Plans unveiled for stretch in Smithtown to slow drivers

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The state Department of Transportation yesterday unveiled changes to a stretch of roadway in Smithtown where three teenagers were killed last year.
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jim

New York, NY

#22 Jun 27, 2008
Seems DOT should be remaned to DIM-witted. Do they really think eliminating 1 lane will help? We all know how people drive on the shoulder. However, If this were the PLAN to cause more DEATHS than every one would agree that DIM-DOT is on the right track.
Why don't you do what New Jersey did, install JERSEY BARRIERS and put a jug handle turn into the park.
STJ

Bronx, NY

#26 Jun 27, 2008
I wondered too, why they wouldn't do a concrete barrier in the middle. I looked at the center lines the other day and there really isn't enough room to put one in right now. The base of those things is much thicker than you realize.

I'm sure any change will cause lane changes though. Isn't part of that section over water? They wouldn't then just be widening a road, they would be widening a bridge. Which I'm sure they're not going to want to do.$$$
me too

Commack, NY

#27 Jun 27, 2008
Brian M wrote:
Just lower the speed limit and add cops once a week. Idiots. Now the traffic is going to increase in residential areas with people trying to get around this mess.
Agree with you. Bone headed ideas, when police enforcement can do what is needed. Waste of taxpayer money once again. Who's really in charge?
Nina Robinson

Bronx, NY

#28 Jun 27, 2008
A concrete divider should be installed in the median area of this section of road. Just widening the painted median is not secure enough.

Since: Jun 08

Brooklyn, NY

#29 Jun 28, 2008
Maybe they should put properly spaced poles in the middle to stop people from crossing over into oncoming traffic while still offering the option of killing themselves.
If three teenage drivers were killed on this road last year the problem isnít with the road.
Keen Observer

Medford, NY

#30 Jun 28, 2008
I grew up in that area and that stretch of road hasn't changed in over 35 years.

What is the ratio of deaths over the years. Did it suddenly change or have the drivers?
I'm thinking we should stop looking at the road and do more to get the drivers up to snuff. They need to stop treating the symptoms and take care of the disease.
Just Wondering

New Canaan, CT

#31 Jun 28, 2008
Independent wrote:
Typical DOT. I agree people drive WAY too fast there, the speed limit is 55 which was way too fast on a stretch with no barriers. Oh 50% of drivers went 60mph? Oh that is shocking, I'd say that sounds low.
So because there was never a realistic speed limit, and because suffolk police who I have to say in all the years I've driven that stretch were no where to be seen, we have spend money that the DOT thinks will solve the problem?
The very same DOT thinks that the problem with the parkways has nothing to do with design as well. I recall a DOT engineer saying it was not due to poor road design that there is so much traffic and accidents on the parkways. Here is some common sense that the DOT seems to lack. You have a 55mph speed limit, lets just say for this example people actually do that speed. Then you get to one of the parkway offramps that is a hairpin turn with little, if any, exit ramp and have to go from 55 to 20mph. That is not due to poor design? There are so many instances where it is clear there needs to be a long exit ramp or entrance ramp or the overpasses need to be replaced to allow more lanes under or over. But the DOT says this is not the case?
Then throw in over-sized SUVs that can barely make a turn on a side street into the mix, small school buses and every other oversized vehicle on the parkway and the DOT cannot figure out why there are problems?
Maybe the DOT needs to hire Engineers with common sense as it seems to be lacking in every sense.
Or maybe drivers need to take responsibility for their own actions. You can erect all the Jersey barriers, walls, whatever, that you want, but if people are going to drive like idiots, they're going to kill and injure themselves and others.

“There's Only One ME!”

Since: Mar 08

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#32 Jun 28, 2008
Keen Observer wrote:
I grew up in that area and that stretch of road hasn't changed in over 35 years.
What is the ratio of deaths over the years. Did it suddenly change or have the drivers?
I'm thinking we should stop looking at the road and do more to get the drivers up to snuff. They need to stop treating the symptoms and take care of the disease.
That would mean the parents, the community and the politicians would have to admit who the problem drivers are. The only statement any of them are capable of making is "not my child".
former long islander

Sanford, FL

#33 Jun 28, 2008
Obviously some local politician or connected party donor resident got to the DOT. Even one of their engineers could not be this stupid.
agreed

Commack, NY

#34 Jun 28, 2008
former long islander wrote:
Obviously some local politician or connected party donor resident got to the DOT. Even one of their engineers could not be this stupid.
Yeah, that is likely what happened. Putting concrete separator between the traffic directions will now become a legal mandate for every roadway having double lines, because the lawyers will use this single case and the DOT prodded solution as a reason for suits where their clients accident occured and there was no concrete separator.
New Jersey uses concrete separators instead of the double line on many of its roads and it makes left turns from the roadway to be impossible, so only right turns are possible from the lane direction. This will make quite a mess for the use of the roads that will now have to have the concrete separator.
Instead, better ticketing by cops would have reduced the over speeding on this road.
It is the drivers of Long Island that are to blame in general, because smart drivers slow down for curved roads, wet roads, roads with snow and ice, and even when sun caused blindness might be there, but many Long Islanders drive like the road is straight, dry, and without any other cars there, yet the reality is staring them in the face. All NYers will have to pay more taxes to cover this extra work that shouldn't have been required if drivers obeyed the drivers laws and operated their cars safely.
No wonder, Suffolk County drivers have the highest car insurance rates in the Country, because we have so many idiots on the road.
Advocate Sanity

Bronx, NY

#35 Jun 28, 2008
With gas approaching $5/gallon, the DOT decides that closing lanes and lowering speed limits is good for the people.

This insane, inept, clueless and incompetent thought process by our government's bureaucracy is why this country is in decline.

Obviously the DOT has never spent even 5 minutes onsite while the parks department closes a lane to perform tree trimming -- Jericho Turnpike is jammed westbound from Route 111, and Route 25A is jammed back to St. Catherines.

You will find me protesting by driving back and forth during rush hour at the absolute minimum speed allowed by law should our leaders decide to go through with this insanity.

Join me, Advocate.Sanity@yahoo.com
jericho driver

West Babylon, NY

#36 Jul 1, 2008
Advocate Sanity wrote:
With gas approaching $5/gallon, the DOT decides that closing lanes and lowering speed limits is good for the people.
This insane, inept, clueless and incompetent thought process by our government's bureaucracy is why this country is in decline.
Obviously the DOT has never spent even 5 minutes onsite while the parks department closes a lane to perform tree trimming -- Jericho Turnpike is jammed westbound from Route 111, and Route 25A is jammed back to St. Catherines.
You will find me protesting by driving back and forth during rush hour at the absolute minimum speed allowed by law should our leaders decide to go through with this insanity.
Join me, Advocate.Sanity@yahoo.com
SANITY or GOOFY??? That's the kind of thinking that deserves a 25mph speed limit

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