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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#193873 May 30, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Maybe this will help you to understand... I support marriage equality for same-gender couples and opposite-gender couples. I do not support polygamy.
Your continuous and contrived astonishment of my position on this issue does not sway me.
I'm just exposing your hypocrisy, I'm not trying to sway you.

Any astonishment is with your audacity in casually believing that polygamy doesn't deserve the same respect and consideration as same sex marriage.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#193874 May 30, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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All pedophiles are straight according to the PC handbook. It would be homophobic to say one was gay! But it's fine to call them all straight.
PC makes no sense, but that's the nature of it.
I'm embarrassed as a human for them trying to defend such nonsense.

I'm outraged that they are willing to put children at risk to maintain their denial.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#193875 May 30, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Maybe this will help you to understand... I support marriage equality for same-gender couples and opposite-gender couples. I do not support polygamy.
Your continuous and contrived astonishment of my position on this issue does not sway me.
Ironic isn't it, the very form of legal marriage you support other than monogamous, conjugal, husband and wife, is same sex, has opened the door to the form of marriage, polygamy, you don't support. Every victory for SSM is also a victory for the eventual legalization of plural marriage.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor brought it up while questioning former U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson, a Republican who argued that gay marriage is an individual right and should be protected by the Constitution.

"If you say that marriage is a fundamental right, what state restrictions could ever exist?" Sotomayor asked before referencing polygamy and incest among adults.

How can one prohibit polygamy between consenting adults, if marriage is a fundamental right? What state restrictions, as long as the parties are consenting adults, could ever exist?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#193876 May 30, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Ironic isn't it, the very form of legal marriage you support other than monogamous, conjugal, husband and wife, is same sex, has opened the door to the form of marriage, polygamy, you don't support. Every victory for SSM is also a victory for the eventual legalization of plural marriage.
Justice Sonia Sotomayor brought it up while questioning former U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson, a Republican who argued that gay marriage is an individual right and should be protected by the Constitution.
"If you say that marriage is a fundamental right, what state restrictions could ever exist?" Sotomayor asked before referencing polygamy and incest among adults.
How can one prohibit polygamy between consenting adults, if marriage is a fundamental right? What state restrictions, as long as the parties are consenting adults, could ever exist?
That is an excellent point that cannot be stressed enough to these dumb haters, every victory for same sex marriage is a victory for polygamy.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#193877 May 30, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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How can it prohibit something that was already against the law? That's like saying Californians passed a proposition to outlaw murder.
They did, they outlawed assault rifles which made murder even "MORE ILLEGAL" ( chuckle ) It used to just be illegal to murder someone with an assault rifle, but now it is even "more illegal".

( I hope you realize you are arguing with someone that has no conception of what he is talking about )
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#193878 May 30, 2013
Big D wrote:
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They did, they outlawed assault rifles which made murder even "MORE ILLEGAL" ( chuckle ) It used to just be illegal to murder someone with an assault rifle, but now it is even "more illegal".
( I hope you realize you are arguing with someone that has no conception of what he is talking about )
Is that why you choose not to address me directly? Or perhaps you have no argument? Is that why you are so hostile whenever I mention poly?(chuckle)
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#193879 May 30, 2013
Big D wrote:
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They did, they outlawed assault rifles which made murder even "MORE ILLEGAL" ( chuckle ) It used to just be illegal to murder someone with an assault rifle, but now it is even "more illegal".
( I hope you realize you are arguing with someone that has no conception of what he is talking about )
Your jokes are stupid. But any diversion to avoid addressing the fact that I am correct, eh Big D?

I am correct. Prop 8 discriminates against polygamy as much as it does against SSM.(chuckle)

But that's your straw man argument. To avoid the real argument we were having which is that true marriage equality won't happen until polygamy is also allowed. I am also correct on that. And it makes you angry and frustrated. Deal with it.

Hope that helps!

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#193880 May 30, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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I think that you insisting that pedophiles who molest only boys and never girls are not gay is ridiculous. But PC is ridiculous so that's that.
How about this... You go out and change all of the laws regarding pedophilia--make them determine what kind of pedophile they're dealing with. But be ready for all of the different types. There are Catholic, Baptists, Atheists, teachers, coaches, troop leaders, politicians, etc.

When it comes right down to it, would you want a man who has a history of molesting little girls working with little boys?

IMHO, if you are a pedophile, you are a pedophile. And the laws, as well as the scientists, seem to agree on that.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#193881 May 30, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
There is to the boys and the girls.
And they are distinct pedophiles.
Surely it would be wise to label the gender danger a pedophile represents?
Or are you suggesting we leave a child at risk to be politically correct?
<quoted text>
If those designations would protect the child, yes.
But you know they don't.
You also know what I suggest does protect them, and the only reason it is not used is political correctness. To the detriment of the child.
However, more than gay pedophiles jumping for joy, the Scouts are careful about opposite gender leaders in camping situations with Scouts. A responsible recognition to the power of mating behavior. Homosexuals are exempt from that temptation and discretion?
All this is just another example of homosexuals throwing common sense and children under the bus to fulfill their fantasy and denial.
Here's what I know... You seem to know an awful lot about gays and pedophiles. Why, exactly, is that?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#193882 May 30, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
How about this... You go out and change all of the laws regarding pedophilia--make them determine what kind of pedophile they're dealing with. But be ready for all of the different types. There are Catholic, Baptists, Atheists, teachers, coaches, troop leaders, politicians, etc.
When it comes right down to it, would you want a man who has a history of molesting little girls working with little boys?
IMHO, if you are a pedophile, you are a pedophile. And the laws, as well as the scientists, seem to agree on that.
Sure. But men who molest only boys are gay.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#193883 May 30, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's what I know... You seem to know an awful lot about gays and pedophiles. Why, exactly, is that?
Ad hominem.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#193885 May 30, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Ironic isn't it, the very form of legal marriage you support other than monogamous, conjugal, husband and wife, is same sex, has opened the door to the form of marriage, polygamy, you don't support. Every victory for SSM is also a victory for the eventual legalization of plural marriage.
Justice Sonia Sotomayor brought it up while questioning former U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson, a Republican who argued that gay marriage is an individual right and should be protected by the Constitution.
"If you say that marriage is a fundamental right, what state restrictions could ever exist?" Sotomayor asked before referencing polygamy and incest among adults.
How can one prohibit polygamy between consenting adults, if marriage is a fundamental right? What state restrictions, as long as the parties are consenting adults, could ever exist?
You always seem to "omit" Ted Olson's reply to the justice, so I'll help you out once again...

Ted Olson: "Well, you've said -- you've said in the cases decided by this Court that the polygamy issue, multiple marriages raises questions about exploitation, abuse, patriarchy, issues with respect to taxes, inheritance, child custody, it is an entirely different thing. And if you -- if a State prohibits polygamy, it's prohibiting conduct. If it prohibits gay and lesbian citizens from getting married, it is prohibiting their exercise of a right based upon their status.
It's selecting them as a class, as you described in the Romer case and as you described in the Lawrence case and in other cases."

See... Apples and oranges... Conduct vs. status...

It's so simple that even someone like you can understand.

In a few words, he put your "polygamy scare-tactic" to rest.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#193886 May 30, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Ad hominem.
No... It isn't an ad hominem. It is a legitimate point.

He is fascinated with all things gay. He has explicitly described gay male (not female) sex on multiple occasions. I would even go so far as to say that he seems to know more about gay male (not female) sex than many gay men. And he believes himself to be an expert on pedophilia.

We know he's not an attorney; so he doesn't have a great legal mind with regards to the law when it comes to pedophilia. And we know he's not a scientist or physician. We know he's not completed coursework or studied gay male behavior.

And yet he seems to know so much.

Why is that? How does an allegedly straight pastor know so much about these topics?

It would require a great deal of exploration or firsthand knowledge.

They don't teach these kinds of things when you get your bachelor's degree in religion, which is what he has.

How does he know so much?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#193887 May 30, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
There is to the boys and the girls.
And they are distinct pedophiles.
Surely it would be wise to label the gender danger a pedophile represents?
Or are you suggesting we leave a child at risk to be politically correct?
<quoted text>
If those designations would protect the child, yes.
But you know they don't.
You also know what I suggest does protect them, and the only reason it is not used is political correctness. To the detriment of the child.
However, more than gay pedophiles jumping for joy, the Scouts are careful about opposite gender leaders in camping situations with Scouts. A responsible recognition to the power of mating behavior. Homosexuals are exempt from that temptation and discretion?
All this is just another example of homosexuals throwing common sense and children under the bus to fulfill their fantasy and denial.
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's what I know... You seem to know an awful lot about gays and pedophiles. Why, exactly, is that?
Amazing.

You are willing to throw children under the bus with your denial. Now claim simple common sense makes me a gay pedophile.

Just plain vile.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#193888 May 30, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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How about this... You go out and change all of the laws regarding pedophilia--make them determine what kind of pedophile they're dealing with. But be ready for all of the different types. There are Catholic, Baptists, Atheists, teachers, coaches, troop leaders, politicians, etc.
When it comes right down to it, would you want a man who has a history of molesting little girls working with little boys?
IMHO, if you are a pedophile, you are a pedophile. And the laws, as well as the scientists, seem to agree on that.
My activist days are long over. I am old and in a wheelchair. I simply want to discuss these issues, not march in the streets. I cannot. But you should be out there instead of here losing arguments with me on a silly topix thread.

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Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#193889 May 30, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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There is to the boys and the girls.
And they are distinct pedophiles.
Surely it would be wise to label the gender danger a pedophile represents?
Or are you suggesting we leave a child at risk to be politically correct?
<quoted text>
If those designations would protect the child, yes.
But you know they don't.
You also know what I suggest does protect them, and the only reason it is not used is political correctness. To the detriment of the child.
However, more than gay pedophiles jumping for joy, the Scouts are careful about opposite gender leaders in camping situations with Scouts. A responsible recognition to the power of mating behavior. Homosexuals are exempt from that temptation and discretion?
All this is just another example of homosexuals throwing common sense and children under the bus to fulfill their fantasy and denial.
<quoted text>
Amazing.
You are willing to throw children under the bus with your denial. Now claim simple common sense makes me a gay pedophile.
Just plain vile.
As Rose_NoHo's "Law" insists "Only morons care about children".

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#193890 May 30, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
You always seem to "omit" Ted Olson's reply to the justice, so I'll help you out once again...
Ted Olson: "Well, you've said -- you've said in the cases decided by this Court that the polygamy issue, multiple marriages raises questions about exploitation, abuse, patriarchy, issues with respect to taxes, inheritance, child custody, it is an entirely different thing. And if you -- if a State prohibits polygamy, it's prohibiting conduct. If it prohibits gay and lesbian citizens from getting married, it is prohibiting their exercise of a right based upon their status.
It's selecting them as a class, as you described in the Romer case and as you described in the Lawrence case and in other cases."
See... Apples and oranges... Conduct vs. status...
It's so simple that even someone like you can understand.
In a few words, he put your "polygamy scare-tactic" to rest.
Hilarious.

An embarrassingly stupid argument.

One committed relationship is 'conduct', but another is 'status'?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#193891 May 30, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
No... It isn't an ad hominem. It is a legitimate point.
He is fascinated with all things gay. He has explicitly described gay male (not female) sex on multiple occasions. I would even go so far as to say that he seems to know more about gay male (not female) sex than many gay men. And he believes himself to be an expert on pedophilia.
We know he's not an attorney; so he doesn't have a great legal mind with regards to the law when it comes to pedophilia. And we know he's not a scientist or physician. We know he's not completed coursework or studied gay male behavior.
And yet he seems to know so much.
Why is that? How does an allegedly straight pastor know so much about these topics?
It would require a great deal of exploration or firsthand knowledge.
They don't teach these kinds of things when you get your bachelor's degree in religion, which is what he has.
How does he know so much?
At this point, I'm just a near senile old man. All I've got is simple common sense.

I ask practical questions, like, "How do you protect a young boy from a gay pedophile?"

Your answer is, "There is no such thing as Sandusky."

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#193892 May 30, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
You always seem to "omit" Ted Olson's reply to the justice, so I'll help you out once again...
Ted Olson: "Well, you've said -- you've said in the cases decided by this Court that the polygamy issue, multiple marriages raises questions about exploitation, abuse, patriarchy, issues with respect to taxes, inheritance, child custody, it is an entirely different thing. And if you -- if a State prohibits polygamy, it's prohibiting conduct. If it prohibits gay and lesbian citizens from getting married, it is prohibiting their exercise of a right based upon their status.
But he didn't fully address the question. He simply offered an answer in support of SSM, and stated multiple marriages raises questions. Not once did he say it shouldn't be legal. So again, if marriage is a fundamental right, what state restrictions could ever exist? It seems he, and you are claiming that SSM is a "fundamental right", but plural marriage isn't.
It's selecting them as a class, as you described in the Romer case and as you described in the Lawrence case and in other cases."
See... Apples and oranges... Conduct vs. status...
It's so simple that even someone like you can understand.
In a few words, he put your "polygamy scare-tactic" to rest.
Why do you call polygamy a "scare tactic"? Is SSM such a secular sacred cow that it must be legalized? Why does it matter to you, or any other SSM advocate, if polygamy is legalized? Seems rather hypocritical of you to proclaim that the sole legal definition of marriage as a monogamous union of husband and wife should be discarded to accommodate your version of marriage but no one else.

A few questions. Does any state require a statement of orientation prior to issuance of a marriage license? Does any state prohibit "mixed orientation" marriages? Does any state prohibit a person from marrying outside their self stated sexual orientation?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#193893 May 30, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
No... It isn't an ad hominem. It is a legitimate point.
He is fascinated with all things gay. He has explicitly described gay male (not female) sex on multiple occasions. I would even go so far as to say that he seems to know more about gay male (not female) sex than many gay men. And he believes himself to be an expert on pedophilia.
We know he's not an attorney; so he doesn't have a great legal mind with regards to the law when it comes to pedophilia. And we know he's not a scientist or physician. We know he's not completed coursework or studied gay male behavior.
And yet he seems to know so much.
Why is that? How does an allegedly straight pastor know so much about these topics?
It would require a great deal of exploration or firsthand knowledge.
They don't teach these kinds of things when you get your bachelor's degree in religion, which is what he has.
How does he know so much?
Maybe he's gay. Is that bad? I don't think so. But it's irrelevant and ad hominem.

And I never will understand someone gay using gay as an insult. "Oh yeah? You're gay! Just like me!"

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