Questions loom over St. John's Towers

Residents of the north building of St. John's Towers and the retailers below them know they will have to leave; they just don't know when. Full Story
stamford citizen

AOL

#1 Aug 10, 2008
and where do these people go?, its hard enough to live in stamford
Greenwich Socialite

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#2 Aug 10, 2008
Move them to the Trump Tower after completion. Charge them a discounted rate for rent. This way they still live downtown. The poor need to have an opportunity to rise to the top. We already know no one will buy the Trump apartments so might as well keep your local residents content.
Huh

Port Washington, NY

#3 Aug 10, 2008
stamford citizen wrote:
and where do these people go?, its hard enough to live in stamford
I wonder the same thing. I can only imagine the strain this is going to put on the existing infrastructure..the roads..the need for water, the need for electricity, parking, etc.
Reggie Jackson

United States

#4 Aug 10, 2008
Let the rich developer find a place for these people to live! They should knock down the other two towers as well! They have to be the ugliest buildings in America!
Perhaps they can find a place in the big hole in the ground across from the mall to build some housing for these people. Just a thought........

RMJ
Somebody else

North Brunswick, NJ

#5 Aug 10, 2008
The deal for the St. John's towers was 30 years. Everyone must honor the agreements they make. Everyone.
BlackRockGal

AOL

#6 Aug 10, 2008
Somebody else wrote:
The deal for the St. John's towers was 30 years. Everyone must honor the agreements they make. Everyone.
I think they went up in 72, so it's been more than 30 years.
Living Low Income

Sahuarita, AZ

#7 Aug 10, 2008
I remember when St. John's Towers were built. They were beautiful inside. Can't say much for the design, but they were a very nice place to live for the lower income families in Stamford.

I also remember in just a few years of their construction, there was a lot of damage done. They became roach and rat infested and the people who lived there (and I'm not racial profiling, as there were black, white and hispanic families), just did not take care of their apartments. I remember one incident where a family tried to rid their apartment of roaches and mice with bug bombs, and blew up two adjoining apartments next to them because they failed (the family) to turn off the piloted gas on their stoves.

Doors had been broken and removed, windows broken, garbage thrown off the balconies and it's now a real mess and I think both towers should be taken down.

I really can't understand when someone is given a nice place to live at low cost that it's not appreciated by these families and it appears the main goal is to make these places practically uninhabitable. Perhaps it's the lifestyle that they live, perhaps it's just not caring. All I know is that these buildings were not constructed with filth and vermin inside. It was brought in by the people that live there through poor cleaning and health habits. You leave garbage all around your apartment, the roaches, rats and mice will find it!

This type of situation has happened all over CT, and will continue unless these low income families take responsibility and maintain good upkeep in their homes if they want to pay low rent.

More examples are Ursula Place and CT Avenue in Stamford and Armstrong Court in Greenwich. At one time, these were beautiful low income neighborhoods and people took pride in their homes. Now the main goal in these areas is to see how much damage can be done and then blame the housing authority for living in the filth and crime created by the residents.

People need to pull themselves up by their OWN bootstraps and start taking responsibility for their surroundings. If you're living in bad conditions, I think you may need to look at where the blame lies.

I don't know what the answers are to end this type of negligence, but it starts with pride and responsibility for where you live. Maybe then, low income apartments, condos and developments can stay nice for many, many years and not have to face being torn down.
Stamfordite

Burnaby, Canada

#8 Aug 10, 2008
Living Low Income wrote:
Doors had been broken and removed, windows broken, garbage thrown off the balconies and it's now a real mess and I think both towers should be taken down.
I really can't understand when someone is given a nice place to live at low cost that it's not appreciated by these families and it appears the main goal is to make these places practically uninhabitable. Perhaps it's the lifestyle that they live, perhaps it's just not caring. All I know is that these buildings were not constructed with filth and vermin inside. It was brought in by the people that live there through poor cleaning and health habits. You leave garbage all around your apartment, the roaches, rats and mice will find it!
This type of situation has happened all over CT, and will continue unless these low income families take responsibility and maintain good upkeep in their homes if they want to pay low rent.
More examples are Ursula Place and CT Avenue in Stamford and Armstrong Court in Greenwich. At one time, these were beautiful low income neighborhoods and people took pride in their homes. Now the main goal in these areas is to see how much damage can be done and then blame the housing authority for living in the filth and crime created by the residents.
People need to pull themselves up by their OWN bootstraps and start taking responsibility for their surroundings. If you're living in bad conditions, I think you may need to look at where the blame lies.
I don't know what the answers are to end this type of negligence, but it starts with pride and responsibility for where you live. Maybe then, low income apartments, condos and developments can stay nice for many, many years and not have to face being torn down.
What a load of bull. SJT is not a housing project. People who live there take care of their homes and do not throw garbage off the balconies. You must be confusing it with Southfield Village - which was a housing project in southwest Stamford that was torn down.

Yes, there are roach infestations, but it's hard to get rid of them. They would survive a nuclear winter.

Also, there is no major crime in SJT. It is a safe complex.
Bob Wilson

Beaufort, SC

#9 Aug 11, 2008
As former Stamfordites now living in the South Carolina Lowcountry, my wife and I had occasion to visit and drive around Stamford last month, noting the immense new Trump Tower and also, the removal of the buildings at the site of the former Pepino's restaurant at the SW corner of Atlantic and Tresser...just adjacent to one of the three St John Towers, but not Tower A, which is the one apparently on the NE corner of Tresser and Washington Blvd. I thought that someone (was it UBS?) once had plans to take down the tower next to the Pepino property and build something huge in THAT total space.
And as someone else has just posted, what ABOUT The Big Hole??? Exactly when was it that that site was first cleared???
Publius

AOL

#10 Aug 11, 2008
Bob Wilson wrote:
As former Stamfordites now living in the South Carolina Lowcountry, my wife and I had occasion to visit and drive around Stamford last month, noting the immense new Trump Tower and also, the removal of the buildings at the site of the former Pepino's restaurant at the SW corner of Atlantic and Tresser...just adjacent to one of the three St John Towers, but not Tower A, which is the one apparently on the NE corner of Tresser and Washington Blvd. I thought that someone (was it UBS?) once had plans to take down the tower next to the Pepino property and build something huge in THAT total space.
And as someone else has just posted, what ABOUT The Big Hole??? Exactly when was it that that site was first cleared???
There was no other plan that i am aware of to take down the other towers (south of Tresser). There was a plan about 10-15 years ago to use the excess building rights to put up a commercial office building on the site, but that plan never came to fruition. Then there was a proposal to put up an office building and a hotel on the corner, but that never got off the ground. The current proposal is to build a hotel/luxury condo Ritz-Carlton on the site, again using the building rights of the SJT complex.

The building rights are key because they enable a payment to help maintain SJT as subisidized housing.
David

Greenwich, CT

#11 Aug 11, 2008
The Ritz-Carlton and a luxury condo tower are planned for the post office site and former Pepino's. St. Johns doesn't own that. The site of the single tower across from the Government Center and the parking lot behind the Rich Forum is what was to be developer into the office and apartment building. That site is owned by St Johns. The single tower comes down and the money made from the transaction is used to renovate the remaining two towers and keep them affordable for the next 30 years.
Publius

AOL

#12 Aug 11, 2008
David wrote:
The Ritz-Carlton and a luxury condo tower are planned for the post office site and former Pepino's. St. Johns doesn't own that. The site of the single tower across from the Government Center and the parking lot behind the Rich Forum is what was to be developer into the office and apartment building. That site is owned by St Johns. The single tower comes down and the money made from the transaction is used to renovate the remaining two towers and keep them affordable for the next 30 years.
Better check your facts. The Ritz Carlton site includes the post office site and the St Johns Towers site. The land under the former Pepino's is part of St Johns Urban Development (as opposed ot St Johns Church).

You can look it up easily on the City website under assessment data.
Former Greenwich Resident

Missoula, MT

#13 Aug 11, 2008
Stamfordite wrote:
<quoted text>
What a load of bull. SJT is not a housing project. People who live there take care of their homes and do not throw garbage off the balconies. You must be confusing it with Southfield Village - which was a housing project in southwest Stamford that was torn down.
Yes, there are roach infestations, but it's hard to get rid of them. They would survive a nuclear winter.
Also, there is no major crime in SJT. It is a safe complex.
I will beg to differ with your "load of bull" statement. The towers and other low income housing all fall under the same category of rent control breaks for lower income families. I'm not confusing the Towers with Southfield Village. I have seen for myself and also witnessed by other residents at the Towers that this stuff happens all the time! Stand back and look up and see how the balconies look. Go inside and see the lobby and elevators with grafitti and banged up doors and elevators. Check the stairwells. Don't know where you've been, but you obviously have not seen this stuff first hand. And yes, roaches are hard to get rid of - but how'd they get there in the first place? Duh! Roaches and mice don't like CLEAN houses, so you figure it out. Bottom line - build nice low income housing and see it trashed in a matter of years and then the complaints come in about the "poor" living conditions which are only brought on by the residents! Face the truth!
Hey Tuscon

AOL

#14 Aug 12, 2008
As I sit here in my beautiful St. John Tower apartment watching the sun rise I can only wonder what buildings you are talking about. In all my years here I have never seen a roach, never seen a mouse, and when I leave this morning to go to work I will get on an elevator that has been scrubbed clean just a few hours before - as all elevators are scrubbed clean every morning - I will walk through a lobby that has also been thoroughly cleaned - as all lobbies are every morning - and when I look up at the balconies I will see dozens and dozens that have been filled with beautiful flowering planters that are carefully maintained by residents who, like myself, take great care to maintain their living environment. I will walk to my car in the parking lot that is also cleaned every single morning.
If I have a maintenance problem in my apartment I will call the management office and the response will be timely and efficient.
I will come home tonight and I will feel safe and secure knowing that the security staff (undercover) will have been through my building several times throughout the day and will re-appear several times throughout the night. I will take a shower with the hot water that flows freely at no extra cost to the residents, and then I will sit on my beautiful balcony and count my blessings that I am one of the very fortunate folks who get to live in these very large rooms with high ceilings and a beautiful view of downtown Stamford. And then I'll watch the sun set and sleep well knowing I have this beautiful place to call home for a mere $635.00 a month.
Have a nice day.
Stamford Tax Payer

Morristown, NJ

#15 Sep 24, 2008
You make me sick. If you are only obligated to pay $625 per month while people are working their butts off, and also sitting in 4 hours of traffic per day to come to Connecticut's prime real estate, then quite frankly you should NOT even be allowed to own a computer or have internet access.
Hey Tuscon wrote:
As I sit here in my beautiful St. John Tower apartment watching the sun rise I can only wonder what buildings you are talking about. In all my years here I have never seen a roach, never seen a mouse, and when I leave this morning to go to work I will get on an elevator that has been scrubbed clean just a few hours before - as all elevators are scrubbed clean every morning - I will walk through a lobby that has also been thoroughly cleaned - as all lobbies are every morning - and when I look up at the balconies I will see dozens and dozens that have been filled with beautiful flowering planters that are carefully maintained by residents who, like myself, take great care to maintain their living environment. I will walk to my car in the parking lot that is also cleaned every single morning.
If I have a maintenance problem in my apartment I will call the management office and the response will be timely and efficient.
I will come home tonight and I will feel safe and secure knowing that the security staff (undercover) will have been through my building several times throughout the day and will re-appear several times throughout the night. I will take a shower with the hot water that flows freely at no extra cost to the residents, and then I will sit on my beautiful balcony and count my blessings that I am one of the very fortunate folks who get to live in these very large rooms with high ceilings and a beautiful view of downtown Stamford. And then I'll watch the sun set and sleep well knowing I have this beautiful place to call home for a mere $635.00 a month.
Have a nice day.
KAL

Pomona, NY

#16 Sep 24, 2008
Stamford Tax Payer wrote:
You make me sick. If you are only obligated to pay $625 per month while people are working their butts off, and also sitting in 4 hours of traffic per day to come to Connecticut's prime real estate, then quite frankly you should NOT even be allowed to own a computer or have internet access.
<quoted text>
I hear ya..but it sounds like he's been living there a long time. Everything he has said is true. The apartments are spacious, high ceilings and of course now "great views". He's right, he is very fortunate.
Vox Pop

East Hampton, CT

#17 Sep 25, 2008
KAL wrote:
<quoted text>
I hear ya..but it sounds like he's been living there a long time. Everything he has said is true. The apartments are spacious, high ceilings and of course now "great views". He's right, he is very fortunate.
Let's not forget that SJT came as the result of a lawsuit that stopped urban renewal in its tracks, because it had destroyed some 900 downtown housing units without replacing a single one.

FD Rich and the URC fought it every inch of the way.

SJT is "moderate" not "low" income housing. Today, perhaps more than ever, Stamford is in desperate need of affordable rentals it can get.

One may well wonder what provisions have been/will be made for the occupants of the tower now considered for demolition. Haven't noticed any yet.
mitchie

Feeding Hills, MA

#18 Mar 24, 2013
[QUOTE who="Formerf Gr.eenwich Resident"]<quoted text>
I will beg to differ with your "load of bull" statement. The towers and other low income housing all fall under the same category of rent control breaks for lower income families. I'm not confusing the Towers with Southfield Village. I have seen for myself and also witnessed by other residents at the Towers that this stuff happens all the time! Stand back and look up and see how the balconies look. Go inside and see the lobby and elevators with grafitti and banged up doors and elevators. Check the stairwells. Don't know where you've been, but you obviously have not seen this stuff first hand. And yes, roaches are hard to get rid of - but how'd they get there in the first place? Duh! Roaches and mice don't like CLEAN houses, so you figure it out. Bottom line - build nice low income housing and see it trashed in a matter of years and then the complaints come in about the "poor" living conditions which are only brought on by the residents! Face the truth![/QUOTE] for your info they are not low income housing But middle income.
mitchie

Feeding Hills, MA

#19 Mar 24, 2013
make. u sick!!! there are very hard working people like myself who live in sjt... it is other people choice to live where they live and to travel to work. we had to wait on a list to live here for this middle income housing which like myself can afford I wasy born and raised in Stamford an was one of the first familys to move in sjt in 1971 which help my family out alot tenents were able to save and move to a house they bought u Are very mean to say what u said..u also sound jealous. u also don't know what your talking about ..
Hey Tuscon wrote:
As I sit here in my beautiful St. John Tower apartment watching the sun rise I can only wonder what buildings you are talking about. In all my years here I have never seen a roach, never seen a mouse, and when I leave this morning to go to work I will get on an elevator that has been scrubbed clean just a few hours before - as all elevators are scrubbed clean every morning - I will walk through a lobby that has also been thoroughly cleaned - as all lobbies are every morning - and when I look up at the balconies I will see dozens and dozens that have been filled with beautiful flowering planters that are carefully maintained by residents who, like myself, take great care to maintain their living environment. I will walk to my car in the parking lot that is also cleaned every single morning.
If I have a maintenance problem in my apartment I will call the management office and the response will be timely and efficient.
I will come home tonight and I will feel safe and secure knowing that the security staff (undercover) will have been through my building several times throughout the day and will re-appear several times throughout the night. I will take a shower with the hot water that flows freely at no extra cost to the residents, and then I will sit on my beautiful balcony and count my blessings that I am one of the very fortunate folks who get to live in these very large rooms with high ceilings and a beautiful view of downtown Stamford. And then I'll watch the sun set and sleep well knowing I have this beautiful place to call home for a mere $635.00 a month.
Have a nice day.
st johns 2013

Norwalk, CT

#20 Nov 26, 2013
Stamfordite wrote:
<quoted text>
What a load of bull. SJT is not a housing project. People who live there take care of their homes and do not throw garbage off the balconies. You must be confusing it with Southfield Village - which was a housing project in southwest Stamford that was torn down.
Yes, there are roach infestations, but it's hard to get rid of them. They would survive a nuclear winter.
Also, there is no major crime in SJT. It is a safe complex.
I enjoy living @ St.Johns Towers. My only compliant with the building is, you can't clean the window's from the outside, so you can imagine 30 years dirt build up on the windows, as far as the look i really hate the way the building's look, if they can some how just power wash or give it a nice paint job i think the building would look a lot better. 2nd complaint the mice issues the building has, when the building management due an home inspection they don't really check for much, my wife and i had to get someone from the outside to come inside our home and patch up wholes we never new existed in our home, been mice free for a year now. been living in the Towers for almost 3 yrs now and i can say i never had any issues with anyone, there is a mixture of many cultures that reside in the St John Towers. I really hope in the near future they can decide to redue these apartments.

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