Downward spiral of landmark restaurant Bavarian Inn

Full story: Newsday 43
It's been 18 months since town fire marshals broke down the door at the Bavarian Inn - a move that started the slow downward spiral for its owner, Vincent Tramontana. Full Story
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Helmut

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Oct 23, 2008
ach tung!
Rommel

Montvale, NJ

#2 Oct 23, 2008
Clearly sounds like a case of political strong-arming.Could it be someone in the Town Of Schmidtown has an alternate plan for the place? A park for the residents? Don't make me laugh.This piece of property is a goldmine for some dirty politico and his corrupt cronies.Condemn it,close it,vandalize it and then buy it at a foreclosed cost.Town corruption at it's best.
Kokomo Joe

Columbus, OH

#3 Oct 23, 2008
So this is how the Town skells manage to get someone to sell them their property? Smithtown should be ashamed. And the fat asses at the fire department are no better. Standing water outside of the emergency exits? There are probably a 100 restaurants in the town that should be shut down immediately, and they're worried about water outside a fire exit? Pa-lease! If he were legally opened, what would he do, have a guy with a squeegee outside? What a bunch of assrags. Never did like you stuff shirt types in Smithtown anyway!
Kokomo Joe

Columbus, OH

#4 Oct 23, 2008
Oh! Yeah, the bull has no balls! Take care of that, would ya?
themarlboroman

Jersey City, NJ

#5 Oct 23, 2008
Rommel and Helmut, your are such idiots.

In april 2007 there was 2-3 feet of water in parts of the basement with raw sewage floating on top. This was caused by excessively high groundwater - the lake was over the parking lot and almost up to the front doors. The lake had wrapped around the building, into the parking lot and down into the basement doors. The refrigerators, freezers and paper goods are stored down there. If it weren't for the town and the board of health he would have reopened for his next party and the guests would have no idea what catasrophe lied beneath.

Vinny should have cut his losses when he was offered the 2.5 million but his greed stood in the way and now all of the taxpayers have to take the burden of his bad business sense.

In the winter before the big flood in April 2007 the owner had issues with broken pipes in the ceiling due to the harsh winter temperatures and these leaks caused damage to the building(first floor ceiling, walls and floor)that went unrepaired, caused further damage to the first floor and contributed to the mold problem.

After the closure in 2007 the building went vacant and into disrepair. Homeless people lived in the building, as well as the junkies looking for somewhere to flop. The neighborhood kids have been through there and ignited a few nuisance fires.

Over the winter 2007-2008 a sprinkler pipe broke and completely flooded the basement to a point where parts of the first floor had some standing water. By that point the wood floors and subfloors had buckles and rises from the previous water damage, let alone the unkown conditions of the piers holding the building up in the flooded basement. After that point there is no way the building could come back - over a year of neglect and deterioration and serious structural damage.

What newsday does not print is that the parking lot has been a "pickle park" or "lovers lane" for years. Between the alternative lifestyle club that operated at the BI up to it's closure and the bar next door there was plenty of action to watch in the BI parking lot. With illicit drug use on the rise, that is just another operation working out of that parking lot. Between the building eyesore, the trash in the lot, and the overnight clientele - I will be happy the day it is razed, and hopefully before someone gets hurt.
My Opinion

AOL

#6 Oct 23, 2008
He shoudl have sold it when he was offered the 2.5. But the town could have also helped him to a point with the flooding/lake issues. If the guy is/was so strapped for cash maybe he should have bailed out long before this happened. Sounds like he was living day to day. I think it would be best atthis point if the place was knocked down by the town....now it is just an eyesore and a place for the hookers and druggies of Lake Ronkonkoma....something this area has been highly known for for over 25 years. The area is a rat hole to begin with, if the toen was smart they would get rid of the nasty stip motel and try to make the area better !
paul

Fairfield, CT

#7 Oct 23, 2008
My heart goes out to this guy, a decent, hard working guy that the parasites with the overpaid government jobs are seeking to destroy. I wonder what the government leeches will do when people like Vincent are all gone and the government is bankrupt?
themarlboroman

Jersey City, NJ

#8 Oct 23, 2008
You people make me sick. YOU are what is wrong with this town and county. This has nothing to do with local govenrment. The lake level of the lake used to be so bad it flooded over smithtown blvd years ago. Nature is not the town's fault.

Why should government constantly bail out people who make bad decisions?

Try this - his business was failing before the lake swamped his operation. He consistently made poor decisions. By the winter of 2006-2008 he was operating a nightclub one night a week out of a ratty, run down, outdated catering hall and he was probably making enough money to keep the lights on. I wouldn't even house criminals in this building back then because it was so disgusting. He is using this all as an exuse for a golden parachute.
What is that all about

North Brunswick, NJ

#9 Oct 23, 2008
themarlboroman wrote:
Rommel and Helmut, your are such idiots.
In april 2007 there was 2-3 feet of water in parts of the basement with raw sewage floating on top. This was caused by excessively high groundwater - the lake was over the parking lot and almost up to the front doors. The lake had wrapped around the building, into the parking lot and down into the basement doors. The refrigerators, freezers and paper goods are stored down there. If it weren't for the town and the board of health he would have reopened for his next party and the guests would have no idea what catasrophe lied beneath.
Vinny should have cut his losses when he was offered the 2.5 million but his greed stood in the way and now all of the taxpayers have to take the burden of his bad business sense.
In the winter before the big flood in April 2007 the owner had issues with broken pipes in the ceiling due to the harsh winter temperatures and these leaks caused damage to the building(first floor ceiling, walls and floor)that went unrepaired, caused further damage to the first floor and contributed to the mold problem.
After the closure in 2007 the building went vacant and into disrepair. Homeless people lived in the building, as well as the junkies looking for somewhere to flop. The neighborhood kids have been through there and ignited a few nuisance fires.
Over the winter 2007-2008 a sprinkler pipe broke and completely flooded the basement to a point where parts of the first floor had some standing water. By that point the wood floors and subfloors had buckles and rises from the previous water damage, let alone the unkown conditions of the piers holding the building up in the flooded basement. After that point there is no way the building could come back - over a year of neglect and deterioration and serious structural damage.
What newsday does not print is that the parking lot has been a "pickle park" or "lovers lane" for years. Between the alternative lifestyle club that operated at the BI up to it's closure and the bar next door there was plenty of action to watch in the BI parking lot. With illicit drug use on the rise, that is just another operation working out of that parking lot. Between the building eyesore, the trash in the lot, and the overnight clientele - I will be happy the day it is razed, and hopefully before someone gets hurt.
What's wrong with a lover's lane?
frankie

Bronx, NY

#10 Oct 23, 2008
hey did your grandfather own willow blinds on the corner of madison st and wilson ave bklyn . his name was charlie.
thetruth isoutthere

Brooklyn, NY

#11 Oct 23, 2008
themarlboroman wrote:
Rommel and Helmut, your are such idiots.
In april 2007 there was 2-3 feet of water in parts of the basement with raw sewage floating on top. This was caused by excessively high groundwater - the lake was over the parking lot and almost up to the front doors. The lake had wrapped around the building, into the parking lot and down into the basement doors. The refrigerators, freezers and paper goods are stored down there. If it weren't for the town and the board of health he would have reopened for his next party and the guests would have no idea what catasrophe lied beneath.
Vinny should have cut his losses when he was offered the 2.5 million but his greed stood in the way and now all of the taxpayers have to take the burden of his bad business sense.
In the winter before the big flood in April 2007 the owner had issues with broken pipes in the ceiling due to the harsh winter temperatures and these leaks caused damage to the building(first floor ceiling, walls and floor)that went unrepaired, caused further damage to the first floor and contributed to the mold problem.
After the closure in 2007 the building went vacant and into disrepair. Homeless people lived in the building, as well as the junkies looking for somewhere to flop. The neighborhood kids have been through there and ignited a few nuisance fires.
Over the winter 2007-2008 a sprinkler pipe broke and completely flooded the basement to a point where parts of the first floor had some standing water. By that point the wood floors and subfloors had buckles and rises from the previous water damage, let alone the unkown conditions of the piers holding the building up in the flooded basement. After that point there is no way the building could come back - over a year of neglect and deterioration and serious structural damage.
What newsday does not print is that the parking lot has been a "pickle park" or "lovers lane" for years. Between the alternative lifestyle club that operated at the BI up to it's closure and the bar next door there was plenty of action to watch in the BI parking lot. With illicit drug use on the rise, that is just another operation working out of that parking lot. Between the building eyesore, the trash in the lot, and the overnight clientele - I will be happy the day it is razed, and hopefully before someone gets hurt.
Having been to a event right before he flooded, I can tell you that the place was a dump. Also speaking to several people who worked at BI said the flooding happened all the time. I have heard that this owner was trying to do something else to the property ( like new buildings etc) All I can tell is that wants the county buy his mess.I too can't wait until it razed.
Jay

United States

#12 Oct 23, 2008
Would you take $2.5 million and run?

At least someone is taking a stand in revitalizing the area. But it just bugs me that the taxpayer is left with not only the eyesore and drug/overnight issues but for the town or county to go thru the cost of condemnation and clean up. Sounds similar to the whole trailer home issue just a few years ago.

“Small gov't.Low taxes, Freedom”

Since: Mar 07

Ronkonkoma

#13 Oct 23, 2008
" The town's engineer has said the pumping has nothing to do with groundwater problems around the lake."

The Town's engineer is full of Sh! t

It IS the pumping from Brown's road that caused this flooding, and Marlboroman you seem to know an aweful lot about what was going on at the Bavarian Inn, who are you? the man who offerred the 2.5 mil?

Or just someone working for the LIARS at Smithtown Town Hall?

There is NO way on God's green earth that a little bit of Rain in October 3 years ago is going to STILL have an effect on the groundwater level at Lake Ronkonkoma. The Lake and the bog across from the Bavarian Inn have swelled due to Smithtown payoffs rerouting groundwater from Brown's Road into the bog north of the lake.

It's all Smithtown Government corruption and the poor folks who own homes around the bog, and this poor sap who was just trying to run his business get screwed.

Business as usual. Long Island is a model for the country of Political corruption and Cronyism.

What a disgrace.
paul

Fairfield, CT

#14 Oct 23, 2008
themarlboroman wrote:
You people make me sick. YOU are what is wrong with this town and county. This has nothing to do with local govenrment. The lake level of the lake used to be so bad it flooded over smithtown blvd years ago. Nature is not the town's fault.
Why should government constantly bail out people who make bad decisions?
Try this - his business was failing before the lake swamped his operation. He consistently made poor decisions. By the winter of 2006-2008 he was operating a nightclub one night a week out of a ratty, run down, outdated catering hall and he was probably making enough money to keep the lights on. I wouldn't even house criminals in this building back then because it was so disgusting. He is using this all as an exuse for a golden parachute.
It might be much better if you turned your attention to improving the slum you live in, instead of sticking your nose into the business of suffolk county people. You make me sick!
Jack

Far Rockaway, NY

#15 Oct 23, 2008
This place has been a dump for years...long before 2007. I was at an event there around 2003 and it was horrible....the floor was buckling and it smelled bad. I was at a wedding there in the late 80's and then it was a nice place......so shame on the owner for letting his business deteriate like that. He should have sold it when he had the chance.....even if they let him open it, he would have never had the business he use to have. I hope they tear that place down, it's an eyesore.
Common

Morrow, GA

#16 Oct 23, 2008
Sounds like a both sides had some hand at the downfall of the Bavarian Inn..... It is a shame but resolution not nostalgic waxing or finger pointing is what is needed. Sell it to a private developer
In the 44Rescue

West New York, NJ

#17 Oct 23, 2008
Ok Newsday, lets be a little more realistic here. The Fire Marshals didn't break down any doors, they in-fact responded to a complaint from the Nesconset Fire Department who was on site handling an electrical emergency.

The water dripping near a circuit breaker panel was actually at that point about 4 feet of water and sewage in the basement. Between the black mold and water damaged structural components and electrical equipment, the town made the choice to err on the side of safety and have the building shut down and the electrical equipment shut down.

Currently the basement is flooded right to the ground floor structure and as the building is still being broken into and vandalized, at least none of the fools trespassing will get electrocuted (they may however drown).

The building is indeed an eyesore and a hazard, if a fire occurred there right now, the fire department would be foolish to enter the building.

Hopefully the county will purchase the property and remove the building before someone is injured or killed.
themarlboroman

Jersey City, NJ

#18 Oct 23, 2008
Paul, you are a bigger JO than I originally thought. Do you really think that someone from Brooklyn would have that much inside info on the issues? Take the time to pull your head out of your a*s*s before you try to leverage an argument through animosity for someone who knows a little more about something than you.

Lost Rights - the same for you. It's called nature. Was the town pumping the groundwater back in the 80's when there was flooding, I don't think so. And it wasn't from one rain fall, it was from an entire wet season of rain after a bunch of seasons with less than normal rain.

I feel bad for the people who are suffering, even though they chose to buy homes in low lying areas below the level of the lake and the money is better spent on the many than Vinny the man with poor business skills. What is next, bailing out Parsnips? The skell hole apartments next door?
paul

Fairfield, CT

#19 Oct 23, 2008
themarlboroman wrote:
Paul, you are a bigger JO than I originally thought. Do you really think that someone from Brooklyn would have that much inside info on the issues? Take the time to pull your head out of your a*s*s before you try to leverage an argument through animosity for someone who knows a little more about something than you.
Lost Rights - the same for you. It's called nature. Was the town pumping the groundwater back in the 80's when there was flooding, I don't think so. And it wasn't from one rain fall, it was from an entire wet season of rain after a bunch of seasons with less than normal rain.
I feel bad for the people who are suffering, even though they chose to buy homes in low lying areas below the level of the lake and the money is better spent on the many than Vinny the man with poor business skills. What is next, bailing out Parsnips? The skell hole apartments next door?
Anyone who lies about their name and hometown does not deserve the respect of anyone. Are you a coward, or is your name something to be ashamed of?
Silent Bob

Morrow, GA

#20 Oct 23, 2008
The place has been a dump for many years and it is divine intervention that there was an electrical problem before customers got sick from the mold. Parsnips is a dump and the real injustice in Smithtown is the loss of the world famous Horse and Jockey!!!!!

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