Justice For David Camm

[McLuvin]

Camm wrote:

Aw it ran together and it looked so good, he is still guilty though.

Looks like the only thing that ran together were your brain cells and THC.

[IXSatanXI]

Just the Facts wrote:

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I’ve played a lot of pick-up basketball as well and like you, I couldn’t remember what other players wore or how many points everyone scored etc. but if someone told me a player left and killed his family, came back and continued to play, I would sure as hell remember if he had time to do that or if he acted strange etc. These players surely talked to each other and compared what they remembered to determine if it was possible. All the players that testified to the number of 5 on 5 games played said that Camm sat out just one 5 on 5 game. Mr. Jolly testified that he was there when Camm stopped playing to sit out, and talked with him or saw him on the sidelines until he started playing again. Mr. Jolly and the players had to have reviewed this in their minds hundreds if not thousands of times. I simply cannot believe they are all wrong about this. The prosecution’s belief is that the blood stains proves he was there when his family was killed, so the ball players all have to be wrong or covering for him. They treat the blood stain analysis as if it’s absolute and infallible when it’s scientifically impossible for it to be absolute.

You THINK you would dummy. You do not know that. You would not be able to say for certain anything. Stop playing like you would.

[IXSatanXI]

Camm wrote:

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Even his name spells murderer he must be guilty

I see your vision. I liked it.

[IXSatanXI]

Mrs Beasley wrote:

I do know about a few of you guys and girls but for some I mean what wil the motive be this time around? Will it be he killed her for the life insurance policies. Will they go for the fake molestation claim? Maybe the I want to be free from my family and sleep around claim. Will they change the time of the murders around again to fit their theories?
7 dots is not spatter and 10 eye witnesses is a pretty good alibi. If any of Broney's multiple lies are allowed Camm win hands down.
Also going to need a bigger courtroom considering everybody on here will be attending like the last 2 times. Rumor has it that Tiger is bringing the entire trailer park and that's just his family members. Fill'er up!

I do not understand why you keep saying that he has 10 eye witnesses. He does not have one. You seem to think that just because no one saw him leave that somehow substantiates his alibi. It doesn't. It just means no one saw him leave. Not one of the basketball players can say that he didn't.

[IXSatanXI]

McLuvin wrote:

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Looks like the only thing that ran together were your brain cells and THC.

Good morning muffintop. Would you do me a favor? The next time you talk to Camm, tell him Satan is waiting for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[camm supporter]

Mrs Beasley wrote:

I do know about a few of you guys and girls but for some I mean what wil the motive be this time around? Will it be he killed her for the life insurance policies. Will they go for the fake molestation claim? Maybe the I want to be free from my family and sleep around claim. Will they change the time of the murders around again to fit their theories?
7 dots is not spatter and 10 eye witnesses is a pretty good alibi. If any of Broney's multiple lies are allowed Camm win hands down.
Also going to need a bigger courtroom considering everybody on here will be attending like the last 2 times. Rumor has it that Tiger is bringing the entire trailer park and that's just his family members. Fill'er up!

yeah, the hoosierdome might do it; hey put it on tv and charge; that way they can get their money back; your welcome henderson, i charge 250 an hour for the advice

i would assume they are stuck with the life insurance motive as that is probably the best they can do; i mean the ultra ethical stan levco would not try to sneak in the child molestation bs would he?

[camm supporter]

fly007 wrote:

<quoted text> Are they all prevented from discussing that Jill was molested, or abused, or is it just that the state can't say or imply that David did it.

that was the type of parsing that henderson was trying to do; they better not bring it up at all this time....if you bring it up, then that invites the jury to say who did it and they will point to camm which is basically what henderson did last time

it cant come up at all or camm will lose again

[IXSatanXI]

camm supporter wrote:

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that was the type of parsing that henderson was trying to do; they better not bring it up at all this time....if you bring it up, then that invites the jury to say who did it and they will point to camm which is basically what henderson did last time
it cant come up at all or camm will lose again

Building excuses already? lol

[IXSatanXI]

camm supporter wrote:

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yeah, the hoosierdome might do it; hey put it on tv and charge; that way they can get their money back; your welcome henderson, i charge 250 an hour for the advice
i would assume they are stuck with the life insurance motive as that is probably the best they can do; i mean the ultra ethical stan levco would not try to sneak in the child molestation bs would he?

What is the hoosierdome dummy? If they are showing Camm get the needle, count me in. I am going to ticketmaster now.

[camm supporter]

"Camm had plenty of time when he "sat out a game". Testimony said the games could be 40 minutes and there were conflicting reports as to when Camm sat out, it could have been for two games."

That quote was taken from "BeeBee" on the other site

It shows how little you know what you are talking about beebs

college basketball games are 40 minutes; they take 2 hours cuz of the 15 minute halftime and 2 minute breaks they take every 4 minutes

these are 18-22 year old studs; the best conditioned people on the planet; and they dont play games for 40 minutes straight with no breaks for rest, water, etc

out of shape middle aged wannabees are going to play maybe 10-15 minutes and then need about a 5 minute break; some will need more; so there is no 40 minute game and no 40 minute window

come back with some better bs next time

[fly007]

camm supporter wrote:

Following the players’ testimony Wednesday, Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson said,“Eyewitness testimony is not the most reliable testimony.
“We’ve seen that time and time again. They can recall general things ... but not specifics.”
i have reviewed the sleuthing for justice website or whatever it is called and pulled that gem out of there
how evil for a prosecutor to say such a thing....only in a sh.thole like kentuckiana could a prosecutor ever get away with saying something like that; can you imagine if camm were in jail and black and a prosecutor tried to say that in a high profile case?
what about the murders and other things in this world that rely on eyewitness testimony?????
are the defense lawyers in that county using that against henderson every time a case is heard there?
absolutely sickening; he may be a worse pos than faith

So the one thing that the players agree on is that they saw David keeping warm, tieing his shoe strings, running around the upper level, shooting the ball, sitting with Mr. Jolly, at different times throughout the game. So, in general, David was observed by different people at different times. The players differed in the specifics of what time each game was played, or what clothes someone had on, or the scores, or who arrived when. Generally, they almost all, remember he was there during the game he sat out. So Henderson, was correct about that. Owen concentrated on the negative saying they didn't notice David leaving, creating in the jury's mind that he COULD have left. Owen's negative tactic must have worked since it was mentioned after the trial.

[Tiger]

Mrs Beasley wrote:

I do know about a few of you guys and girls but for some I mean what wil the motive be this time around? Will it be he killed her for the life insurance policies. Will they go for the fake molestation claim? Maybe the I want to be free from my family and sleep around claim. Will they change the time of the murders around again to fit their theories?
7 dots is not spatter and 10 eye witnesses is a pretty good alibi. If any of Broney's multiple lies are allowed Camm win hands down.
Also going to need a bigger courtroom considering everybody on here will be attending like the last 2 times. Rumor has it that Tiger is bringing the entire trailer park and that's just his family members. Fill'er up!

At least I won't have to go down on Indiana Ave. by the railroad tracks to pick my family up. Know what I mean? RLMAO

[camm supporter]

fly007 wrote:

<quoted text>So the one thing that the players agree on is that they saw David keeping warm, tieing his shoe strings, running around the upper level, shooting the ball, sitting with Mr. Jolly, at different times throughout the game. So, in general, David was observed by different people at different times. The players differed in the specifics of what time each game was played, or what clothes someone had on, or the scores, or who arrived when. Generally, they almost all, remember he was there during the game he sat out. So Henderson, was correct about that. Owen concentrated on the negative saying they didn't notice David leaving, creating in the jury's mind that he COULD have left. Owen's negative tactic must have worked since it was mentioned after the trial.

you're right; but once they branded him a child molester of his daughter they did not care about any alibi's and just believed everything owen or henderson told them

there were apparently some jurors at both trials that at first did not believe he did it; but are you really going to fight for someone in a jury room if you believe they molested their 5 year old little girl? that "evidence" takes the heart out of the defense

that's why it cant come in this time; and should have never come in

[Just the Facts]

There isn’t anything anyone posting on this forum can “prove” or “disprove”. The point of posting on this discussion board is to discuss the murders and trials, not to prove guilt or innocence. There is very little physical evidence that points to Camm being guilty and none of it is conclusive. Camm can’t, and doesn’t have to prove that he never left the gym; the prosecution has to prove to a reasonable probability that he did. The prosecution’s only possible evidence that he left the gym is the blood stains and there is no possible way to know for certain if these stains are HVIS proving guilt , or from transfer proving only that he was at the scene at some point, which is a given. All of the other “evidence” is meaningless and proves nothing about his guilt or innocence. Any fair-minded person has to accept that there is reasonable doubt that Camm is in fact guilty.

[fly007]

Just the Facts wrote:

There isn’t anything anyone posting on this forum can “prove” or “disprove”. The point of posting on this discussion board is to discuss the murders and trials, not to prove guilt or innocence. There is very little physical evidence that points to Camm being guilty and none of it is conclusive. Camm can’t, and doesn’t have to prove that he never left the gym; the prosecution has to prove to a reasonable probability that he did. The prosecution’s only possible evidence that he left the gym is the blood stains and there is no possible way to know for certain if these stains are HVIS proving guilt , or from transfer proving only that he was at the scene at some point, which is a given. All of the other “evidence” is meaningless and proves nothing about his guilt or innocence. Any fair-minded person has to accept that there is reasonable doubt that Camm is in fact guilty.

You say that there is no certainty that the blood is hvis, yet the judge accepts these guys as blood experts. The jury is put in a position that they have to decide which experts they believe. Once Owen shows how unobservant the ballplayers are, and that David could have left, all the other "evidence" adds to the whole picture. It's kind of a circular issue, just like Henderson's statement that David was the only one who had access to Jill in the 24 hours before her death - so one can assume that David was the one who abused her.- If David could have left the gym, he may have left, and because he had blood on him, it could be hvis. Unfortunately, so far. two juries havn't been as logical and reasonable, and fair-minded as you are. Hopefully, the next one will see through all the smoke.

[McLuvin]

IXSatanXI wrote:

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Good morning muffintop. Would you do me a favor? The next time you talk to Camm, tell him Satan is waiting for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

So you're planning on going to the victory party also?

[McLuvin]

Just the Facts wrote:

There isn’t anything anyone posting on this forum can “prove” or “disprove”. The point of posting on this discussion board is to discuss the murders and trials, not to prove guilt or innocence. There is very little physical evidence that points to Camm being guilty and none of it is conclusive. Camm can’t, and doesn’t have to prove that he never left the gym; the prosecution has to prove to a reasonable probability that he did. The prosecution’s only possible evidence that he left the gym is the blood stains and there is no possible way to know for certain if these stains are HVIS proving guilt , or from transfer proving only that he was at the scene at some point, which is a given. All of the other “evidence” is meaningless and proves nothing about his guilt or innocence. Any fair-minded person has to accept that there is reasonable doubt that Camm is in fact guilty.

Make yourself the juror. 3 experts say spatter and 3 say transfer. Looking at Englerts demo and the fact that he produced hundereds of tiny blood dots and Camm only had 7 or 8 he basically proved the defense's point. I hate the reasonable doubt card but this case is full of it. Combined witht he fact that Broney was there and lied about it you would have to be very impartial to convict. The worst I see for Camm is a hung jury and the way Tigger breaks it down Camm should walk out a free man.

[McLuvin]

camm supporter wrote:

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you're right; but once they branded him a child molester of his daughter they did not care about any alibi's and just believed everything owen or henderson told them
there were apparently some jurors at both trials that at first did not believe he did it; but are you really going to fight for someone in a jury room if you believe they molested their 5 year old little girl? that "evidence" takes the heart out of the defense
that's why it cant come in this time; and should have never come in

If Camm's attorney's drive home the point of 7 dots compared to Englerts demonstration of hundreds he's home free.

[McLuvin]

IXSatanXI wrote:

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Good morning muffintop. Would you do me a favor? The next time you talk to Camm, tell him Satan is waiting for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Wish me luck liver lips Im shooting billards tonight with 25 G's on the line. If I win in which I should Im going to donate 5 G's to higher education. Lord knows we don't want the next generation anything like this one. 9 ball corner pocket.

[Tiger]

McLuvin wrote:

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Wish me luck liver lips Im shooting billards tonight with 25 G's on the line. If I win in which I should Im going to donate 5 G's to higher education. Lord knows we don't want the next generation anything like this one. 9 ball corner pocket.

Maybe you should donate the other $20,000 to Harrisburg after all that city did file for bankruptcy.WADA