Water bill readings have 'disappeared...

Water bill readings have 'disappeared' in Neponset

There are 76 comments on the Bureau County Republican story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Water bill readings have 'disappeared' in Neponset. In it, Bureau County Republican reports that:

Where oh where have the water bill readings gone? Village Trustee Wayne Gerrond told the village board the readings for the June/July water bills “disappeared.” Trustee Tom Weeks questioned how the readings could get lost? Marcus Chapman, village employee, told the board he dropped off the readings as usual in the old city clerk drop ...

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Rick

United States

#41 Feb 10, 2010
liars wrote:
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There has to be order. If people were allowed to talk endlessly in the open comments period the meetings would last hours. If someone wants to be heard longer contact the Mayor and get your item on the agenda. They don't have to give us any time to talk at the end, they only do so as a courtesy.
Well there you go with that better than everyone attitude.That is just the same crap that was there before.That is part of the problem with that town. No one on that board should be to good to listen to the people of the town.After all they were elected not born to the position they hold presently.And the Mayor and the board don't have all the answers to the multitude of problems that town has now.Some people in Neponset don't want to face the truth of how badly run it has been.Now the town is -2 in the hole.Maybe the gov. of the town should embrace ideas and concerns of the people and not continue on the path that's easiest as in the previous admin.
yeah

United States

#42 Feb 10, 2010
duh. even when u r on the AGENDAu only have 10 minutes to speak!!!!!
liars

Palatine, IL

#43 Feb 12, 2010
yeah wrote:
duh. even when u r on the AGENDAu only have 10 minutes to speak!!!!!
Have you ever spoke continuously for ten minutes. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to fill that kinda time. You can say anything and back it up with whatever points you have to make in that time. Anyone with half a brain could clearly state there case with time for rebuttal from anyone interested. If it isn't enough time your just intellectually dim
liars

Palatine, IL

#44 Feb 12, 2010
Rick wrote:
<quoted text>Well there you go with that better than everyone attitude.That is just the same crap that was there before.That is part of the problem with that town. No one on that board should be to good to listen to the people of the town.After all they were elected not born to the position they hold presently.And the Mayor and the board don't have all the answers to the multitude of problems that town has now.Some people in Neponset don't want to face the truth of how badly run it has been.Now the town is -2 in the hole.Maybe the gov. of the town should embrace ideas and concerns of the people and not continue on the path that's easiest as in the previous admin.
What better then everyone attitude. My comment only illustrated that we are provided a forum to voice complaints when it is not required. It also provided an option for those of us that want time to discuss a problem by being put on the agenda. Everyone who is complaining about this needs to spend a little time in the shoes of a public servant. It is a hard job people, they are doing the best they can with little resources available.

btw, I am better than many of my fellow Neposetians. So you're right that I do have that attitude, it just was not evident by my earlier statement.
hey

United States

#45 Feb 12, 2010
yes we can tell u r one of the board members no matter how DIM u think we are!!!!!!
liars

Palatine, IL

#46 Feb 12, 2010
hey wrote:
yes we can tell u r one of the board members no matter how DIM u think we are!!!!!!
try again buddy, just a resident.

I support the flat rate water bills by the way!

Lets see how many of you attack me for that statement.
hey

United States

#47 Feb 12, 2010
i do too cause i have 7 people in my home yeehaw
trailer trash and company

West Des Moines, IA

#48 Feb 13, 2010
Please explain the fairness of a flat rate. Such as the people with 7 family members paying the same as 2 people. I bet they wouldn't be saying yeehaw if it was the other way around.
liars

Princeton, IL

#49 Feb 14, 2010
trailer trash and company wrote:
Please explain the fairness of a flat rate. Such as the people with 7 family members paying the same as 2 people. I bet they wouldn't be saying yeehaw if it was the other way around.
It adds stability and predictability to a system that is severely limited due to lack of manpower. It will afford the village the capability to make improvements and keep up with maintenance on the system by affording them predictability of income. It will stabilize the budget planning of households so there is never a surprise bill due to abnormal use such as when a leak occurs. Do you want me to go on.
liars

Princeton, IL

#50 Feb 14, 2010
trailer trash and company wrote:
Please explain the fairness of a flat rate. Such as the people with 7 family members paying the same as 2 people. I bet they wouldn't be saying yeehaw if it was the other way around.
Many of you are focusing to much on this abstract concept of fairness. Since when is life fair. Sometimes fairness must take a back seat to practicality and sustainability. Currently we are wasting resources by even attempting to read meters when we don't have the manpower to do so. We are also wasting money by generating custom statements and billing custom amounts instead of generating copies of bills with the same amount. The waste is that of manpower. Over the course of a year a flat rate system will save the county thousands. That is money that could be spent fixing the sidewalk, or improving the water quality we keep complaining about incessantly. Get this idea that there is a conspiracy against people with less people in there homes versus those with more. Gt rid of this obsession with fairness as well. Sometimes what is good for the whole is not going to be good for some. Its called being in a democracy the good of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Sometimes the result isn't fair, but often its an improvement over the status quo.
wow

United States

#51 Feb 14, 2010
hey liars you are full of a lot of B.S.
wow

United States

#52 Feb 14, 2010
And you are full of yourself!!!
liars

Palatine, IL

#53 Feb 15, 2010
wow wrote:
hey liars you are full of a lot of B.S.
The person without a intelligent counter argument resorts to insults, big surprise there. Why not construct a cohesive counter point to the points have made and I will address them.
Dale Denton

Marion, IL

#54 Feb 15, 2010
I don't think it really matters if the billing is a fluxuating, or a flat rate. People just don't have the money to pay these exorbitant rates to begin with. I don't know what the rest of the town pays, but I pay on average,$127/every two months. In my mind, that's a little steep. My neighbor pays $157/every two months. In the end we both pay $142/every two months? Sounds good, if my deduction is correct. Just add me to the ranks of those who are behind in paying their bills.
yeah

United States

#55 Feb 15, 2010
we all pretty much pay that amount and they DO NOT read the meters anyway so they are already playing the guessing game with our bills and before liar comes back and says they do read them several of us have xcovered our meters months ago and they have NOT been disturbed!!!
liars

Palatine, IL

#56 Feb 16, 2010
yeah wrote:
we all pretty much pay that amount and they DO NOT read the meters anyway so they are already playing the guessing game with our bills and before liar comes back and says they do read them several of us have xcovered our meters months ago and they have NOT been disturbed!!!
Your right they have not been read as of late. This is because we don't have the manpower. They used to make valid attempts to read the meters, but that has gone by the wayside due to financial distress of the village amongst other reasons. You are practically making my argument for me in this regard. The fact that the meters have not been read means that the bills generated are estimations. How is this different than the flat rate water bills that are being discussed? Other than the present system is more expensive and burdensome for our village.
trailer trash and company

West Des Moines, IA

#57 Feb 16, 2010
What the h*ll, get rid of the obsession of fairness!!Nice statement,liars, also this isn't star trek, we want fairness for all , not some. Apparently that is to much to ask or ever recieve."The good of the many out weighs the good of the few" beam liars up scotty, His time is up here.Use a big beam he is full of himself also.
liars

Palatine, IL

#58 Feb 17, 2010
trailer trash and company wrote:
What the h*ll, get rid of the obsession of fairness!!Nice statement,liars, also this isn't star trek, we want fairness for all , not some. Apparently that is to much to ask or ever recieve."The good of the many out weighs the good of the few" beam liars up scotty, His time is up here.Use a big beam he is full of himself also.
My point in regard to fairness is this; People are obsessed with fairness to a fault around here. We have this predisposition towards everything being fair that doesn't contemplate the realities of life. Sometimes things just are not fair. For example, a friend of mine who makes less than I do is filing their taxes they paid in over the year about 1200.00 through the withdrawls from there paychecks. They are getting back over 5 thousand dollars because of there exemptions and deductions. Whereas, I am getting back one hundred and fifty bucks after paying in over five thousand over the year. In a fair system my friend would only be able to receive a refund up to the amount he has paid in over the year, instead I have to supplement the increased amount he is receiving at the expense of my own tax liability. I accept this though as the system is extremely complicated and there has to be a system in place. I sacrifice my idea of fairness in exchange for a tax system that allows for predictability and relative stability considering the complexities of the system as a whole.

Similarly, the flat rate water bill would be a sacrifice for some, but as to the whole it would lower the costs to the village and result in a predictability of billing. I do not really understand you Star Trek reference (despite being a fan), but our system is designed to provide for the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few. It is the very fundamental structure of a majoritive democracy.

Finally, no one has addressed any of my points in an intelligent and constructive manner. If you dissagree with me tell me why. Try to use rhetoric and persuasion to convince me to see things your way. That is another fundamental aspect of a majoritive democracy, the ability of the people to openly debate and issue in an attempt to persuade one another. I will address any arguments fairly and concede any point that I cannot refute on an intellectual level.
been there

Wilmington, IL

#59 Feb 17, 2010
I agree with your concepts, if not your opinion. Thanks.
wtf

United States

#60 Feb 17, 2010
our main concern is that we are paying for hazardous water do u drink it? would you let your children or even your dog for that matter>>>read the warnings on the back of your bill by the way where did all the stimulus money go? dont see any improvements anywhere

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