boston. or Rodeo Drive.
No, no. Paris used to be the mecca of high fashion. Not anymore but it has still retained some of its old verve in this area. The ramp shows are sizzling. The Parisian haute couture scene is classier and has that stamp of originality when compared to the haute salons in the US. An individual haute couture salon is very different from a luxury store like say Saks.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70995 Apr 7, 2014
former res wrote:
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Avoid the whole country of Greece?

You don't agree?

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Simple tip - avoid a place in deep economic crisis as the stress is visible everywhere and people's attitudes in times of poor finances change for the worse.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70996 Apr 7, 2014
former res wrote:
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Or as we would call it here, "brake fluid."

Sounds like it was an easy fix.

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Typo - it should have been brake fluid.

Yes, easy job.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#70997 Apr 7, 2014
former res wrote:
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I hope you are feeling better soon.
No, it will end in my death at a young age or leave me insane or paralyzed.

I can't speak about it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#70998 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe--- Understand, in the real world naturalization makes one a RESIDENT of a particular country and so help me with your parallel and tell me where do these CONVERTS live? Which country do they live in? Do they live in ISRAEL?

Hint: where does a naturalized American live?

Adam---They are part of the Jewish Nation no matter where they live.

HughBe--- Son, you have NOT understood your own parallel so how do you expect to understand a higher level of thinking?

HughBe--- First, what are they converting to? Are they converting to the nation or to the religion JUDAISM?

Adam---Both

HughBe--- How does one COVERT from one biological state into another? Explain the scientific process that would make YOU become the BIOLOGICAL relative of mine via religion.

Also, are you saying that such CONVERTS in Jamaica have land rights in Israel?
Tell me about the land rights in ISRAEL of converts from ALL over the world.

Adam---They have none(land rights) other than a right to RETURN and live in the land of Israel

HughBe--- Listen well genius, I want you to INSTRUCT your fellow special people that one CANNOT RETURN to where s/he or his ancestors did NOT come from. Also, who on EARTH can deny any JEW of the land given to them by God? Can your rabbis do so? Can the Israeli Government do so? Mightier are your masters than their Creator, in your mind and in theirs.

Now son, keep in mind that converts are JEWS and ALL Jews have God-given rights to the land and this is my unshakable position not just in the current context.

HughBe--- Such a statement is what makes me know that people at your level follow others blindly.

Adam---Your ignorance exceeds your Hu-bris

HughBe---Am I not Hu-gh? How can I exceed myself by being Hu-bris?

HughBe---Lesson: When a person becomes a naturalized citizen of the US the person LIVES in the US and this is completely OPPOSITE to what obtains in your naturalization process that you absurdly claim "makes JEWS like every OTHER nation on EARTH".
In the context ,see lesson, tell me where on EARTH is the nation JEWS ? I can find Jamaica and the US etc so help me with the nation called JEWS. Recall YOU said, "naturalization process is what makes Jews like every other nation on earth"

Adam---Lesson: Jews are a Nation with a homeland in the land of Israel. Are the Cherokees a Nation? Are the Roma a Nation ? Are the Kurds a Nation. Some Nations have no states.

HughBe--- Son, YOU made the parallel of Jews with nation states which was and still is BS. Stop deceiving your silly little self.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71000 Apr 7, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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Who was King David's great-grandmother?
HughBe---So one born in his household would have been a CONVERT to Abraham's religion BASED ON THE WORDS OF GOD BUT WAS NOT ABRAHAM'S SEED or FAMILY.

Adam---Who was King David's great-grandmother?

HughBe---Given the context meaning my words above your words and yours below mine, I sincerely hope that you do not think that Ruth, David's great-grandmother, was the great-grand-mother of Abraham. Do you?

Are you saying to me that Abraham's SEEDS included those who are not his BIOLOGICAL children?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71001 Apr 7, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
Which is the gentlemen's club in Mumbai that I mentioned?
As I recall you only the mentioned the fact of it, not the name of it.

Perhaps you had been there or were going there.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71002 Apr 7, 2014
Dear Adam, I want you to reread your sheer BS below as I believe that if you are able to understand your own words you shall shut up and appear to be semi-sensible.

Adam---Additionally, just as EVERY other NATION, JEWS also have naturalization laws to become part of that nation.

Adam--- The naturalization process is what makes Jews LIKE every other NATION on earth.

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Adam---Lesson: Jews are a Nation with a homeland in the land of Israel. Are the Cherokees a Nation? Are the Roma a Nation ? Are the Kurds a Nation. Some Nations have no states.

HughBe--- Son, YOU made the parallel of Jews with nation states which was and still is BS. Stop deceiving your silly little self.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71003 Apr 7, 2014
Address the post below.

Adam--- 1. "No one can CONVERT to become an Arab, Japanese, black or white. Those are all ethnicities."
2. You also said "A person BORN a Jew"

HughBe----Explain the difference between 1& 2 .

Now you have said that people are BORN Jews and also that people can become Jews by CONVERSION. Effectively you have also said that people are BORN Arabs etc. so explain to me why others cannot CONVERT and become Arabs just like the case of JEWS.

Explain in details the logic and TRUTH of your sentiments.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71004 Apr 7, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
Simple tip - avoid a place in deep economic crisis as the stress is visible everywhere and people's attitudes in times of poor finances change for the worse.
I see.

How about Italy? Perhaps not as bad but still in some trouble.

This is part of why I would avoid Athens and stick to the islands.

Our middle class is disappearing as well. Avoid the US. Bad. fat, stupid people here. Esp down south.:)

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#71005 Apr 7, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

As I recall you only the mentioned the fact of it, not the name of it.

Perhaps you had been there or were going there.
Starboard in the Hotel Taj Mahal Palace and Tower. It's a mixed gender nightclub with a rare mens only or ladies only night.

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#71006 Apr 7, 2014
Good night. Bye.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71007 Apr 7, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
As I recall you only the mentioned the fact of it, not the name of it.
Perhaps you had been there or were going there.
JOEL COOL DUDE---Which is the gentlemen's club in Mumbai that I mentioned?

Former---As I recall you only the mentioned the fact of it, not the name of it.

Perhaps you had been there or were going there.

HughBe--- I believe that both of you would fit in just fine.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#71008 Apr 7, 2014
Adam---They have none(land rights) other than a right to RETURN and live in the land of Israel

HughBe--- Given that they/CONVERTS are Jews why the PREJUDICE and lack of EQUALITY in treatment?

Are they LESSER Jews? If yes? Explain.

Is it not against the TORAH to be UNFAIR?

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

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#71009 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
HughBe--- Understand, in the real world naturalization makes one a RESIDENT of a particular country and so help me with your parallel and tell me where do these CONVERTS live? Which country do they live in? Do they live in ISRAEL?
Hint: where does a naturalized American live?
Adam---They are part of the Jewish Nation no matter where they live.
HughBe--- Son, you have NOT understood your own parallel so how do you expect to understand a higher level of thinking?
HughBe--- First, what are they converting to? Are they converting to the nation or to the religion JUDAISM?
Adam---Both
HughBe--- How does one COVERT from one biological state into another? Explain the scientific process that would make YOU become the BIOLOGICAL relative of mine via religion.
Also, are you saying that such CONVERTS in Jamaica have land rights in Israel?
Tell me about the land rights in ISRAEL of converts from ALL over the world.
Adam---They have none(land rights) other than a right to RETURN and live in the land of Israel
HughBe--- Listen well genius, I want you to INSTRUCT your fellow special people that one CANNOT RETURN to where s/he or his ancestors did NOT come from. Also, who on EARTH can deny any JEW of the land given to them by God? Can your rabbis do so? Can the Israeli Government do so? Mightier are your masters than their Creator, in your mind and in theirs.
Now son, keep in mind that converts are JEWS and ALL Jews have God-given rights to the land and this is my unshakable position not just in the current context.
HughBe--- Such a statement is what makes me know that people at your level follow others blindly.
Adam---Your ignorance exceeds your Hu-bris
HughBe---Am I not Hu-gh? How can I exceed myself by being Hu-bris?
HughBe---Lesson: When a person becomes a naturalized citizen of the US the person LIVES in the US and this is completely OPPOSITE to what obtains in your naturalization process that you absurdly claim "makes JEWS like every OTHER nation on EARTH".
In the context ,see lesson, tell me where on EARTH is the nation JEWS ? I can find Jamaica and the US etc so help me with the nation called JEWS. Recall YOU said, "naturalization process is what makes Jews like every other nation on earth"
Adam---Lesson: Jews are a Nation with a homeland in the land of Israel. Are the Cherokees a Nation? Are the Roma a Nation ? Are the Kurds a Nation. Some Nations have no states.
HughBe--- Son, YOU made the parallel of Jews with nation states which was and still is BS. Stop deceiving your silly little self.
Do you have anything of value to add or not?

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#71010 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Address the post below.
Adam--- 1. "No one can CONVERT to become an Arab, Japanese, black or white. Those are all ethnicities."
2. You also said "A person BORN a Jew"
HughBe----Explain the difference between 1& 2 .
Now you have said that people are BORN Jews and also that people can become Jews by CONVERSION. Effectively you have also said that people are BORN Arabs etc. so explain to me why others cannot CONVERT and become Arabs just like the case of JEWS.
Explain in details the logic and TRUTH of your sentiments.
Can a person CONVERT to Arab?

If you are truthful you will have your answer.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#71011 Apr 7, 2014
HughBe wrote:
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JOEL COOL DUDE---Which is the gentlemen's club in Mumbai that I mentioned?
Former---As I recall you only the mentioned the fact of it, not the name of it.
Perhaps you had been there or were going there.
HughBe--- I believe that both of you would fit in just fine.
Hey. mon. Where u been? Hope you didn't fall down again and break your glasses.

You still owe me a reply from 2-3 days ago.

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