Would you support a flat federal tax ...

Would you support a flat federal tax for everyone? No loop holes No deductions?

Created by The tax man on Feb 16, 2013

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I dont know what tax is

The tax man

United States

#1 Feb 16, 2013
I know why the tax codes are so complicated, I understand that the dc shuffle will go on with our money. When will we stop the maddness??
Friggin facebook made 1.1 billion and they will get 429 million back!!!!!!!!!!
what the hell??????????
So tell me

Chanute, KS

#2 Feb 19, 2013
If you know so much then why is the tax laws so complicated? Mr big shot???????
Please

Independence, KS

#3 Feb 19, 2013
Example: You make a dollar - pay 5 cents on the dollar.
Why

United States

#4 Feb 19, 2013
Why did two vote no? do you not understand?

You like paying more? Or maybe you dont pay any?

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#5 Feb 19, 2013
Please wrote:
Example: You make a dollar - pay 5 cents on the dollar.
Please define that dollar of income...To someone who works for a paycheck, I guess that might be rather easy...gross pay times 5%.

How about someone that is self employed? Define income...not so easy. Is it 5% of gross receipts or does the self employed person get to subtract the expenses of making a living, such as cost of goods sold, utilities, rent, insurance, tools and machinery?

It just isn't a simple 5%(or whatever percent you choose) solution.

Your turn...
Question

Wichita, KS

#6 Feb 19, 2013
Why don't all of us subtract our utilities, etc?
Why

United States

#7 Feb 19, 2013
Without blurring lines it would be so simple even for the self employed. If you get a pay check which includes a check to yourself then pay the five or ten whatever percent in as your tax.
Eleminate the deductions, credits etc...

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#8 Feb 19, 2013
Question wrote:
Why don't all of us subtract our utilities, etc?
Look at it this way...

Say you are employed by a company that makes widgets. You show up for work in the morning ready to work hard at making widgets...what do you bring to work with you? Maybe a lunch pail...and a positive attitude. At the end of the week, the widget factory owner hands you your paycheck Friday afternoon at quitting time. You look at the paystub and in addition the the FICA and Medicare withholdings there is the standard flat tax withholding of 5%. You have paid your income taxes...its time to go home and enjoy the weekend.

The owner of the widget factory has been busy all week selling widgets and has done quite well. He managed to sell $50,000 worth of widgets this week.(Its a small widget factory, after all...)

Let's see...$50,000 times 5% equals $2500...right? But wait a minute, is that fair? The widget factory owner provided a place to work, the machinery that it took to make the widgets and package them for sale. The owner purchased you and your fellow workers labor and matched your FICA and Medicare, paid unemployment taxes on your labor, and workers compensation premiums on your labor.

He also went out and purchased the raw materials that make up the widgets and the freight that it took to get the raw materials to the little widget factory...and remember that place that you assemble those widgets?...It didn't come cheap, the purchase price plus property taxes on the building and the production equipment, plus insurance on the whole shebang...

Oh, and I almost forgot the utilities...

Now do you see why it isn't easy to just say take 5% of someones income as a tax?

You brought your lunch pail and a good attitude to work; the owner brought a lot more with him this morning so you could have a job that pays well and allows you to enjoy your weekend after you stop by the bank and cash your paycheck on a Friday...

P.S.: Hopefully the widget factory owner brought a good attitude to work with him this morning also; no on likes to work with or for an a$$hole...

I would personally like to see a much simpler tax code also, but not everyones circumstances are the same.

Your turn...

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#9 Feb 19, 2013
Why wrote:
Without blurring lines it would be so simple even for the self employed. If you get a pay check which includes a check to yourself then pay the five or ten whatever percent in as your tax.
Eleminate the deductions, credits etc...
Self-employed persons do not get a paycheck. They receive a draw from the business. Because a sole proprietor or partner of a non-incorporated business can put capital into a business and is liable to creditors for everything that the business owns as well as his personal property, they may draw out as much money out of the business or as little as they want. It isn't a paycheck.
Why

United States

#10 Feb 19, 2013
Indy_Dick wrote:
<quoted text>Self-employed persons do not get a paycheck. They receive a draw from the business. Because a sole proprietor or partner of a non-incorporated business can put capital into a business and is liable to creditors for everything that the business owns as well as his personal property, they may draw out as much money out of the business or as little as they want. It isn't a paycheck.
Not true. I own a business and I pay myself a weekly set amount and its a taxable amount. And its a paycheck or an eggsalad it does not matter what its called if you get paid you get paid.

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#11 Feb 19, 2013
Why wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true. I own a business and I pay myself a weekly set amount and its a taxable amount. And its a paycheck or an eggsalad it does not matter what its called if you get paid you get paid.
You can pay yourself a set amount if you wish, but your taxes on an un-incorporated business do not depend on what you pay yourself each week. It depends on what kind of profits (income minus expenses) the business makes, if indeed it makes a profit.
Beaner

Coffeyville, KS

#12 Feb 20, 2013
As you say Indy, a fair solution is not always an easy thing to achieve. You pointed out most of the extra expenses a business has. I submit it is the same for those of us who work construction or travel for a company in our jobs. Away from home expenses, upkeep on transportation, supplying the tools necessary to do the job are just a few extras required.

For my part I would support a national flat tax if the tax itself included payment for each of us for our healthcare. There is no logical reason why our healthcare can not be paid similar to social security and each of us would be responsible for either having healthcare or not having it. This I believe would eliminate insurance companies and HMO's for profit from looting our healthcare system or lack of same according to how we each perceive it. Establish a percentage of what each of us make from any source derived and pay it. If each of us who actually work were able to keep more of what we work for it may spur some to get off thier butts and actually get skills or education instead of having a hand out. The world does not owe any of us anything. Pay as you go is the only answer. Just a thought.
Please

Independence, KS

#13 Feb 20, 2013
Whether you are making money off capital gains or self employed, you make a dollar, you pay a percentage. Self employeed can pay themselves a wage. It has been talked about having a sales tax but the people that are making all the money will still be making it all and the poor will be paying the tax because they are the ones spending. People that are rich don't spend, they save. Don't spend and save at the same time. If they think they can do a sales tax, then they can do the make a dollar, pay a percentage. Could be done, but the rich may not be making a killing. And I do have capital gains.
Whacky People

Independence, KS

#14 Feb 20, 2013
Indy_Dick wrote:
<quoted text>Look at it this way...
Say you are employed by a company that makes widgets. You show up for work in the morning ready to work hard at making widgets...what do you bring to work with you? Maybe a lunch pail...and a positive attitude. At the end of the week, the widget factory owner hands you your paycheck Friday afternoon at quitting time. You look at the paystub and in addition the the FICA and Medicare withholdings there is the standard flat tax withholding of 5%. You have paid your income taxes...its time to go home and enjoy the weekend.
The owner of the widget factory has been busy all week selling widgets and has done quite well. He managed to sell $50,000 worth of widgets this week.(Its a small widget factory, after all...)
Let's see...$50,000 times 5% equals $2500...right? But wait a minute, is that fair? The widget factory owner provided a place to work, the machinery that it took to make the widgets and package them for sale. The owner purchased you and your fellow workers labor and matched your FICA and Medicare, paid unemployment taxes on your labor, and workers compensation premiums on your labor.
He also went out and purchased the raw materials that make up the widgets and the freight that it took to get the raw materials to the little widget factory...and remember that place that you assemble those widgets?...It didn't come cheap, the purchase price plus property taxes on the building and the production equipment, plus insurance on the whole shebang...
Oh, and I almost forgot the utilities...
Now do you see why it isn't easy to just say take 5% of someones income as a tax?
You brought your lunch pail and a good attitude to work; the owner brought a lot more with him this morning so you could have a job that pays well and allows you to enjoy your weekend after you stop by the bank and cash your paycheck on a Friday...
P.S.: Hopefully the widget factory owner brought a good attitude to work with him this morning also; no on likes to work with or for an a$$hole...
I would personally like to see a much simpler tax code also, but not everyones circumstances are the same.
Your turn...
You people need to take a business course. Everyones circumstances would be the same. A flat tax on NET business profit period. You certainly don't get charged income tax on the gross receipts.

Since: Oct 10

Independence, Kansas

#15 Feb 20, 2013
Whacky People wrote:
<quoted text>
You people need to take a business course. Everyones circumstances would be the same. A flat tax on NET business profit period. You certainly don't get charged income tax on the gross receipts.
I was trying to point out that the circumstances are different between a person who owns an un-incorporated business and a wage earner. Yes, the business owner would have to be able to deduct legitimate business expenses from his gross revenues in order to know what the net profit is. If the NET Profit is taxed at a flat rate like the wage earner's paycheck is taxed then that would be fair.

Some of the people were trying to say it was okay to tax the gross revenues at a flat rate. I'm not buying that line of reasoning...
IHS fan and student

Herndon, VA

#16 Feb 21, 2013
A flat tax is what we NEED! Its awful the way it is right now.
abc

United States

#17 Feb 21, 2013
Just have every man woman and child pay $1000.00 per year. Parents responsible for children. Disbann irs. We would be ahead.
The tax man

United States

#18 Feb 21, 2013
I started this just to bitch about large companies paying no tax. I know they have risk and they need incentives. But damn gimme a break. I also know we as a nation must do someting fast if we expect to keep the train rolling. Just something as fair as possible and simple. The reason the current code is so damn complicated (seems to me) is for hiding money and not paying a fair share. I dont know just thinking and forever hoping for good. I know Im a dreamer...

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