Aurora Clinic in Neenah

Aurora Clinic in Neenah

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Vanessa Porph Princess

Menominee, MI

#1 Oct 11, 2007
I am warning everyone about the Aurora Clinic in Neenah. The internal medicine doctor they have "working" there three days a week is the possibly the worst doctor in existence. Incredible. Aurora comes to town, builds this beautiful clinic, then staffs it with this part-time nightmare. I am ill with porphyria and autoimmune disease and my good doctor from Affinity had moved away so I needed someone new, thought I had a decent doctor with her, went to her four times. I am bedridden so transporting me is difficult. I went into a severe porph attack six weeks ago, notified her and she did absolutely nothing. Unlike Theda Clark or Affinity they have no one to come by to pick up lab samples or do blood work. When I asked if there was someone there on her off days to handled things, she left a vile message on my machine at eight in the morning. I needed her authorization for Medicare to take me to their hospital, she never returned my calls or emails. If you have ANY sort of real problem, not just refills on rxes, do not go to Aurora Neenah. She is vile and uncaring, but safe in her "job" since her husband is a neurologist at the Oshkosh clinic and she was part of the "package" deal.
milked patient

United States

#2 Oct 11, 2007
I feel your pain.

Thanks for writing. It is obvious that she isn't too keen on having a medicare patient, probably because medicare doesn't pay too much and you do not have a supplemental health insurance. Hey, if they can't gouge ya, they won't bother with ya.

Go to Dr. Ringwala on Irving St in Oshkosh instead. She doesn't know too much medicine, but at least she'll authorize a hospital for you no questions asked. She's a good ticket through the system.
Vanessa Porph Princess

Menominee, MI

#3 Oct 11, 2007
How nice of you to respond! I do have WPS supplemental, but I honestly am not sure how all of that works. I did write Dr. Ringwala once upon a time and she wasn't interested in treating me either. I was searching for a doctor that wasn't part of the big three. I did go to Lindo-Drusch long ago and liked her alot but after awhile she thought my health was too complicated for a family practice doctor (but that was suspicious, I think it may have been that I wasn't on Medicare yet and had to make payments). I guess I was fortunate to have Dr. Boysel at Affinity for a long time, he was a nice guy. I can't figure out Aurora-granted they may not make as much on me being Medicare, but it's not like they have alot of patients out there, the place is like a morgue. Empty-I was usually the ONLY patient in the entire place!
milked patient

United States

#4 Oct 12, 2007
There is an association that will help you find the help you need.
http://www.porphyriafoundation.com/
On the home page, down a little bit on the right-hand side, is clicking place that is suppose to help you locate a doctor. If that clicking place does not help, then contact them with what you wrote here in your first paragraph.

Even if this association cannot help all that much, at least they will know that Aurora in Neenah, WI the doctors are crap and will report that to the AMA who may just say something to them for you.
Keep us posted.
Vanessa Porph Princess

Menominee, MI

#5 Oct 12, 2007
What a trip you are! Too nice! Desiree (the founder of the APF) knows about what happened,,,,,she's been frustrated about it too-but she had a death in her husband's family so is handling that right now. But I will talk to her about your suggestion on the AMA, I bet she will follow up on that. Part of the problem is there is only one hematology group around here, they have a lock on the hospitals and they are problematic. AHHK! I really appreciate your help,,,,,,I'm finally doing better but it has been a long haul, this was one of my worst attacks...whew!
milked patient

United States

#6 Oct 14, 2007
I see the public relations departments of the medical care industry here in the Fox Valley owns and receives special propaganda treatment from the Gannett News Company. The news headlines always spout the total greatness of both Affinity and Aurora...how they are top in the nation, comparable cost yadda yadda. The biased slant on the reporting always buries the real situation which the patient know firsthand.
The truth is, as I heard from a advocate company (which specifically moved to Milwaukee from the south because of the medical climate existing here in WI would make them tons of profits), the Fox Valley-Milwaukee-Madison-Green Bay area is the second highest priced medical region in the whole nation!
Perhaps you could talk to your APF and they could "advertise" this monetary fact to a group of REAL hematology people who could move here. Competition would do the price in the area good. Plus, the new crew may be more educated to offer superior quality of care...something the area does not currently have...but one would never know this based on price and news bias.
Our area needs REAL doctors, REAL hospitals, REAL laboratories---a REAL health care system...not just the play acting, lying, and gouging that currently goes on.
Vanessa Porph Princess

Menominee, MI

#7 Oct 16, 2007
I totally agree-I heard about that study and was appalled, but not surprised. My few emergency room bills have been MUCH higher than comparable ones at Eisenhower Medical in Rancho Mirage-which I find incredible, most people would think the Palm Springs area would be much higher for it's elitest reputation but the Fox Valley is much higher-plus in Palm Springs you have mostly individual pracitioners, things aren't controlled by three huge corporations. Have you seen on the Aurora website the link to a list of all sorts of people who haev donated money to Aurora in the name of the doctor? Good old Cardelli isn't listed, but there are MANY others--I couldn't believe it! What would possess people to do so? And were they solicited to do it?(for some reason I don't think they'll be asking me! hah!) Back before I was on Medicare, and had been brought back here by my parents, I had an ER bill at Theda Clark which I WAS making payments on yet they sent me to collections anyway!!!!! I've never known of an area that is so mean spirited regarding medical care. And Gold Cross, the ONLY ambulance company is another nightmare-owned by Theda, Affinity and AMC,,,,,,,I WILL talk to Desiree at the APF-she does warn people about this area,,,,but I will push more,
milked patient

United States

#8 Oct 17, 2007
I was worried about inviting Affinity into my life at the end of life. My neighbor man died and his wife called 911. She got the police and also the Affinity ambulance. I thought, if he was already dead, why can't the coroner just come and do his thing at the house? So I called the county coroner and asked if I had to have an ambulance. Well, I didn't much find out about that, but I did find out that if I did NOT call 911, I wouldn't have to have an Affinity ambulance and get gouged out of my mind. I should just call 424 and then 0061(topix won't let me post a phone number the way it is suppose to be written) instead of the emergency 911. I'd get the Oshkosh City ambulance which is tons cheaper! They would even drive a person down to Madison on a moment's notice. This is where my husband has been doctoring since 1979.
And as far as collection agencies...the big health care conglomerates have their own "divisions" that are collection agencies. They aren't technically included in the corporations, but they are none-the-less part of their whole big, sucking enterprise. The minimum wait for payment is exactly 6 months (2 months for the bill to come and 4 months to pay.) Everyone gets treated like a deadbeat, harassed, belittled, phoned, annoyed...who cares that a person is sick in bed...that money has GOT TO FLOW TO THE HOGS and FLOW NOW!
Whatever you do, though....never, ever put a medical bill on your credit card. The bankruptcy change in the law will look kindly on a medical debt, but will push a person automatically out of Chap 7 for consumer debt. Once you put a medical bill on your credit card...then it is consumer debt. The court does not care if you paid a medical charge with your card. They treat it the same as shopping at Target.
Vanessa Porph Princess

Menominee, MI

#9 Oct 19, 2007
It sounds like you're certainly a good neighbor helping with that sort of thing! Yes, I believe the Affinity ambulance is part of Gold Cross, ahhk! I'm glad to know about the Oshkosh City ambulance, I wonder if they will come to Neenah to pick someone up, About a year and a half ago I had a horribly absessed tooth and had such a swollen belly from a porph attack that I couldn't sit up-I needed ambulance transport to Madison to Meriters hospital where they have a fabulous dental clinic-so if I had a reaction to the anesthetic the hospital could treat my porphyria, I called Gold Cross and they wanted $1,500 for one way, wanted it paid in full-although according to Medicare if someone is bedridden more than 18 hours a day, it will pay for ambulance transport-I sent Gold Cross that info from Medicare, but they wouldn't bill it that way, I had used Gold Cross MANY times, even picked me up from a train in Chicago when I came back from Santa Fe-always paid them, but they wouldn't help me-my ex had to put it on a credit card, Meriters couldn't believe it when I told them,they were furious,,,they called three ambulance companies out of the Madison area, all said they would take me back and bill Medicare no problem-so Curtis Ambulance came and brought me home, no charge! One more example of the jerks in the Fox Valley. Fortunately my credit is good now and now that I am on medicare I don't have any outstanding bills except one from Hematology guys which I make a small payment on every month, But you are right about them,,,,,whew!
milked patient

United States

#10 Oct 22, 2007
You should call the Neenah coroner and ask about a Neenah city ambulance. I bet Neenah (city) has their own within the fire department as does the City of Oshkosh. The reason the City of Oshkosh has their own EMT's is because Affinity was holding the city hostage. The Town of Algoma (where I live) was having great problems with Affinity ambulance. Affinity was making life difficult for the township. A man a block away from me and about three blocks from the hospital had to wait for the Affinity ambulance to come all the way from Omro. He was suffering a heart attack and subsequently died while he waited for the ambulance that showed up 30 minutes after the call.
The Oshkosh ambulance that I'd be calling with that above phone number is located at the old HWY 110 fire station, just off of Murdock Street. The guy said when I called him, that they have several vehicles and can accomodate a long haul (like to Madison). Hey, if they can come to the Town of Algoma (10 minutes away), they surely may go to Neenah...the south side, at least. You can call them and just inquire. It isn't an emergency phone number, but is manned 24/7 because it is at the fire station.
milked patient

United States

#11 Oct 22, 2007
Did you hear that Oprah has an underactive thyroid?

I was flipping through the channels and caught her telling that news. She said that she had been going from doctor to doctor to doctor and finally found one that knew what her problem was. Now that she was properly diagnosed, she is receiving the proper medicine, and thus feels as good as new again.

That struck me. Why, oh, why are our "highly" educated physicians so ignorant? Why is it necessary to jump from doctor to doctor to doctor all the time?

The doctors aren't stupid. They just aren't living up to their Hippocratic Oath. It is better for them financially to make a patient revisit the office a good handful of times for the same illness.

The Hippocratic Oath states:
"...I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick,...; I will keep them from harm and injustice...In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art..." meaning never to do deliberate harm to anyone for anyone else's interest.

This sliding on the Oath and the bouncing door policy started in the early 90's around the same time as the HMO's started.

We need to make the Oath a law. If doctors keep harming patients by elongating their curable suffering, they should see the eyes of a judge.
Vanessa Porph Princess

Menominee, MI

#12 Oct 23, 2007
milked patient wrote:
You should call the Neenah coroner and ask about a Neenah city ambulance. I bet Neenah (city) has their own within the fire department as does the City of Oshkosh. The reason the City of Oshkosh has their own EMT's is because Affinity was holding the city hostage. The Town of Algoma (where I live) was having great problems with Affinity ambulance. Affinity was making life difficult for the township. A man a block away from me and about three blocks from the hospital had to wait for the Affinity ambulance to come all the way from Omro. He was suffering a heart attack and subsequently died while he waited for the ambulance that showed up 30 minutes after the call.
The Oshkosh ambulance that I'd be calling with that above phone number is located at the old HWY 110 fire station, just off of Murdock Street. The guy said when I called him, that they have several vehicles and can accomodate a long haul (like to Madison). Hey, if they can come to the Town of Algoma (10 minutes away), they surely may go to Neenah...the south side, at least. You can call them and just inquire. It isn't an emergency phone number, but is manned 24/7 because it is at the fire station.
I hope I'm doing this right! Isn't the Affinity ambulance "Gold Cross"? From what I heard Affinity, Appleton Memorial, and Theda Clark own Gold Cross,,,,,which if so sure explains the nightmare situation that occurred with your poor neighbor. It really is horrible-I wrote a letter to the Post Crescent to Maureen I think her name is in the business section about how terrible the medical mafia is here, but of course she blew me off. Gold Cross has so much attitude,,I absolutely despise them Thank you for the suggestion about calling the Neenah coroner,,,,,I doubt he or she will be as cooperative as what you've experienced, this is such a weird town.
Vanessa Porph Princess

Menominee, MI

#13 Oct 23, 2007
Yes, I thought the EXACT same thing when I heard about Oprah's underactive thyroid-that shouldn't be difficult to diagnose! One would ASSUME that she'd be going to supposedly good doctors,,,,,but apparently not. It's always a catch-22-if you know anything and let your doctor know it, they're threatened or rude-I've met some humdingers around here in the Fox Valley-they rule here,they are the social elite.
Brian

Milwaukee, WI

#14 Jan 21, 2008
"I am warning everyone about the Aurora Clinic in Neenah. The internal medicine doctor they have "working" there three days a week is the possibly the worst doctor in existence."

Our family doctor is Brian Goldshlack with Aurora in Neenah. He and his staff are courteous, professional and have never treated our family with less than professional care and concern.
Clearly this is a 'your mileage may vary' situation.
Vanessa Porph Princess

Menominee, MI

#15 May 12, 2008
Actually, I've heard Dr. Goldshlack is good, I never saw him when I was over there, I thought I needed an internal medicine doctor, though now in retrospect, the doctor I had at Affinity for years, Dr. Steven Boysel, was family practice and he was terrific to work with,,,,,thanks for the feedback on Dr. Goldschlack,,,,,,I would feel uncomfortable going to that clinic at this point-I wish I'd gone to him first,
Sarah

Chicago, IL

#16 Jul 15, 2008
Dr. Goldschack is WONDERFUL! Even my husband likes him. We recently had to move but I am more than willing to travel back just to see him. I highly recommend him and his staff.
Patrick Diener

Overland Park, KS

#17 Feb 6, 2009
Dr Brian Goldshlack is the best doctor I have ever had in Milwaukee. I do miss him. Remember we have lots of doctors to choose from too
Gini

Ryde, Australia

#18 Sep 21, 2010
I have to disagree with the orginal poster. I have always found Dr. Cardelli to be beyond helpful and accessible. While I cannot say the same about her staff, she is a great doctor. She spends as much time as needed, is kind, informative, and has great follow up care.
Dan

Appleton, WI

#20 Jun 19, 2017
[I feel your Pain too recently this year it was happen my side.
I will not be going to this clinic no more as I have experienced a life threatening experience back in january 2017. Through this experience I gained the knowledge of how inexperience Dr. Goldshlach and his team is really is on handling my serious health crisis at that time.Now when I say team I am saying from the top of the latter which is shelly ahead of risk management and her boss which they have over promised and under delivered. There lack of information and lack of calling back to inform you is very pour services all the way down to Dr Goldschlach and his personal nurse Terry.I have been denied of my temporarily disability coz there team has not complied with my insurance company passing the buck to who is responsible. All in all I can say more about this pour service here at this clinic, as how lack of info from them and pour service.People I would stay away from this clinic coz when it comes to something serious they are not able to take care of you.as of now i am feeling much better after going to aurora in green bay as this is my insurance plan.The service and care is much more superior with well trained doctors.I can write a book on this place,especially how risk management of this place takes there time on dealing with serious matters.One person kept doing promises name Shelly from RIsk management but they dont even bother to return the promises schedule to call. I think they wait till you die first..
people I would not even bring my dog to this place....Even writing this bad review I dare someone to call me from this clinic to clear this up as we still have unfinished business.. In which they will not coz there cowards .
What is the problem with todays health care you have these people making big bucks and taking no responsibilty. Its ridiculous when it comes to caring for the patients that pay there wages..

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