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We Got To Do Better

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another hot ghetto mess of Redmond, WA on Jul 25, 2007

I feel that instead of ceasing much of what is considered ghetto behavior, society needs to accept it as our own culture. A lot of things america look at as ghetto isn't negative or demeaning, its just because its prevalent in our communities its considered wrong. Gold teeth are in no way negative, its just a form of jewlery that was embraced by us. Why should our fashions be considered tasteless or wrong? I've seen pics on that website of just a black person posing in a picture, wearing clothes that is normal in african american communities, be labled as a hot ghetto mess. Why? Because that's our style? I feel this is what needs to change. The way the world views our culture is the problem. I've got dreads, tattoos, and golds. Based on the stereotype associated with my style, I shouldn't even be able to type this comment. I'm a clerk of the courts, and drive a drop top benz. And if seen on the streets, I would be just another hot ghetto mess.

SyncMaster of Natchitoches, LA on Jul 26, 2007

slaphappy wrote:
bitchslap those ho'es
I love your solution to every problem, a good old fashioned bitchslap!! I now have a new outlook on how to handle difficult people.

Squid, diet cokes would be nice in the morning for the ladies at your favorite place to go on Friday morning.

slaphappy of Atlanta, GA on Jul 26, 2007

getto style aint nuttin. my family was getto befo we noed what getto was. we lived in the projects. I didnt nos most people even had to cut their own grass. we had the city peoples cutting our'es.
you knos what I gots to say bout it.

bitchslap em in de grill.

then we's moved to da country. now we from da country mahn.

take a look where I come from
www.youtube.com/watch...

Maybe tx of Dallas, TX on Jul 26, 2007

OMG that video is a hoot!

Hudat of Clovis, NM on Jul 26, 2007

I understand Sylvia Morrow is forming a Bi-Racial Commission. Anyone know anything about that? How will it work? What will it do?

Susan of AOL on Jul 26, 2007

Hudat wrote:
I understand Sylvia Morrow is forming a Bi-Racial Commission. Anyone know anything about that? How will it work? What will it do?
a bi-rical commission for what?

SylW of Portland, OR on Jul 26, 2007

I agree with Anthony and further, I think we need to take this very seriously. We are dangerously close to becoming an objectionable caricature rather than a culture. And, all God's dangers ain't a white man...sometimes, it's us. We really do need to do better...in making choices...understanding who we are...and who we need to be for our children.

slamdunk of Atlanta, GA on Jul 26, 2007

where you from?

SyncMaster of Natchitoches, LA on Jul 26, 2007

SQUID wrote:
WOULD THAT PLACE BE THE HOME OF MERLIN THE WIZARD?
Yes, we are here in the magical kingdom with Merlin the Magician. We are stuck here under his evil spell and can't get diet cokes. Please come to our rescue.

acerea of Atlanta, GA on Jul 26, 2007

NO coke.... Diet Pepsi

glc3 of AOL on Jul 27, 2007

BET has come under great attack from black groups, bloggers, and web sites for the show.

The show was initially titled Hot Ghetto Mess and BET changed the name to try to dampen outrage at the show. BET does not even mention the show on theie web site. A sign that they know it will have a very short life.

George Cook
www.letstalkhonestly.com

Anthony of Clovis, NM on Jul 27, 2007

another hot ghetto mess wrote:
I feel that instead of ceasing much of what is considered ghetto behavior, society needs to accept it as our own culture. A lot of things america look at as ghetto isn't negative or demeaning, its just because its prevalent in our communities its considered wrong. Gold teeth are in no way negative, its just a form of jewlery that was embraced by us. Why should our fashions be considered tasteless or wrong? I've seen pics on that website of just a black person posing in a picture, wearing clothes that is normal in african american communities, be labled as a hot ghetto mess. Why? Because that's our style? I feel this is what needs to change. The way the world views our culture is the problem. I've got dreads, tattoos, and golds. Based on the stereotype associated with my style, I shouldn't even be able to type this comment. I'm a clerk of the courts, and drive a drop top benz. And if seen on the streets, I would be just another hot ghetto mess.
Brother, why can't we identify ourselves first and foremost as Americans. MLK and others fought and died to integrate us into the American mainstream. We now CHOOSE to estrange ourselves from the mainstream of America by pledging our allegiance to a destructive and demeaning sub-culture. I for one do not choose to go in that direction. And those of us who do are CHOOSING voluntariy to subjugate themselves.

“What Black Men Think” is a thought-provoking documentary that you should try to see. It paints an enlightening portrait of African-American males by employing some rather surprising raw statistics to suggest that we all reconsider some commonly-held miss-beliefs about brothers.

http://wbmt.wordpress.com/video/

Canerivercruiser of Natchitoches, LA on Jul 27, 2007

iam so happy to see that a black man shares my idea of a united america.one for all ,all for one.if a anybody else as a black person would have said that it would have been concieved as racis.thanks man who ever you are

Meatpie of New Orleans, LA on Jul 27, 2007

another hot ghetto mess wrote:
...I shouldn't even be able to type this comment.
Go ahead on with your bad self, won't you?

Jr jr of Atlanta, GA on Jul 27, 2007

subjugate... that's a good word.
I as a Natchitoches-American want equal rights. I don't want to be be treated differenly from main stream Americans. Just because our school teachers are underpaid and didnt help me get no education like I should have got is no reason to make me stand in line at the grocery store. I also think I should not be ticketed every time the police see me do a rolling stop. I feel they are profiling me because they know I'm a Natchitoches-American. I was in New York just last week standing in line for the Peoples Court. I was asked to step to the rear of the line because of my race. Security asked me to step out of the line and show some ID. He said he had a complaint of a Natchitoches-American using offensive language. I also was stripped searched at the airport. They told me they had reason to believe I was holding a stale meatpie and I could not board the plane because of the damage it could do to the engines if it were to come loose from my pocket. They finally let me board when all they could find was three Zwolle Tamales.
It's unfair. I want to start a chaper of the NaNa's here. National Association of Natchitoches-Americans

Meatpie of Dillon, SC on Jul 29, 2007

Jr jr wrote:
They told me they had reason to believe I was holding a stale meatpie...
Hey! I have been defamed.

another hot ghetto mess of Redmond, WA on Jul 30, 2007

That is correct that mlk fought to have us become a part of society, but what I'm saying is why is urban style wrong? Every culture got their own forms of expressing theirselves, but they are not looked down upon the same way as when somebody like me smile for example, and then people automatically make assumptions. Should we stop eating soul food now since we gotta merge with the rest of america? I mean we don't have to resort to eating souse no more, or a lot of things for that matter because we can eat more than the scraps. Should everybody in the us eat one style of food, listen to one style of music, wear one style of clothes? No, we all got our differences for a reason...bling bling is in the dictionary. I don't even say that shit but it shows that somebody else think that maybe what we do and say could be apart of society too.

Neverthetwainsha llmeet of Dillon, SC on Jul 30, 2007

Canerivercruiser wrote:
iam so happy to see that a black man shares my idea of a united america.one for all ,all for one.if a anybody else as a black person would have said that it would have been concieved as racis.thanks man who ever you are
"One for all, all for one" was the Three Musketeers. America is "United we stand, divided we fall."

Neverthetwainsha llmeet of Dillon, SC on Jul 30, 2007

another hot ghetto mess wrote:
That is correct that mlk fought to have us become a part of society, but what I'm saying is why is urban style wrong? Every culture got their own forms of expressing theirselves, but they are not looked down upon the same way as when somebody like me smile for example, and then people automatically make assumptions. Should we stop eating soul food now since we gotta merge with the rest of america? I mean we don't have to resort to eating souse no more, or a lot of things for that matter because we can eat more than the scraps. Should everybody in the us eat one style of food, listen to one style of music, wear one style of clothes? No, we all got our differences for a reason...bling bling is in the dictionary. I don't even say that shit but it shows that somebody else think that maybe what we do and say could be apart of society too.
Urban style isn't necessarily wrong, it's just not always appropriate.

Houston of Clovis, NM on Jul 31, 2007

another hot ghetto mess wrote:
That is correct that mlk fought to have us become a part of society, but what I'm saying is why is urban style wrong? Every culture got their own forms of expressing theirselves, but they are not looked down upon the same way as when somebody like me smile for example, and then people automatically make assumptions. Should we stop eating soul food now since we gotta merge with the rest of america? I mean we don't have to resort to eating souse no more, or a lot of things for that matter because we can eat more than the scraps. Should everybody in the us eat one style of food, listen to one style of music, wear one style of clothes? No, we all got our differences for a reason...bling bling is in the dictionary. I don't even say that shit but it shows that somebody else think that maybe what we do and say could be apart of society too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink#Origi...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

Solution of United States on Jul 31, 2007

I keep reading these discussions...but no one is trying to be proactive. What can we do? Yes, we should embrace our culture. Yes, Dr. King faught for us to be here. But...we are Africans living in America. It's so real, so real. You have to know this. These "hot ghetto messes," just have no confidence. Your entire life you've been the minority, you've dealt with ignorance from every race, you've faced an identity crisis, you've been taught that every thing African is everything you don't want to be. BLACK people are different, our souls are so different.

But why is it that we're the only race that chooses to expose everything. In the form of rap, to film, to now BET. Imagine being a young white child who never has interacted with black people. Your only impression is what you see on BET, don't you have a right to assume that ALL BLACKS ARE IGNORANT, so BET is so hurting the black community. BET has got to do better, I am disgusted, and I'm so sick of listening to all this talk- it's self-hate in every since of the word. You have to either submit to that stereotype or don't. If you choose to talk about it and live your life in opposition to the stereotype, how do you plan on making a difference, because you are responsible, once you've acknowledged that these are your people.

The Griot of Orange Park, FL on Aug 4, 2007

I believe that some of us are missing the point. It is not about the style of dress or the locks. It is about the exploitation of the Black experience. Where is the positive images? Where is the self pride? Why must all Black Americans be defined by a commoditized stereotype? What has happened to BET? Has it become the modern day minstrel stage? This show will do nothing, but continue to exploit Black people. We all need to take responsibility for our community, whether we live in it, or if we have moved away from it. Take a look at the negative things and try to correct them, and make the community better for the generations to come.

What Black Men Think of Alexandria, VA on Aug 5, 2007

another hot ghetto mess wrote:
I feel that instead of ceasing much of what is considered ghetto behavior, society needs to accept it as our own culture. A lot of things america look at as ghetto isn't negative or demeaning, its just because its prevalent in our communities its considered wrong. Gold teeth are in no way negative, its just a form of jewlery that was embraced by us. Why should our fashions be considered tasteless or wrong? I've seen pics on that website of just a black person posing in a picture, wearing clothes that is normal in african american communities, be labled as a hot ghetto mess. Why? Because that's our style? I feel this is what needs to change. The way the world views our culture is the problem. I've got dreads, tattoos, and golds. Based on the stereotype associated with my style, I shouldn't even be able to type this comment. I'm a clerk of the courts, and drive a drop top benz. And if seen on the streets, I would be just another hot ghetto mess.
I find it quite disturbing how we continually redefine history to accomadate and explain away behavior paterns in the community. Couple errs in your presumptions.
1) Ghetto, Urban and culture are seperate from race (too often intertwined) and what you may deem "our" culture in its origins is really an endemic behavior and culture identity of the southern white who enslaved us.
2)It is not prevelant in our communites, it is an expression of a sub set of black america, which I believe again have no way of putting current behavior and cultural patterns into their proper historical perspective. Gold teeth are not jewelry, they we're our expression of wealth to cover up for poor dental care in our poverty.(similiar to adults purchasing braces because our parents could not afford proper dental care), tattos are expression again of the culture more closely associated with criminal and incarceration behaviors (dreds are more of an offshoot of the incarcerated black mans inability to access a comb while in jail)
www.whatblackmenthink.com

AcceptResponsibi lity of AOL on Aug 5, 2007

"Ghetto, Urban and culture are seperate from race (too often intertwined) and what you may deem "our" culture in its origins is really an endemic behavior and culture identity of the southern white who enslaved us"

So, am I understanding correctly that you are yet once again putting the responsibility of the actions of young black youth on slave owners hundreds of years ago? People they have no first hand knowledge of. Ghetto is, like it or not, associated with the black race as well as hillbilly and/or redneck is with the white race. But how you choose to present yourself has nothing to do with your great-great-great grandmothers "southern white owner".

Hudat of Clovis, NM on Aug 5, 2007

SQUID wrote:
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THE WAY I SEE IT THATS A BIG LOAD OF CRAP.GONNA GROW DREDS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A COMB LOLOL
SQUIDLY, you don't swim too deep do you, boy.

What Black Men Think of Alexandria, VA on Aug 5, 2007

you make my point exactly, hillbilly, redneck and modern urban culture are all very closely related if not direct descendants. I am not blaming the southern white, I'm telling you that your culture is white.

suggested reading
Black Rednecks and White Liberals
Thomas Sowell

Hudat of Clovis, NM on Aug 5, 2007

SQUID wrote:
I MIGHT NOT BE TO BRIGHT,BUT I'M SMART ENOUGH TOO SEE OVER 200 YEARS OF EXCUSES.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN A SOUTHER SLAVE OWNER WITH A GOLD GRILL OR DREDS.MAYBE SOME ARE FOLLOWING THEIR ROSTAFARIAN ROOTS AND GROWING THE DREDS BUT THAT WOULD MAKE THEIR PEOPLE FROM JAMAICA OR THE WEST INDIES MAYBE...WHAT MAKES THEM WARE THIER PANTS BELOW THEIR BUT? LONG LINE OF PLUMBERS IN THE FAMILY TREE?
Let's go fishing.

AcceptResponsibi lity of AOL on Aug 5, 2007

My culture is white and it does not include dreds, gold teeth, or other "tell-tell" signs.....this is a good example of the ebonics controversy from a few years back. I suppose that because the slave owners did not educate their slaves in the same manner(if at all) as their white peers then that explains why they speak in such a manner. Could it not be that ebonics exists because at some point there were some that were just too lazy to learn proper grammar and decided that proper grammar was "suppressing" them in the way slavery did? In my opinion the biggest thing holding black people back is BLACK people. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are the two biggest racists I have ever seen. If they did not keep the racism alive then they would be out of a job. Wouldn't it be a better society if everyone accepted responsibility for their own actions and decisions instead of saying "I do it b/c of what happened 100 years ago"?

Houston of Clovis, NM on Aug 5, 2007

AcceptResponsibility wrote:
My culture is white and it does not include dreds, gold teeth, or other "tell-tell" signs.....this is a good example of the ebonics controversy from a few years back. I suppose that because the slave owners did not educate their slaves in the same manner(if at all) as their white peers then that explains why they speak in such a manner. Could it not be that ebonics exists because at some point there were some that were just too lazy to learn proper grammar and decided that proper grammar was "suppressing" them in the way slavery did? In my opinion the biggest thing holding black people back is BLACK people. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are the two biggest racists I have ever seen. If they did not keep the racism alive then they would be out of a job. Wouldn't it be a better society if everyone accepted responsibility for their own actions and decisions instead of saying "I do it b/c of what happened 100 years ago"?
My culture is AMERICAN. My speech is AMERICAN. The cut of my hair is AMERICAN. My dental restorations are AMERICAN. My ancestors were Irish and English serfs. I don't go around in a Tartan Kilt or carry a Shillelagh. I do not hate the British Aristocracy who suppressed my ancestors. I eat soul food. I eat Italian food. I eat Mediterranean food. I love Chinese food. Every Friday I have Mexican food. Latkes, bagels and Lox are a treat I enjoy.

I notice how well Vietnamese immigrants have done in America. I notice how well Nigerian or English born blacks do here. And I applaud and take note of how easily American born blacks thrive when they embrace American values of private property and personal responsibility and throw off their own chains of self imposed isolation and segregation from the AMERICAN (not white) system of values. I welcome with open arms my black AMERICAN brothers who accept AMERICAN values and abandon their rant that keeps others of them enslaved by their own self destructive choices.

AcceptResponsibi lity of AOL on Aug 5, 2007

"My culture is white"

"My culture is AMERICAN. My speech is AMERICAN. The cut of my hair is AMERICAN."

I apologize for the white culture comment...you are very much correct in saying our American culture. My point is the way I dress, eat and/or talk is not because of anything someone did over 200 years ago.

dentson of Clovis, NM on Aug 15, 2007

www.ERRVideo.com

Fishyfishskin of Saint John, IN on Aug 19, 2007

On BET's "We Got to Do Better" AKA "Hot Ghetto Mess", Charlie Murphy complains that Bling is one of the reasons black people do not own houses or have mutual funds but when the camera returns to him he points at the camera while wearing a giant diamond ring. Funny!!