Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#182933 Mar 9, 2013
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/04/chinese-t...

http://www.activistpost.com/2012 /04/chinese-troops-reportedly- amassing-near.html
again, with no gaps
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#182934 Mar 9, 2013

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#182935 Mar 9, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
P.s. I didnít mean to jump on your case earlier, but the whole "marriage is for making babies" argument just pisses me off.
No problem amico
It could not be farther from the truth.
How so?
One of my daughters is incapable of having children for medical reasons, and to think anyone would belittle her marriage to her husband because "marriage is only about making babies" makes me what to hit someone... and I am a peaceful person... but go after my kids and the hair raises on the back of my neck.
No one is belittling her marriage, or my marriage, we're discussing the concept of marriage, it's definition, and the state's, and/or society's interest in it.
I know that was not your intent, but there is a HUGE hole is the "marriage is for making babies" argument.
It is a lame excuse of an argument.
Grazie
None of my children happen to be gay, but I would be fully supportive of any of them if they happened to be. I do have an extended family member that is gay, and she got married before prop 8 and is one of the 18,000 legally married same sex couples in California, and I applaud them and wish them well.
As would I if one of my children, or other family member were. However that doesn't mean a public policy has to necessarily change for me or anyone else for that matter.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#182937 Mar 9, 2013
sheesh void of hate wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is there a need for it now? Because there is. We've arrived to a time when we're civilised enough to recognise that homosexuals aren't mentally ill deviants in need of treatment. There are throw backs in every society, but they're a dying breed. Homosexuals are just people, like you and I. We've matured as a species to the point where we have learned that a lot of what was believed 100 years ago simply isn't true. And what was commonly accepted truth 500 years is hogwash. Even more so for the "truth" of 1000 years ago. I could go further back in time, but hopefully you understand what I mean. Sure we've got cultures that still see women as second class citizens - they're missing out on the full potential of 1/2 of their population (if not more). We've got past the notion that blacks are inferior beings. Now it is time to get past the notion that gays are inferior beings.
This brings us back to your question, why should gays marry? This gets into territory that irks AKpilot and I understand his point. However, we're where we are and marriage takes care of so much more than procreation. More than 1000 rights come with it. National recognition of marriage for gay couples brings those rights to them with the stroke of a pen. It is simplicity. No need for every state to pass legislation regarding ssm marriage. No chance for some states to discriminate and disallow the rights granted in another when someone relocates. That approach is too complex. The legal rights that come with a marriage certificate are the same from state to state. Unions by other nomenclature are the subject of each state's legislature and that just makes it too complicated.
At what time during the course of human history, did sex between men and women, STOP resulting in conception? That hasn't changed. We still do it, still understand what it does, still need for it to happen. That's the one constant? Men and women married each other. There are TWO sexes.

Why is there a sudden need for SSM? What will happen if men don't marry men, and women don't marry women? Will anyone even notice? Why is such a small percentage of SSCs, who can legally marry, actually do? Why do female couples marry more often than their male counterparts?

Since: Nov 12

Wilton, CA

#182938 Mar 9, 2013
NoQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey dude, you think you're a knight in shinning armor? Screw you. You think you're tough because you're a FAGG@T???? Fk you.
I'm not gay, why is that always the response from haters like you? Plz feel free to offer some substance to your posts. If you have any. There have been gay people around since the beginning of time, did you just figure out there are people that are not like you? I'm not gay but also very different then you. My Bible says to love others and not judge, calling you a hater is what you are.

Since: Nov 12

Wilton, CA

#182940 Mar 9, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
I can provide you with some links:
http://coupmedia.org/terror-threats/chinese-t...
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/04/chinese-t...
http://www.ufolab.info/Chinese_on_our_border....
Some will say that these reports are not to be taken seriously, but make up your own mind...
Rumors...During the cold war, it was Russians are waiting at our border. Do you think with all the violence on the northern Mexico border that China men would be even safe themselves? If China wants to destroy America, they could shut down wal mart. It's easy to start bogus crap on the internet.
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#182942 Mar 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Rumors...During the cold war, it was Russians are waiting at our border. Do you think with all the violence on the northern Mexico border that China men would be even safe themselves? If China wants to destroy America, they could shut down wal mart. It's easy to start bogus crap on the internet.
These are not rumors. Nor is the destruction of our protections.

http://arewelivinginthelastdays.com/news/vid/...
Randy -Rock- Hudson

Wooster, OH

#182943 Mar 9, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
"Those are quite childish remarks anyway. Oh, and they're insults as well as ad hominem attacks. You seem to suffer quit a bit of the ol' pot calling the kettle black routine."
Don't you think it would be fair of you to say the same thing to rose-no-ho? Her childish remarks about abortion to Kimare are easily comparable in level, not to mention irrelevant to the thread.
Sheesh, I think that you must have missed a post...

Since: Nov 12

Wilton, CA

#182944 Mar 9, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
These are not rumors. Nor is the destruction of our protections.
http://arewelivinginthelastdays.com/news/vid/...
2 different issues, I'm just saying I doubt that there are any China troops on our border. The Mexican drug Lords are not run by their own government, let alone China-men. I doubt in today's time that our Government could hide this from the citizens if it was the case. It's easier to fool the public on stuff like the flu shot.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#182945 Mar 9, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Are you a hater? dude, you sound real brave sitting behind a keyboard.
He is a hater. It's the only method he has for making his micro penis chubby.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#182946 Mar 9, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
http://www.ufolab.info/Chinese _on_our_border.htm
http://www.ufolab.info /Chinese_on_our_border.htm
Also, no gaps.
From your link:

"The internet has been a great evolution in the enlightenment of the world's population for the sharing and opening of previously esoteric information."

It has also opened the door for all manner of tinfoil hat wearin' loons to post up sensational "fact" based conspiracty theories. Not to mention just plain piss poor information propagation making mountains of mole hills.

In addition to that Honda 750 pictured to the left of my post I own a Honda Valkyrie. Some years ago the interwebby was awash with tales of a rash of tire failures for the Dunlops spooned on the back rim in OEM trim. There were delaminations galore. After it all settled down ALL of these delaminations were linked back to one tire failure. Given the amount of debris on the road and the propensity for motorists to ignore tire pressures I was willing to stick with the Dunlop tires on mine for many a happy mile (tire pressures monitored closely of course).

Now on to the following from the same link:

"Some of the websites actually tell of eye witness accounts, all of which have yet to be proven or at least validated. No coordinates have been provided as of yet. The story continues to develop. Coup Media has not received any validating information from its sources to support that any of these accounts of chines troops and armored vehicles in Mexico or Canada might be valid."

What I read goes on to indicate a trucker seeing a claimed 10,000 armored vehicles. Each one of them beasts is gonna be fairly massive and be a little difficult to hide. Camo you say? Well how'd the trucker see 'em.
Then we read of eyewitness reports (err is that report) of a bunch of asian and caucasion troops in an area.

I am reminded of the possibility that most UFO spottings are done by people of questionable mental acuity or sobriety.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#182947 Mar 9, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
At what time during the course of human history, did sex between men and women, STOP resulting in conception? That hasn't changed. We still do it, still understand what it does, still need for it to happen. That's the one constant? Men and women married each other. There are TWO sexes.
Why is there a sudden need for SSM? What will happen if men don't marry men, and women don't marry women? Will anyone even notice? Why is such a small percentage of SSCs, who can legally marry, actually do? Why do female couples marry more often than their male counterparts?
What will happen of they're allowed to marry? Will anyone notice after the mongfest cries of the sky is falling blows over? Thank you for that earth shattering news about there being two sexes. I wasn't aware of this fact.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#182948 Mar 9, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
At what time during the course of human history, did sex between men and women, STOP resulting in conception? That hasn't changed. We still do it, still understand what it does, still need for it to happen. That's the one constant? Men and women married each other. There are TWO sexes.
Condoms, IUDs, the pill, tubal ligation, vasectomy...
Sex isn't just for reproduction. We like it and we like it with the partner of our selection, whether that be like or opposite sex. That hasn't changed either.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#182949 Mar 9, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
Sheesh, I think that you must have missed a post...
Yep. There is a lot of detritus in here. From both sides. I tend to scan the thread, often not looking at entire pages other than to see who is posting and only look at the ones I find interesting. Or the ones making some outlandish claims (I recognise this happens from both corners). I will often just follow a dialogue between myself and another poster and just ignore the rest too.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#182950 Mar 9, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
But, I am not belittling them, I am a traditionalist, and wish to see some institutions left intact.
If I were gay I would have taken the comment as belittling. In spite of you not intending to belittle you were, IMHO.

Gotta run. I have fallen trees to clear after the "light breeze" that blew through here a few days ago. Looks like I'm starting on timber for next years bonfire a bit early!
Dorn

La Puente, CA

#182951 Mar 9, 2013
Big Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
How stupid does that sound, he married a straight because he couldn't marry a queer. Wow, how desperate is that? I wouldn't marry another guy just because I couldn't marry a woman that I loved. No one forced him to marry, let alone a woman that queers find repulsive. To fake his whole life!! You know he couldn't have been giving the love to the woman like she thought she would get, not even close. That's really pathetic.
You would be surprised how many gay men marry straight women. I know of several. One said that he thought it would make him straight. Most gay men marry straight women to stay in the closet, because gays are discriminated against when it come to imployment, and service in the military.

Since: Jan 10

Lewis Center, OH

#182952 Mar 9, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I can, but there is no need to, as I am not making use of any... Your side is using our tax dollars to extend governmental benefits to your side, and bankrupting us at the same time, while we waste our energy turning on each other, instead of looking at what our country is becoming... So, there is no need to say "hyperbole".
Rock, when you say ďour tax dollarsĒ who do believe is paying those tax dollars? Because, it seems to that itís the truck driving (aka non-skilled laborers) losers that spend all their extra money on beer that rely the most on government benefits that are in part paid for by skilled hard-working Gay Americans. Whatís the matter are you afraid youíll have less money for beer and start getting the shakes?

Since: Jan 10

Lewis Center, OH

#182953 Mar 9, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
But, I am not belittling them, I am a traditionalist, and wish to see some institutions left intact. This world we live in is being turned upside down, and we are not benefiting from it. "Desire to get a hand-out? Is that what you're reducing this to?" Most of the reasons that I have heard thrown around in here are centered around "rights" and "benefits" to be had. "Are you talking about tax benefits..." Ask them, they have used it as an argument, not me.
"I'd like to believe that most couples marry because they genuinely love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together." This they can do, whether or not they have been "married".
"With this comes the long list of benefits that guarantees the participants that outsiders in their relationship won't step in and piss all over their wishes after their demise or worse yet, during their demise.". Wills cover these issues.
The world you live in is very small. Are you really that naÔve or are you just talking from the bottom of a bottle?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#182954 Mar 9, 2013
sheesh void of hate wrote:
<quoted text>
From your link:
"The internet has been a great evolution in the enlightenment of the world's population for the sharing and opening of previously esoteric information."
It has also opened the door for all manner of tinfoil hat wearin' loons to post up sensational "fact" based conspiracty theories. Not to mention just plain piss poor information propagation making mountains of mole hills.
In addition to that Honda 750 pictured to the left of my post I own a Honda Valkyrie. Some years ago the interwebby was awash with tales of a rash of tire failures for the Dunlops spooned on the back rim in OEM trim. There were delaminations galore. After it all settled down ALL of these delaminations were linked back to one tire failure. Given the amount of debris on the road and the propensity for motorists to ignore tire pressures I was willing to stick with the Dunlop tires on mine for many a happy mile (tire pressures monitored closely of course).
Now on to the following from the same link:
"Some of the websites actually tell of eye witness accounts, all of which have yet to be proven or at least validated. No coordinates have been provided as of yet. The story continues to develop. Coup Media has not received any validating information from its sources to support that any of these accounts of chines troops and armored vehicles in Mexico or Canada might be valid."
What I read goes on to indicate a trucker seeing a claimed 10,000 armored vehicles. Each one of them beasts is gonna be fairly massive and be a little difficult to hide. Camo you say? Well how'd the trucker see 'em.
Then we read of eyewitness reports (err is that report) of a bunch of asian and caucasion troops in an area.
I am reminded of the possibility that most UFO spottings are done by people of questionable mental acuity or sobriety.
are you saying bigfoot isn't real? How bout sponge bob?
CAN I GET AIDS FROM

San Leandro, CA

#182956 Mar 9, 2013
IS IT TRUE THAT PEOPLE WHO EAT AND SUCK AND LICK CRAP HAVE A HISTORY OF SPREADING DISEASES.....BUT IT FEELS SO GOOD SEX WITH ANIMALS FEELS GOOD TO

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