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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#63544 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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In reading your "You know, Hugh," I am reminded of the opinion of others which basically is that, I know all things. The correctness of such a view can be argued but I can understand where they are coming from. That aside, you are being encourage to stick to this widely accepted rule of thumb.
Against this background and against the background of truth I now declare that I can answer the question in a logical, scriptural and honest way BUT I shall not do so at this time.
You must have REALLY low intellectual standards to even consider that anyone would buy that pathetic excuse
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63545 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Eric---did you ever notice that every time you give the list it gets SHORTER and SHORTER?
HughBe--- My poor Eric, unlike you I NEVER notice what has no existence. Why are you a compulsive liar? The shorter list is below now post your longer list.
Do you understand the conversation?
Can you explain to me why I have omitted ONE name i.e. Israel from the list?
Let me explain it to you. I have omitted Israel because I assumed that even YOU know that they were called Hebrews. So, I gave the remainder of your list except for Israel purely to help the simple i.e. YOU.
I shall not ask you to post your progressively shorter lists. You cannot post what does not exist.
Now post your FULL list.
Give sources that call my progressively "shorter" list, Hebrews.
LIST(my shortened list):
Midian
Zimran
Shuah
Jokshan
Ishbak
Medan
Original posted list http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/judaism/T...

Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael.

And don't forget about the descendants of Abraham's other sons:
Issac
Midian
Zimran
Shuah
Jokshan
Ishbak
Medan

Remember that Issac had another son other than Jacob. The descendants of Esau are Hebrews also.
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63546 Dec 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You must have REALLY low intellectual standards to even consider that anyone would buy that pathetic excuse
Remember the toddler game you show me yours and I'll show you mine? Hugh is still playing the game.

Since: Aug 11

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#63547 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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My dear Cunti, I know that the discussion is not going over your head, so far. So be more balanced.
Required of Eric :
1. repost something that he claims that was posted already. Is this hard?
2. Give ONE bible text that calls anyone in his list Hebrews, not including Israel.
3. Note, thinking is not required or use of logic etc. all that is required of him is to demonstrate knowledge.
4. Jesus' genealogy is a different matter. Eric literally has hundreds of unanswered questions from me over many years. So there is no need for crippled excuses as he knows that what I say is true. Perhaps he does not know because he is challenged mathematically.
You first.

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#63548 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
...I now declare that I can answer the question in a logical, scriptural and honest way BUT I shall not do so at this time.
I don't know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you if you actually think you're convincing anyone that you have a logical, honest answer.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#63549 Dec 2, 2013
Rick Moss wrote:
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Au contraire. Both you and Frijoles are hilarious. Only difference being, he's INTENTIONALLY funny.
rabbee: and you are both, intentionally insane against G-D.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#63550 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Remember the toddler game you show me yours and I'll show you mine? Hugh is still playing the game.
Except that he has nothing to show, and he knows it. There are several hundreds of millions of Christians, alive and before his time, and NOT ONE of them have provided a logically acceptable answer to this conundrum.

We have no reason to believe that Hugh is more brilliant than any of these people, past or present.

So really, he has two choices.

One, a negotiated surrender under fair and favorable terms (basically an acknowledgement that his religion is not based on logic, an apology for being a royal paux, and a promise not to berate anyone anymore), or;

Two, to dig himself in to an outlandishly stupid position and continue to look sillier and sillier..

Should we be shocked which choice he gravitated towards?

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#63551 Dec 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Should we be shocked which choice he gravitated towards?
Isn't the answer obvious?
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63552 Dec 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Except that he has nothing to show, and he knows it. There are several hundreds of millions of Christians, alive and before his time, and NOT ONE of them have provided a logically acceptable answer to this conundrum.
We have no reason to believe that Hugh is more brilliant than any of these people, past or present.
So really, he has two choices.
One, a negotiated surrender under fair and favorable terms (basically an acknowledgement that his religion is not based on logic, an apology for being a royal paux, and a promise not to berate anyone anymore), or;
Two, to dig himself in to an outlandishly stupid position and continue to look sillier and sillier..
Should we be shocked which choice he gravitated towards?
I'd settle for an admission on his part that he had not thought through his hypothesis completely nor thought to apply it to Jesus as described in the New Testament. Then we can move on. We have all had the opportunity on here to bite our tongue and admit mistakes. Hugh should not be made to do more.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63553 Dec 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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In other words, dont worry - the check is in the mail...
Now that is a surprise.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63554 Dec 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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You must have REALLY low intellectual standards to even consider that anyone would buy that pathetic excuse
Am I a rabbi? NO= Am I a liar? NO

Am I like you? NO

So the only things that are pathetic are the minds of those who do not believe me.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#63555 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
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I'd settle for an admission on his part that he had not thought through his hypothesis completely nor thought to apply it to Jesus as described in the New Testament. Then we can move on. We have all had the opportunity on here to bite our tongue and admit mistakes. Hugh should not be made to do more.
If it was merely a one issue disagreement, I would be moved to join your settlement idea. But the fact is while all of this is going on, he simultaneously goes on full frontal assault on every other issue. For that, I will grant him no mercy other than the favorable terms I have proposed.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#63556 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Now that is a surprise.
I was afraid you might not catch that meaning, since I honestly have no idea what the state of your banking system is, or your experience with it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63557 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Original posted list http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/judaism/T...
Let's see, why don't we start with the descendants of Ishmael. Ask BMZ, Alex and MUQ about the descendants of Ishmael.
And don't forget about the descendants of Abraham's other sons:
Issac
Midian
Zimran
Shuah
Jokshan
Ishbak
Medan
Remember that Issac had another son other than Jacob. The descendants of Esau are Hebrews also.
1. No list became SHORTER and SHORTER as you have FALSELY asserted.

2. Ishmael is NOT in the list. Are you telling me that you do not even understand the meaning of the word list? Yes you are.

3. Add Ishmael to the list and cite ONE bible text that calls him a Hebrew.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63558 Dec 2, 2013
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Remember the toddler game you show me yours and I'll show you mine? Hugh is still playing the game.
You started very early. Was your playmate called Dick?
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63559 Dec 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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If it was merely a one issue disagreement, I would be moved to join your settlement idea. But the fact is while all of this is going on, he simultaneously goes on full frontal assault on every other issue. For that, I will grant him no mercy other than the favorable terms I have proposed.
c'est la guerre
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63560 Dec 2, 2013
Cult of Reason wrote:
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You first.
What are you talking about?

Is it first in terms of preeminence? If so, I agree.

If it is Eric's "toddler's" game then I am sorry to say that I shall not be first, second or any other number.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#63561 Dec 2, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I was afraid you might not catch that meaning, since I honestly have no idea what the state of your banking system is, or your experience with it.
My son, what was important to me is that you spoke about something that I do not associate with you and that is money. I had no interest beyond that.

Get it?
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63562 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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1. No list became SHORTER and SHORTER as you have FALSELY asserted.
2. Ishmael is NOT in the list. Are you telling me that you do not even understand the meaning of the word list? Yes you are.
3. Add Ishmael to the list and cite ONE bible text that calls him a Hebrew.
Hugh, the list had Ishmael, Issac, as well as the other sons of Abraham along with Esau. And, according to my source, I forgot a whole lot more.

btw, did you notice that your demands have broadened as it becomes obvious that you are sinking in the mud. You original demand was "Using scriptures and secular sources show that the word Hebrews was applied to those in your list not including Israel"

Which I am prepared to do once you prove that Jesus is a Jew using your biological, patrilineal definition.

Balls in you court!
Eric

Elk Grove Village, IL

#63563 Dec 2, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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You started very early. Was your playmate called Dick?
Whoever my playmate was, at least I outgrew the game a long time ago. You, however, seem to still enjoy playing.

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