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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

There are 201847 comments on the www.cnn.com story from Aug 4, 2010, titled Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage. In it, www.cnn.com reports that:

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

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#182086 Mar 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Sure, they wanted to make damn sure they weren't legalizing polygamy.
Did you read prop 8?
Why yes I did, that is why I posted the Supremes thoughts.
The voter initiative was clearly tailored to exclude gay couples. Given that Polygamy has not been legal for more than a century, and the laws regarding it are intact. Little can be said to change it. Again, Same sex marriage was legal, Prop 8 was designed to remove that law. Can you say discrimination?

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#182087 Mar 1, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
Future Battle: Slippery Slope To Polygamy?
Some legal analysts feel that judicial action to legalize same-sex marriage will create precedent that could lead to the overturn of polygamy laws. Justice Scalia once stated, in a dissent to a case striking down a sodomy law, that following that decision all morals legislation was vulnerable to attack: first homosexual sex, then “fornication, bigamy, adultery, adult incest, bestiality, and obscenity.”
However, due to the way the California Supreme Court has classified sexual orientation, there is a significant difference between the same-sex marriage and polygamy. In deciding In Re Marriage Cases, the court declared that laws based on sexual orientation would receive “strict scrutiny” review, meaning that such laws must be narrowly tailored to achieve a compelling government interest. As polygamists are not a protected class, like homosexuals, they do not enjoy that level of review. Instead, the government may limit polygamy by proving simply that such laws are a rational method of achieving a legitimate government interest. The method need not be the least restrictive method of achieving that interest. The government interests in prohibiting polygamy that are often asserted are: the danger of statutory rape associated with polygamy; the danger of incest; and the subjugation and abuse of women in such relationships. These are legitimate interests and a ban on polygamy is generally seen as a rational means of accomplishing those ends.
Sexual Orientation? Heterosexual, homosexual , and bisexual..... so if people can marry according to their orientation....
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182088 Mar 1, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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What's "true" about it if it excludes certain groups?
Everyone understands marriage is not for children. Even prop 8 said man and woman. That excludes children, Miss Thing. No one is arguing for marriage of children, calm down.

Is that your best argument? It's really desperate.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182089 Mar 1, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Tough, ain't it?
Yep. That's how bigots roll, they rub defeat in good when they can. Just like they did in the earlier days of SSM.

Let's cut through your bullsh!t. Tell us why you are against poly marriage.

Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

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#182090 Mar 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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No, do you?
I'll be sure to specify adults more often than I have been in the future so you don't try to use it as an argument against true marriage equality again.
If you are for true equality in marriage, why should 12 year old kids be omitted? It seems that its allowed in other countries that allow polygamy.

http://www.google.com/url...
Edgar

Spring, TX

#182091 Mar 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Sure, they wanted to make damn sure they weren't legalizing polygamy.
Did you read prop 8?
Hell, did YOU? It nowhere mentions polygamy.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182092 Mar 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Everyone understands marriage is not for children. Even prop 8 said man and woman. That excludes children, Miss Thing. No one is arguing for marriage of children, calm down.
Is that your best argument? It's really desperate.
Then stop making statements you don't mean.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182093 Mar 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Yep. That's how bigots roll, they rub defeat in good when they can. Just like they did in the earlier days of SSM.
Let's cut through your bullsh!t. Tell us why you are against poly marriage.
Tell us why you think Prop 8 has anything to do with polygamy, when the California Supreme Court says it does not.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182094 Mar 1, 2013
Edgar wrote:
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Hell, did YOU? It nowhere mentions polygamy.
What don't you understand about "Marriage is a man and a woman only"?

Does it say "men and women only"?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182095 Mar 1, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Then stop making statements you don't mean.
I often specify adults. I figured by now it was understood. So sue me.

You're grasping at straws.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182096 Mar 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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What don't you understand about "Marriage is a man and a woman only"?
Does it say "men and women only"?
What don't you understand about: "...does not mean that this constitutional right similarly must be understood to extend to polygamous or incestuous relationships."
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182097 Mar 1, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>If you are for true equality in marriage, why should 12 year old kids be omitted? It seems that its allowed in other countries that allow polygamy.
http://www.google.com/url...
I often specify adults. I figured by now it was understood. So sue me.

You're grasping at straws.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182098 Mar 1, 2013
When SCOTUS puts this heinous proposition to rest, I hope that lawsuits will be initiated against NOM and Protect Marriage.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182099 Mar 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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I often specify adults. I figured by now it was understood. So sue me.
You're grasping at straws.
Don't blame me for your inability to clearly express your stupid opinions. You never take responsibility for anything, do ya?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182100 Mar 1, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Tell us why you think Prop 8 has anything to do with polygamy, when the California Supreme Court says it does not.
Prop 8 says "a man and a woman" only. The CA court wanted to make damn sure repealing it didn't in any way legalize polygamy. And polygamy wasn't the reason for repealing it, same sex marriage was.

This proves my case, that prop 8 excluded polygamists too, or else why would the court even mention it, Miss Thing?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182101 Mar 1, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
When SCOTUS puts this heinous proposition to rest, I hope that lawsuits will be initiated against NOM and Protect Marriage.
That's because you are angry, mean and vindictive.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182102 Mar 1, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Don't blame me for your inability to clearly express your stupid opinions. You never take responsibility for anything, do ya?
Look back. I often specify adults.

You're grasping at straws.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182103 Mar 1, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Don't blame me for your inability to clearly express your stupid opinions. You never take responsibility for anything, do ya?
My opinions are not stupid.

You believe same sex marriage should be allowed. I believe same sex marriage and poly marriage should be allowed.

Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

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#182104 Mar 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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I often specify adults. I figured by now it was understood. So sue me.
You're grasping at straws.
Lets support TRUE marriage equality, Frank. Other countries that support polygamy allow teenagers to be married. So Frank why don't you support 12,13,14 year old kids being married???? Come on Frank In Saudi Arabia, polygamy is legal, and no age restrictions. What could possibly be of harm to society???
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182105 Mar 1, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Prop 8 says "a man and a woman" only. The CA court wanted to make damn sure repealing it didn't in any way legalize polygamy. And polygamy wasn't the reason for repealing it, same sex marriage was.
This proves my case, that prop 8 excluded polygamists too, or else why would the court even mention it, Miss Thing?
Look, dumbass, the Court mentioned it when they granted marriage to gay couples, not about Prop 8. Jesus tap-dancing Christ! You have THE WORST reading comprehension of any Topix poster. I can't believe anyone is this sloppy and stupid.

"We emphasize that our conclusion that the constitutional right to marry properly must be interpreted to apply to gay individuals and gay couples does not mean that this constitutional right similarly must be understood to extend to polygamous or incestuous relationships."

CAN YOU READ??? Let me condense it for you:

...our conclusion.. DOES NOT MEAN.. constitutional right to polygamous relationships.

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