Huge pot grow raided

Marijuana plants were found at a home off Meridian Road Wednesday. All Chico E-R photos are available here. Full Story
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#424 Mar 13, 2009
Justin Case wrote:
...Just look at the trouble it's causing, those who are to lazy to grow their own or con a doctor wind up stealing it from other pot heads, what a concept. Just another lawless law. Only in California, go figure.
Thanks Justin --
You speak as someone who obviously has not read the medical literature around your drug of choice, marijuana, and perhaps still lives with his Mother.
See, you, as an addict, are like a debt. How so? Because you keep costing the rest of us money, over your drug-addled lifetime. Health issues, DUI's, loss of productivity, underdeveloped children, depression -- need we go on? This is the "cost" of an addict to the rest of us.
The law is designed to cause trouble for drug dealers and drug abusers. What did you think it was for? To make your life easy so you could ruin ours?
Sorry Bubba -- it doesn't work like that.
Unleashing another narcotic on the communities is a problem much bigger, and much more important than your difficulty in supplying yourself with your favorite narcotic/drug.
Ever consider trying to get healthy? Rehab? AA or NA?
Grow up, get sober and stop expecting the rest of your community to pay the cost of your short-sighted decisions and drug addictions. Life is much easier when you are sober.
Correct

United States

#425 Mar 13, 2009
Answer wrote:
<quoted text>
While i don't profess being an expert, i do know that alcohol and tabaco are narcotics and they have both been around for 1000's of yrs.
Obviously you have a better understanding of the difference, between a narcotic and a non-narcotic substance, than this SalMonElla guy does. Incredibly he now identifies mushrooms as being narcotics.

Incredibly he is now trying to tell people that cocaine has been used for thousands of years, when it was only developed within the last 150 years.

Your wasting your time when you respond to him because he has convinced himself that he knows what he's talking about and that the DEA, AMA,
countless medical sources and California voters are all wrong. Reason and facts are lost on this type of know-it-all.
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#426 Mar 13, 2009
Sal says hello --

And Sal awaits your in-depth report about the effects of mushrooms and other hallucinogens on the brain. Coca leaves have been used for centuries. You see, drugs are drugs. And like the rest of the drug addicts posting about their favorite narcotic, pot, you can not distinguish between medicine and law. In a word -- narcotics.

Perhaps you should go back and re-read the previous posts. Lots of fun science; lots of history.
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#427 Mar 13, 2009
Sal delivers. This time, listen carefully class. Here's a tidbit about the history and longevity of the use of the unrefined herb that sources cocaine.
It's been around thousands of years.

Straight from the source, to you.

"Cocaine is an addictive stimulant derived from the leaves of the Erythroxylon coca plant, often described as a bush. The pure chemical is cocaine hydrochloride and, according to the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) of the United States, has been abused for more than 100 years. Prior to the purification of the compound, coca leaves were chewed for thousands of years by the native inhabitants of South America, mainly Peru and Bolivia, where the plant grows. This practice was in place when the Spanish arrived in the sixteenth century.

Read more: "The Origins of Cocaine: A Stimulant from The South American Coca Plant" - http://war-on-drugs.suite101.com/article.cfm/... ;
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#428 Mar 13, 2009
Sal visits Dartmouth to bring you some facts on another drug. This one from a mushroom. While "technically" not a narcotic, and not addictive, its dangerous all the same. Just like all drugs.

Sal delivers, every time.

"Dangers

It is not possible to overdose physically on Psychoactive Mushrooms. However, it is possible to have panic attacks or acute psychological collapses triggered by particularly high doses. This is more likely in users with a personal or family history of mental illness.

Eating unidentified or misidentified mushrooms can result in poisoning and even death.

Individuals taking MAOIs are far more sensitive to Psychoactive Mushrooms and should either reduce their dosage or not use mushrooms at all.

While the possibility of flashbacks is present with any hallucinogen, the occurence is rare and only seen in heavy users."
I see what you mean

United States

#429 Mar 13, 2009
Correct wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously you have a better understanding of the difference, between a narcotic and a non-narcotic substance, than this SalMonElla guy does. Incredibly he now identifies mushrooms as being narcotics.
Incredibly he is now trying to tell people that cocaine has been used for thousands of years, when it was only developed within the last 150 years.
Your wasting your time when you respond to him because he has convinced himself that he knows what he's talking about and that the DEA, AMA,
countless medical sources and California voters are all wrong. Reason and facts are lost on this type of know-it-all.
I read where he identified cocaine as having been used for thousands of years. When this false information is revealed to be false, he starts talking about coca leaves.

I agree with you Correct. Energy is just being wasted trying to correct someone like this.
I see what you mean

United States

#430 Mar 13, 2009
Also he first says mushrooms are a narcotic, than he tries to correct that lie by saying that "technically" mushrooms are not a narcotic.

SalMonElla's elevator doesn't go all the way to the top folks!
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#431 Mar 13, 2009
Sal sees your dodge, and raises you this:

http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/marijuana-...
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#432 Mar 13, 2009
Sal, showing you some love ...

One more time, for the guys in the back of the class: it's about how the brain 'reads' these drugs. That is where the risk is measured. So the next time you are wondering why the public won't legalize another harmful drug, try doing a little researching into the scientific database. It's all there. What's there you ask? The balanced, fair appraisal of risk to health, life, functionality, emotions, fetuses and all the rest.

But -- you Pot Bubbas, like poor old Joe ( who apparently was banned from the forum, no surprise )
are unable to discuss, let alone recognize risk. You fools think because you get high from your drug, and because you like the high, that no harm is being done.

What is the longest span of time you've been clean and sober?

Whose child do you nominate to become an addict?

Who pays for your healthcare, rehab, property damage and emotional wreckage? Your mom? Your dad?
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#433 Mar 13, 2009
Oh yeah -- your friend Sal -- bringing the goodies home:

"Research on the long-term effects of marijuana abuse indicates some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system3 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine. Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse."

Source: http://www.addict-help.com/marijuana.asp
Truth

United States

#434 Mar 13, 2009
Saving Hawaii wrote:
<quoted text>
Marijuana is not a narcotic.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html
Marijuana
DEA #: 7360
Non-Narcotic
The DEA is quite clear that while Marijuana is a schedule 1 substance, it is considered a non-narcotic.
Last time, to end this inane discussion, it's not a narcotic.
Thanks for bringing some sanity to this subject. It is very difficult to sort out anything with socially redeeming value from Doctor Salmonella's
postings.
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#435 Mar 13, 2009
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for bringing some sanity to this subject. It is very difficult to sort out anything with socially redeeming value from Doctor Salmonella's
postings.
Fresh from Sal --
Redemption, social or otherwise is right around the corner, if you're willing to reach out for help. You only need call for local NA provider. After that, you'll start understanding that the distinction you seek -- that's the one between a narcotic, a drug, and a plant with drug effects -- is actually an excuse. You want a shield from personally facing an addiction to a dangerous drug. That my friend is your situation.

You'll hoist up one excuse after another to allow yourself to keep using this drug. Until you hit bottom of course. Right now, your excuse -- as weak as it is -- is that the research, really isn't credible research.

You don't have the capacity for a rational discussion about the dangers of drugs like pot, because as soon as you enter it, you have to face the fact that you are using a drug.

The question I have -- is why spend so much energy pretending you don't enjoy this drug?

You enjoy the drug high; you spend good money on your drug; you pursue your drug; your cherish your drug -- why? It delivers a euphoria. How? It goes right to the brain and effects a certain class of cells that give the experience of pleasure. In other words -- it's doses your neural pleasure centers. Pssst....that means it works like any good drug should.

Free advice from the Sal:

Instead of trying to turn your leafy drug into conceptual cabbage, and surrounding it with the lame, baseless pot lore, why not celebrate it for what it actually is? A drug, with dangerous side effects.

( It's all a part of growing up)

Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#436 Mar 13, 2009
Sal goes to the well again. This time, boys and girls, it's a present from the NIH:

"The use of marijuana can produce adverse physical, mental, emotional, and behavioral changes, and - contrary to popular belief - it can be addictive. Marijuana smoke, like cigarette smoke, can harm the lungs.4,5,6 The use of marijuana can impair short-term memory,7,8 verbal skills,9 and judgment10 and distort perception.11,12 It also may weaken the immune system13,14,15,16 and possibly increase a user's likelihood of developing cancer.14,17 Finally, the increasing use of marijuana by very young teens may have a profoundly negative effect upon their development.9, 18, 19,20"
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#437 Mar 13, 2009
Oh yes, Sal delivers:

Again -- for those of you considering pregnancy -- some hard facts from the NIH:

"Research has shown that some babies born to women who used marijuana during their pregnancies display altered responses to visual stimuli, increased tremulousness, and a high-pitched cry, which may indicate problems with neurological development.54, 75 During the preschool years, marijuana-exposed children have been observed to perform tasks involving sustained attention and memory more poorly than nonexposed children do.55,56 In the school years, these children are more likely to exhibit deficits in problem-solving skills, memory, and the ability to remain attentive.55,56"
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#438 Mar 13, 2009
Sanity, with a little help from Sal:

(Straight and unedited, from the source, the NIH)

"Along with craving, withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop using the drug.49 People trying to quit report irritability, difficulty sleeping, and anxiety.59,60 They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately 1 week after they last used the drug.61"
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#439 Mar 13, 2009
And Sal wondered why Johnny couldn't read.

"In addition to its addictive liability, research indicates that early exposure to marijuana can increase the likelihood of a lifetime of subsequent drug problems."
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#440 Mar 13, 2009
Other than 12 step programs, Sal's research finds that recovery can be difficult. But scientists are working on new treatments for pot addictions:

(Again, thanks to the NIH)

"No medications are now available to treat marijuana abuse. However, recent discoveries about the workings of THC receptors have raised the possibility that scientists may eventually develop a medication that will block THC's intoxicating effects. Such a medication might be used to prevent relapse to marijuana abuse by reducing or eliminating its appeal."
Sal Mon Ella

Fairfield, IA

#441 Mar 13, 2009
And you wonder why Sal refers to POt as a narcotic.
Live it, learn it, love it kids.

(Thanks to the NIH)

"As THC enters the brain, it causes a user to feel euphoric - or "high" - by acting in the brain's reward system, areas of the brain that respond to stimuli such as food and drink as well as most drugs of abuse. THC activates the reward system in the same way that nearly all drugs of abuse do, by stimulating brain cells to release the chemical dopamine.30,31,32"
Lets ban it

Paradise, CA

#442 Mar 13, 2009
Caffeine is an addictive substance, so let's outlaw pepsi cola and coffee. It is a dangerous drug.
Standing with you

Paradise, CA

#443 Mar 13, 2009
some1whocares wrote:
RE: http://www.safercolorado.org/safer-doc this certainly shows that marijuana is such a horrible drug! It is not only safer than alcohol but I'd rather be around a stoner than an alcoholic any day!!!
Thanks for the information. I was undecided until I read your post and went to the web site that you listed. I am now convinced that alcohol and tobacco are narcotics. It would be nice to see Sal Mon Ella fall out of love with seeing his posts in this forum, overcome his childish obsession with Marijuana as the "evil killer weed", and inform people that the real danger to life and health is alcohol and tobacco But I don't think he is interested in truth. His real interest lies in saving his job, which is in jeopardy because of the title wave of Marijuana legalization that is coming to the United States of America.

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