Smithtown votes against library-expan...

Smithtown votes against library-expansion bond -

There are 19 comments on the Newsday story from Oct 11, 2007, titled Smithtown votes against library-expansion bond -. In it, Newsday reports that:

Smithtown's ambitious library building project, which would have expanded and updated the town's three existing libraries, was defeated last night by less than 150 votes.

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Melissa

United States

#1 Oct 11, 2007
As a town of Smithtown resident I am very disappointed by this. I was so looking forward to a new and updated library system, especially the bigger & better Nesconset Library. I don't know much about town politics, but I hope that there's a way for a new plan, possibly not as costly, could be proposed so that the Nesconset Library could still be built at the armory site.
tired of it

Morristown, NJ

#2 Oct 11, 2007
With the use of teh internet, we can almost make Libraries obselete.. Expand them? No thank you
Wow

Hicksville, NY

#3 Oct 11, 2007
tired of it wrote:
With the use of teh internet, we can almost make Libraries obselete.. Expand them? No thank you
Your obvious illiteracy shows that we need libraries more than ever. Perhaps you would like to enroll in an Adult Literacy course at your local "liberry."
anonymous

Englewood, CO

#4 Oct 11, 2007
tired of it wrote:
With the use of teh internet, we can almost make Libraries obselete.. Expand them? No thank you
Right because you can trust everything you read on the internet!
Scott

United States

#5 Oct 11, 2007
I voted it down because us working stiff residents are already overtaxed. The royal class citizens ("public servants") think they can keep skimming just a little more. Well pretty soon there's nothing left to skim.

I believe the bond is just for the infrastructure. If so, more staff will be required with the accompanying generous compensation packages including pensions.
Look out for an additional skimming...
-No thanks...

BTW - The sleazy plan to vote outside the general election didn't work - thankfully the turn out was good...
Matthew

New York, NY

#6 Oct 11, 2007
The plan put to the voters was overly ambitious and expensive. It also neglected to tell you what the additional operating costs would be. I love the library, but never find many people using it anymore. Even for me, I just use the internet to request books and stop by the library to pick them up.
altheajj

Bronx, NY

#7 Oct 12, 2007
Matthew wrote:
The plan put to the voters was overly ambitious and expensive. I love the library, but never find many people using it anymore.
Perhaps not many use the library because it is not as functional as it should be. Middle Country Public Library is probably the core of the community and overflowing with residents during it's business hours. A good, well planned library is a community asset.
Who Needs Libraries

Shoreham, NY

#8 Oct 12, 2007
The Internet is an almost inexhaustable library. Libraries are becoming obselete and only serve seniors and homeless people who want to get out of the cold. If anything, library expenses should be rolled back apace with their diminishing roles as centers of information.
Marion Knott

United States

#10 Oct 12, 2007
I agree with the supervisor, who is not high on my list of favored people. They should have just presented the development of the Nesconset library. The present Nesconset library is rented and so we would be saving that rental money. Also, it should have been done on election day when more people would have voted.
When the Smithtown library was the only town library in Suffolk County, anything the library needed was ussually voted on, in a positive way. I used to be president of the Friends and was against the library going out "on its own" just for the reason of what just happened. I know our town which is supported of the library would have invested in the new Nesconset library.
Marion Knott

United States

#11 Oct 12, 2007
I just posted my comments and was just following directions.
Marion Knott

United States

#12 Oct 12, 2007
I live in St. James and in San Francisco, not Oakland. I support both libraries. It is the only place that I don't use a charge card. My grandchildren use the Smithtown library and are supportive too.
Marion Knott

United States

#13 Oct 12, 2007
altheajj wrote:
<quoted text> Perhaps not many use the library because it is not as functional as it should be. Middle Country Public Library is probably the core of the community and overflowing with residents during it's business hours. A good, well planned library is a community asset.
Matthew is a fine example of our youth. Both his sister and him make use of the library as do their parents. My four other grandchildren in Nissequoge also attend many of the library events and love to "check out" books. Hurray for Matthew-Grandma
Marion Knott

United States

#14 Oct 12, 2007
Matthew wrote:
The plan put to the voters was overly ambitious and expensive. It also neglected to tell you what the additional operating costs would be. I love the library, but never find many people using it anymore. Even for me, I just use the internet to request books and stop by the library to pick them up.
Right on Matthew! Grandma Actually you are using the internet to get the books you want from our wonderful library. I am so proud of you.
Marion Knott

United States

#15 Oct 12, 2007
Who Needs Libraries wrote:
The Internet is an almost inexhaustable library. Libraries are becoming obselete and only serve seniors and homeless people who want to get out of the cold. If anything, library expenses should be rolled back apace with their diminishing roles as centers of information.
Shame on you. I have been using the library since I was four and now am a senior. I use my library in San Francisco and in Smithtown extensively. Sure we have homeless in San Francisco and if the library can give them shelter and a book, why not? I didn't see them in our Smithtown library but your statements make you seem like a person who sees the glass half empty.
Nesconset Resident

Hicksville, NY

#16 Oct 13, 2007
I thought for sure after all the fighting we would pass it. Let's have a re-vote- I bet those who did not vote- will! Who would vote down improving our community and putting an end to paying rent in Nesconset! Great new park- crapy unused building? Anyone else want a re-vote??
Mark Donnelly

Jamaica, NY

#17 Oct 15, 2007
I am a 1968 graduate of St. Anthony's High School (when it was still located in Smithtown, Long Island) and have participated in poetry readings at the Smithtown Public Library in recent years. I feel it is a shame that the budget for Smithtown Public Library expansion was defeated. Public libraries are a source of free education and culture for the entire community.

Sincerely,

Mark Donnelly
Overburdened taxpayer

Huntington, NY

#18 Nov 3, 2007
Is Robert Lusack that oblivious? Or is he just arrogant & inconsiderate?
How about the possibility that the notion exists that maybe, just maybe people would have liked to have more of a say (i.e more choices to select) with regards to what kind of expansion plan and how much to spend, and not just only the taxpayers being presented with only one plan. How inconsiderate of the library board to knowingly choose to present it in the way that they did. Give me a break.

Also, what about the very legitimate concern regarding the timing of when to take a bond out? While interest rates are fairly low, if one considers when lending rates were at their very lowest (2003 -2004) as opposed to now, where is the justification as to why it is somehow better to take a bond out now instead of 3 years ago? Is the library district able secure a bond at the lowest possible rate regardless of that? Wouldn't the rate have been even lower 3 years ago? Why isn't anyone from the Smithtown Library board addressing and explaining that clearly?

The bond would have been for $26.1 million to be repaid over 20 years. The total interest paid out would have amounted to $16.7 million. The bond referendum info failed to make it a point to specifically state that figure clearly in print. The library board intentionally chose to not present the interest amount in such a clear manner. In order to figure it out, one had to read the fine print of the proposition to see that $2.14 million would be repaid each year, and then subsequently calculate ON THEIR OWN (instead of the referendum info clearly showing the figures) that this equated to a total amount paid back of $42.8 million. Not that it was hard to figure it out, but the point is that the library board was cognizant of what they were doing and CHOSE to not show these figures. The basis for why they chose to not show these figures clearly is what is troubling. The referendum info also neglected to tell you what the additional operating costs would be inclusive of costs associated with any increase in staffing.

If they are really concerned about why it was voted down, they had better be prepared to address these concerns appropriately and adequately and answer such questions in a manner that is feasible and acceptable in the eyes of a taxpayer (and not just answered in a way that only the library board considers to be a valid explanation).

Since I had these questions & concerns, I had called Mr. Lusack & left a voicemail message prior to the vote. He never had the decency to return my call. As such he left me with no choice but to vote it down.
Libraryuser

East Meadow, NY

#19 Feb 14, 2008
Who Needs Libraries wrote:
The Internet is an almost inexhaustable library. Libraries are becoming obselete and only serve seniors and homeless people who want to get out of the cold. If anything, library expenses should be rolled back apace with their diminishing roles as centers of information.
Have you every been to your library in Huntington Station? I assume from your comment that you are neither homeless nor a senior citizen; however, you are incorrect about who goes to the library. The internet is only as good as the information that can be verified. ANYONE can post information on the INTERNET and say it is a FACT. And when was the last time you read a novel, watched a movie, or listened to music on the internet?
are you serious

Deer Park, NY

#20 Mar 10, 2008
to answer your last question, it was yesterday, last week, month and year. maybe if you were aware of what can be done on the internet you would have voted NO as well. but lets spend 40 million on a building that has maybe a decade of use left in it. and if you dont believe watch any 4 year old kid work a computer and try to imagine them going to a library to find a book or some information. just because you cannot work a vcr does not mean every other generation will be so technologically challenged.
Libraryuser wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you every been to your library in Huntington Station? I assume from your comment that you are neither homeless nor a senior citizen; however, you are incorrect about who goes to the library. The internet is only as good as the information that can be verified. ANYONE can post information on the INTERNET and say it is a FACT. And when was the last time you read a novel, watched a movie, or listened to music on the internet?

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