State senate kills ethanol mandate

[deepspace12dotco m]

SDP, Did you fail to read through his statements clearly or just take the most well thought out and logical argument to attack?

We all know it is not perfect, we all know there is a slight drop in MPG.

No one here said it was the golden egg for all problems, it is merely one step in the long path to independence from foreign oil.

The one person who seems to be able to clearly speak about this issue, with firsthand knowledge and you go after him?

Do you have data to back up your claims?

Do you have first hand experience to back this up?

[Dinah]

Well at least SOMEONE has got some brains and the guts to use them. We have 10% ethanol here in the fuel in Virginia and I think it's one of the stupiest things the government did.

In a race to come up with the solution to rising gas prices overnight they made a stupid choice. I don't guess they thought about the fact that corn is a FOOD crop for both cattle and people. So the price of corn went up and it didn't stop the price of gas going up. All it did was complicate matters.

It just goes to show DON'T put matters of the country's energy into government hands. They want a solution NOW and don't bother to think before they act. It didn't take a rocked scientist to have predicted that.

[Dinah]

Bob Janke wrote:

One of few intelligent things done by the Senate, now let us hope they do the same to TABOR

What is TABOR?

[Dinah]

Dauntless wrote:

Thank goodness they used their brains. Ethanol lessens fuel efficiency and mandating that we must use it, would have been, in my humble opinion, criminal.
I do understand that it would have been a boon to the farmers, but corn will be increasingly a boon to them anyway since more and more people will be using it in corn burners, saving on their heating bills.
www.iburncorn.com

How about THIS webite?!(ficticious) www.IEATcorn.com

[Dinah]

Dauntless wrote:

To 4th Amendment:
You are absolutely correct and your reasoning is perfect. You said:
We live in a capitalist society so if ethanol turns out to be something the consumers want, then the free-market will adapt it. If ethanol is not something people want then they will not buy it.

Capitalism. Is that the entire scope of your thinking? How about whether it's a good idea or not? It's already been forced on us in the "free market". Our state in most areas here only sell gas cut with ethanol. Big brother strikes again.

No, mommy state does.

[Dinah]

Scott wrote:

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Is there a shortage of water on Earth? Are you saying that because it is not exactly equal to gas or better that producing it is a waste of resources?
What about all of the resources poured into producing gas?
With logic like that, nothing will ever get done.
I am sure you did not mean it that way, but it sure could easily be taken that way.

Well there certainly seems to be in some areas, like parts of Mexico, some southwestern parts of the U.S. and the middle east where they sometimes fight over who gets the water.

[Dinah]

Cheddie wrote:

I just read an article stating that a large percentage of college students are more selfish now than they have ever been. I believe this could be true. But, who raised these kids? Parents! Who will raise our grandchildren? Our kids!
The buck has to stop somewhere. And whoever makes that stance, to stop the buck, is going to have to dig their heels in deep, fight the masses, try harder than they've ever tried before, tighten the belt, buckle down, etc. Can we do it?
Life has gotten so busy, the information highway has gotten so fast, technologically has jumped so far, etc. Parents can barely keep up with life AND spend quality time with kids without fighting them over something the government expects the parents to do. Yes, parents are responsible and accountable for one heckuva lot; we took that all on when we decided to have kids. But, humans are human. Human nature is one of our biggest assets, but also one of our biggest liabilities.
We have got to slow down and get back to the "basics" that always worked, and got pushed to the side when we realized other things worked too but didn't work as well as the "basics" that got pushed to the side.
I'm not claiming to have insight into what those basics are, because I feel my generation was part of the start of "me, me, me....", because of the opportunities and pleasures just getting introduced to the generation before me. It's only gotten worse as each generation came to be.
Okay. I'm going back to cleaning the house, and I'll be getting off of my soapbox now. Thanks for listening!:)

Believe me there ARE some who will and have gone "against the grain" and they are paying and have paid dearly for it. As long as you are willing to pay the price--go ahead. I'm one of them.

[Dinah]

Cheddie wrote:

What's Happening - not very nice. Good parenting needs a good support system. In my opinion, it does take a village.
If I saw a child get hurt on the playground or get their feelings hurt, I wouldn't ask him/her who his/her parents were before I asked if they needed help.
I'll leave the "crack" you made about my children having a mother who votes for Hillary alone; I'm not sure what was meant by it, but you couldn't be more way off base. Thank you.

The problem is, there is a GROSS misunderstanding of the "village" concept. It has ALWAYS taken a "village" to raise a child: The parents bear and raise the child, the schools educated them, the churches tried to look after their souls, and the jobs and services each person produced gave them their livlihood. NEIGHBORS and friends watched out for them.

But LOOK what foolows (and I do mean FOOLOWS; this is NO typo) Now the whole wide WORLD has to stick their little hands in the kids pockets. Bicycle helmets MUST be worn in some areas, they MUST have their drug education in school along with their sex ed just in case "mommy and daddy" missed something. The government has it's mitts in everything and WE have asked for it.

THIS is the "village concept" gone awry.

I have MUCH more to say on this; but this is NOT the thread for it.

It's supposed to be about "ethanol" cut in with gas for fuel.