Two teens killed in Smithtown crash -

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Two teenagers were killed, and another critically injured, in a car accident in Smithtown Wednesday, Suffolk County police said.
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Boston, MA

#1 Oct 31, 2007
the driver steve was in a prior car accident less than a month ago, also while he was driving. The driving age needs to be highered, these teenage drivers are to irresponsible for the responsibitly.
friend

Centereach, NY

#2 Oct 31, 2007
steve has a full license not a junior license. i know for a fact he went through drivers ed and passed his road test.
wiw

Millersville, PA

#3 Oct 31, 2007
friend wrote:
steve has a full license not a junior license. i know for a fact he went through drivers ed and passed his road test.
Your statement is in direct conflict with the police who issued a summons for operating out of license.

Do you also know for a fact whether the others in the car were belted up, as required by law?

There is another much longer thread on same subject.
ttt

Brentwood, NY

#4 Oct 31, 2007
dude your from roslyn heights lol steve went to smithtown and no he did only have a jouniors, if your not of age you cant get a senior license... Stay strong steve
Flutterby

Englewood, CO

#5 Nov 1, 2007
wiw wrote:
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There is another much longer thread on same subject.
Any idea what happened to that longer thread? I can't find it...
Flutterby

Englewood, CO

#6 Nov 1, 2007
ttt wrote:
dude your from roslyn heights lol steve went to smithtown and no he did only have a jouniors, if your not of age you cant get a senior license... Stay strong steve
The towns/state listed under your user ID are not where you actually live in most cases. Mine has indicated I come from other states or towns. I think it's something random that Newsday does.
Ahab

West Babylon, NY

#7 Nov 1, 2007
Was the driver speeding? Was he weaving in and out of traffic? What caused him to lose control of his vehicle? Why was he on the road during school hours? How long will it take for all the families affected by this tragedy to recover? How/why do we allow these tragedies to continue to occur time after time? Is the collective memory so short? So callous? Perhaps it is easier just to forget and get on with our lives? How many disasters and loss of lives will it take to induce NY State to spend the dollars to finally and completely redesign and rebuild this road segment.

This section of Route 25 between Old Willets Path and Meadow Road in Smithtown is hazardous to motorists for a number of reasons, and has been for as long as anyone can remember. Previous improvements have provided only minor remediation. The roadway remains too narrow in light of motorist driving behavior. The four painted yellow lines separating opposing traffic is absurd. The pavement seems never to be in the best condition. Too many motorists use the long, straight stretch as a speedway. Many others prefer to stay in the left lane to avoid drivers obeying the speed limit in the right lane. The road section heading east as one approaches Meadow Road curves fairly sharply to the right on a downward slope. Line-of-sight to the intersection traffic light is nil. A driver heading west in the late afternoon is blinded by the sun, and can be visually confused by the reflective black crack-filler material covering the pavement.
High School Kid

Cranston, RI

#8 Nov 1, 2007
Ready?? I'll get it started, here we go:

1st of all all u need to sht up cuz u all think u no wat hapened but u have no idea, steve drivez grate and this wuz n acident and u hav all made mistakes 2 im shore and u hav no rite to cum on hear and comment about sumthin u no nuthin about.
neighbor

Poughkeepsie, NY

#9 Nov 1, 2007
first off, my location will be poughkeepsie because i live here where i attend marist college. those locations are done through newsday. i was a smithtown high school student, graduate of '05, and i personally know steve, and my brother is a friend of steve's and also a senior who could have easily been in the car with him. high school kid from sheldonville, if you're going to speak on a matter like this, please type with a bit better grammar without the cuzs and cums. ..not necessary. yes, that particular stretch of road is extremely dangerous and many accidents happen there. it is sad that this had to happen and i along with other smithtown residents and friends who are and aren't in the area right now are grieving and devastated by this loss and our prayers are with the families involved.
neighbor

Poughkeepsie, NY

#10 Nov 1, 2007
i would like to point out that if steve was driving to or from campus, he was permitted by smithtown high school security. to park on campus and thus being allowed to enter and exit campus during lunch period, you need a school permit parking sticker. to acquire this sticker, a requirement of the school is that you have a full license: class d.
I WONDER

Brooklyn, NY

#11 Nov 1, 2007
Flutterby wrote:
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Any idea what happened to that longer thread? I can't find it...
I CANT FIND IT EITHER, AND ITS DRIVING ME CRAZY
NY Grannie

Chester, NY

#12 Nov 1, 2007
neighbor wrote:
i would like to point out that if steve was driving to or from campus, he was permitted by smithtown high school security. to park on campus and thus being allowed to enter and exit campus during lunch period, you need a school permit parking sticker. to acquire this sticker, a requirement of the school is that you have a full license: class d.
So therefore, it is all the school's fault. Actually go down by any street near the HSW and y ou will find cars parked there by kids who CAN NOT get parking permits because they have junior licenses. The police said he was driving with a junior license. Therefore, it was illegal for him to be driving to school or going out to lunch. Sure, children make errors in judgment. This error killed 3 people. Two of them assumed some responsibility for their own fates because they climbed into a car with a driver they knew was driving illegally. The other was a young, innocent boy in the car with him Mom who just happened to be in the path of this car being driven illegally.

How did this driver get the car - who gave him the car keys????
Jon

Bronx, NY

#13 Nov 1, 2007
neighbor wrote:
i would like to point out that if steve was driving to or from campus, he was permitted by smithtown high school security. to park on campus and thus being allowed to enter and exit campus during lunch period, you need a school permit parking sticker. to acquire this sticker, a requirement of the school is that you have a full license: class d.
he could have parked on campus then walked off... I heard that he may have his senior license, it just wasnt on it... it could have been in the mail or something.
wow

West New York, NJ

#14 Nov 1, 2007
ttt wrote:
dude your from roslyn heights lol steve went to smithtown and no he did only have a jouniors, if your not of age you cant get a senior license... Stay strong steve
but he was 17, he was of age to get a full liscense because he did pass drivers ed and his road test, the only mistake he might have made was not going to dmv with his juniors liscense when he turned 17 to get a full license, he was able to drive people need to stop blaming people
smithtown

East Northport, NY

#15 Nov 3, 2007
Everyone just stop. i dont care if your from poughkeepsie, smithtown, or africa. It doesnt matter. These kids were 17 and so young. It is incredibly inhuman to say that they deserved to die just because they might not have been wearing seatbelts or because they were driving with someone who wasnt a good driver. This all really doesnt matter much anymore. Kids do this all the time. If any of you have kids, dont be on your high horse so much because i guarentee that they have done the same thing. Its sad that these kids had to made examples for the whole school. Think about their families, their closest friends, their classmates. I understand that we need to look at past accidents to learn from new ones but i guarentee that if any of you had someone close to you die like this you wouldnt be here judging all the way from where ever you live.
Im not going to lie and say i knew the kid really well and he was a great driver, because what i have heard from kids who drove with him.. he wasnt. But i am close friends with people who were close to them. All i am saying is that you have no idea what school was like the past week. No idea. So think before you post such hurtful things. Im not pointing this to just one person, its to all for you in general so dont get defensive and selfish.

by the way dont bother responding to this because im never going to this website again.
Zoe

Hawthorne, NJ

#16 Nov 3, 2007
Flutterby wrote:
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Any idea what happened to that longer thread? I can't find it...
Look under Nesconset, NY Forum
NY Grannie

Chester, NY

#17 Nov 4, 2007
smithtown wrote:
It is incredibly inhuman to say that they deserved to die just because they might not have been wearing seatbelts or because they were driving with someone who wasnt a good driver.
Nobody is trying to be inhumane. It is a sin that children died in this way. Adults are responsible for their children and adults put the keys into the hands of a child who was not capable or experienced enough to handle the responsibility of driving others.
mom of teenagers

Paterson, NJ

#18 Nov 4, 2007
it was a horrible tragedy. my thoughts and prayers are with the families.
Joe

Elizabeth, NJ

#19 Nov 4, 2007
Missing the point people. Senior license does not equal good driver. Judging from the wreck pics he was clearly exceeding the speed limit. When the police investigation deems that so he should be prosecuted for manslaughter. The parents of those that dies should sue him and his parents (who probably own the car) and take every cent they can get. Put a lien on their house if necessary. If the junior license report is true then he definitely had no business having access to that vehicle and therefore the parents bear a great deal of culpability. It's a tragedy for all involved but an example should be made. Prosecution and civil litigation is unfortunately our only recourse.
Re JOe

Hicksville, NY

#20 Nov 4, 2007
Joe wrote:
Missing the point people. Senior license does not equal good driver. Judging from the wreck pics he was clearly exceeding the speed limit. When the police investigation deems that so he should be prosecuted for manslaughter. The parents of those that dies should sue him and his parents (who probably own the car) and take every cent they can get. Put a lien on their house if necessary. If the junior license report is true then he definitely had no business having access to that vehicle and therefore the parents bear a great deal of culpability. It's a tragedy for all involved but an example should be made. Prosecution and civil litigation is unfortunately our only recourse.
First the junior license thing is false. I don't know how many times on how many boards people can say this before people like you get it. Second, the accident would have been no different if the same thing had happened and both cars were going 55. No one knows why he lost control. Absolutly no one. Don't jump to conclusions like so many of the asses on here. The facts are that he had his full license something happened and he crossed the 4 yellow lines and that three innocent lives were lost. Those are the facts. Lets stick to them people!

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