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Time for Change

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#1 Sep 26, 2008
The time for change is upon us. However, I am not talking about Obama change. His change is to drive us deeper into the burninig hell of liberalism. We need to change to real conservatism. Locally, we can do that by voting of Mary Landrieu out of office and voting for McCain/Paulin. They are not the best suited for a return to conservatism but they are our only hope. Far from what liberal swine would have you believe (they tell lies) we are in this mess because the liberals wanted to pass out loans to people with no means to repay the loan. On top of that the liberal democrats who have been heading up these failed financial institutions have walked away with millions and millions of dollars. Yes, we need change. So please vote NO to Obama and Landrieu and yes to our only hope to return to conservatism. Since we can not vote (I realize that ACORN has people registered in multiple locations) we can contribute to the campaigns of conservative candidates for Congress. This may be our last chance. Think about it...and please do not listen to the sick, pathetic, biases cable news jerks.
RoastKeishaPig

United States

#2 Sep 26, 2008
Throwing your money away you are my preciousss.
Z-MONKEY

Natchitoches, LA

#3 Sep 26, 2008
What "burning hell of liberalism" are you referring to Time for Change? Hear is some of the things that "liberal swine" believe in: The ideas of individual liberties, personal dignity, free expression, religious tolerance, private property, universal human rights, transparency of government, limitations on government power, popular sovereignty, national self-determination, privacy, the rule of law, fundamental equality, a free market economy, and free trade. The Constitution is based in part on the concept of liberal government, especially the idea that governments rule by the consent of the governed. Since liberalism also has the concept of "presumption of innocence" I will not guess which of these concepts bothers you so. Perhaps you just prefer totalitarianism.

“"Can't even tie his own shoes"”

Since: Sep 08

Washington D.C.

#4 Sep 26, 2008
Time for Change wrote:
...the burninig hell of liberalism...
The West Coast?
FakeIndianwithBe er

United States

#5 Sep 26, 2008
Damn liberals ruined my pool party!
Ancient In Depends

United States

#6 Sep 26, 2008
Liberals ruined my vacation! The plane, boss! Its the plane!
lurker

United States

#7 Sep 27, 2008
Z-MONKEY wrote:
What "burning hell of liberalism" are you referring to Time for Change? Hear is some of the things that "liberal swine" believe in: The ideas of individual liberties, personal dignity, free expression, religious tolerance, private property, universal human rights, transparency of government, limitations on government power, popular sovereignty, national self-determination, privacy, the rule of law, fundamental equality, a free market economy, and free trade. The Constitution is based in part on the concept of liberal government, especially the idea that governments rule by the consent of the governed. Since liberalism also has the concept of "presumption of innocence" I will not guess which of these concepts bothers you so. Perhaps you just prefer totalitarianism.
Hello Z-
I won't engage in that "liberal swine" nonsense since my father-in-law is a liberal and I love him dearly (so's my mother-in-law but she's...another story); however, am I inaccurate to state your list of liberal beliefs is *your* beliefs? Because I hear plenty of liberals who are for free speech except conservative talk-radio that they'd like to get off the air. Plenty of liberals who believe in freedom of expression and religious tolerance....but then say don't put that nativity scene in the town square and get those ten commandments off the courthouse building! Transparency of government and limited government power and free market economy...but let's extend homeownership even to those who can't afford it via enacting legislation forcing financial institutions to make bad loans via the CRA act and repealing the Glass-Spiegel Act and then resist efforts as early as 3 years ago by McCain to tighten regulation because of how Freddie/Fannie were cooking the books. I could go on but I'm only allowed 2000 characters. My point is that your list of attributes above doesn't necessarily speak for liberals. In fact some of what you state above are actually conservative values.
Z-MONKEY

Natchitoches, LA

#8 Sep 29, 2008
Thanks Lurker for responding to my post. I was sure it was a dead topic because most people on topix don't know what a liberal is other than comparing them to Al Sharpton. John Locke, David Hume, Immanuel Kant, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams are a few of those Dam Libs that bother some of your tribesman so much. liberalism encompasses a verity of thought and the one I think you are having problems with is free market economy, and free trade. Economic liberalism promotes the rights and responsibilities of the individual, free choice within an open competitive process, the free market, and the dual responsibility of the state to protect the individual citizen and guarantee their liberty. Thatcher and Reagen were pioneers of economic liberalism, that viewed any government involvement in the economy as a betrayal of liberal principles. libertarianism was originally used by free-thinkers to mean those who believed in free-will. Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism inspired interest in ideas of liberty and influenced modern libertarianism which is closely related to individualism.
I don't blame Republicans any more than Democrats for the mess in the banking bail out. They all messed up and now we (the tax payers) will have to bear the burden. Lurker Do you still think Bush will be remembered as one of our best Presidents, or the President that spent more than any other. I am not placing all the blame on him either, but it happened on his watch. "Our policy in this administration -- laws shouldn't bail out lenders, laws shouldn't help speculators" President Bush, May 19, 2008. Oh and notice how I am a nut, while you and Time for Change are brilliant. That's one of the reasons I think Big Chief and your Shadow were causing a ruckus - not that I condone such behavior.
Keisha

Englewood, CO

#9 Sep 29, 2008
If I may
Abortion & Traditional Values
1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.
2. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.
3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.
5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.
6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.
7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.
8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).
11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.

Budget, Taxes & Economy
1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.
2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.
3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.
4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.
5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.
6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.

Environment & Energy
1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.
2. Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.
3. Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.
4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
5. Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.
6. Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.
7. Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.
8. Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.
Keisha

Englewood, CO

#10 Sep 29, 2008
Character & Conduct as President
1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.
2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.
3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:
Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."
On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation.

Education & Employment Training
1. Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act.
2. Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.
3. Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools.(Blocked in the Senate.)
4. Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.
5. Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.
6. Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.
7. Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.
8. Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to become teachers.
Keisha

Englewood, CO

#11 Sep 29, 2008
Defense & Foreign Policy
1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.
2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.
3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Maida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaeda leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaeda leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.
4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.
5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.
6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.
7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.
8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.
9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.
10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.
11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.
12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.
13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.
14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.
15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.
16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.
17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.
18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments.
19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.
20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.
21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.
Keisha

Englewood, CO

#12 Sep 29, 2008
Globalization & Internationalism
1. Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).
2. Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.
3. Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).
4. The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.
5. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."
Government Reform
1. Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.
2. Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.
3. Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.
4. Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.
5. Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.
Keisha

Englewood, CO

#13 Sep 29, 2008
Health
1. Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.
2. Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.
3. Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:
A 10-year privatization option.
Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.
More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.
New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.
Keisha

Englewood, CO

#14 Sep 29, 2008
Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration
1.*See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.
2. Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.
3. Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).
4. Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.
5. The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.
6. Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.
7. Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.
8. Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.
9. This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.
10. Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.
11. Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.
12. Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
13. Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.
14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.
Keisha

Englewood, CO

#15 Sep 29, 2008
Judiciary & Tort Reform
1. Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.
2. Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.
3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.
4. Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.
Politics
1. His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.
2. Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.
Second Amendment
1. Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.
2. Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.
3. Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.
4.*See Globalization & Internationalism.
Keisha

Englewood, CO

#16 Sep 29, 2008
Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism
1. Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."
2. Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.
3. Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.
4. The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.
5. Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.
6.Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.
7. Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.
8. Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.
9. Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles:
Equal Justice Freedom of Speech Limited Government Power Private Property Rights Religious Tolerance Respect for Women Rule of Law

My apologies to any Freeper who may be the author....please take credit here. I don't have an author's name and I don't have the date I saved this, but I did, a while back, and it is truly worth dusting off and spreading around as the election draws near. Also, I didn't update it at all, so if you can make it more current, please do. We might not ALL agree with EVERYTHING he's done, but you must agree, this is one hard working, truly inspirational man, who I am so proud to call my President!!
lurker

United States

#17 Sep 29, 2008
Z-MONKEY wrote:
Thanks Lurker for responding to my post. I was sure it was a dead topic because most people on topix don't know what a liberal is other than comparing them to Al Sharpton. John Locke, David Hume, Immanuel Kant, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams are a few of those Dam Libs that bother some of your tribesman so much. liberalism encompasses a verity of thought and the one I think you are having problems with is free market economy, and free trade. Economic liberalism promotes the rights and responsibilities of the individual, free choice within an open competitive process, the free market, and the dual responsibility of the state to protect the individual citizen and guarantee their liberty. Thatcher and Reagen were pioneers of economic liberalism, that viewed any government involvement in the economy as a betrayal of liberal principles. libertarianism was originally used by free-thinkers to mean those who believed in free-will. Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism inspired interest in ideas of liberty and influenced modern libertarianism which is closely related to individualism.
I don't blame Republicans any more than Democrats for the mess in the banking bail out. They all messed up and now we (the tax payers) will have to bear the burden. Lurker Do you still think Bush will be remembered as one of our best Presidents, or the President that spent more than any other. I am not placing all the blame on him either, but it happened on his watch. "Our policy in this administration -- laws shouldn't bail out lenders, laws shouldn't help speculators" President Bush, May 19, 2008. Oh and notice how I am a nut, while you and Time for Change are brilliant. That's one of the reasons I think Big Chief and your Shadow were causing a ruckus - not that I condone such behavior.
Z- my apologies in that we're using two different definitions of liberal. I absolutely agree with you that Jefferson, Adams, et al were very liberal. In fact, I've posted such a comment on another thread. They rebelled against the existing establishment; our founding fathers were original, inspired, progressive liberals. To create a document such as our Constitution; words to describe them are probably inadequate. I was using the term 'liberal' as it exists in our political climate today, which in my opinion is a far cry from our forefathers.
Today's liberals are diametric to free-market economics; thus the regulations enacted to force lending to people who could not normally obtain mortgages in their attempt to increase minority-home-ownership which is but one of several reasons why we tax-payers are now in the mess we're in. I concur there's blame to go around.
I don't recall that I ever said Bush was one of the best ever, but I do distinctly remember posting several times that history would remember him much more fondly than he is considered at present....and yes, I do still believe that. I think he has failed on several key domestic issues, most notably failing to reduce spending; but I think his foreign policies have kept us safer so I give him a lot of credit for that...but history will be the ultimate judge.

And Z, I don't think you're a nut; people can have differences of opinions and still both be intelligent (or sane!).
Z-MONKEY

Natchitoches, LA

#18 Sep 29, 2008
Thanks Lurker and no need for apologies. I think you are both intelligent and sane, but you were using the Rush Limbaugh version and not the historical definition of Liberalism which seems to prevalent today. I would probably prefer to be thought of as a nut, but I don't think the judgment was meant as a complement. It does bother me a little that Liberal is used as a dirty word, but what really irks me is Keisha's copy and paste lies. Does she really believe she is going to sway someone with falsehoods? I don't know why but here is a couple of question for Keisha.
Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks - what was the economy before he took office? Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency - isn't that what McCain wants to do? Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom - really, and their happy and well adjusted too?
I didn't want to turn this into a bash Bush topic, but he makes it so easy. "It's no exaggeration to say that the undecided could go one way or another" George Bush. Just to be fair here is another quote "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." Bill Clinton. Here is a bonus one for you Lurker "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." Al Gore. I hope all is well for you and most of your tribe, and please tell u2bc that I miss him.
PoppaT

Gonzales, LA

#19 Sep 29, 2008
Lurker and Z-MONK, I would just like to say that you two have had one of the best dialogs to date on this thread. I have enjoyed it alot.

Keisha, baby, ever heard of over kill?
Keisha

Englewood, CO

#20 Sep 29, 2008
lol Yes I have and yes I'm guilty. SORRY!!! Sometimes I do pull a Sean Hannity. I do think Bush will be remembered for the better.

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