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Josephine

Natchitoches, LA

#1 Sep 12, 2012
Consequences of Obama weakness: Evil advances when America isn’t feared or respected
wash times ^| 9/12/12 | b decker

Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:51:09 PM by bestintxas

The murder of U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens in Libya on Wednesday is the direct consequence of President Obama’s weakness as a leader. His administration’s support of Islamist uprisings across the Middle East have led to a destabilized region where radical anti-Americanism is running rampant. The images being transmitted across the planet today give a glimpse of what the world looks like absent strong U.S. leadership in international affairs: Rioting mobs ripping down the American flag from our embassy in Cairo and a diplomat’s brutalized body being dragged through the streets of Benghazi. These are not isolated incidents but the predictable result of four years of Mr. Obama meekly trying to “lead from behind.”

Machiavelli famously wrote that it “is much safer to be feared than loved.” For most of the past century, the United States has pursued consistent policies so Washington didn’t have to choose between the two and simultaneously generated feelings of love for the freedom we espoused and fear for the consequences of raising our ire. The loyalty shown to Americans by nations freed from communist oppression behind the Iron Curtain is an example of the respect our country gained by consistently standing against tyranny anywhere in the world.

Libya in the 1980s is a perfect example of the respect gained by making evildoers pay the price for provoking the most powerful nation on Earth. After Americans were killed in terrorist attacks in Europe, more than 30 U.S. warplanes were launched to hammer targets in Tripoli and Benghazi. Hellfire poured down on military targets and command centers holding those responsible for backing the terrorists who caused the American deaths.

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bumblescum

Natchitoches, LA

#2 Sep 12, 2012
Machiavelli famously wrote that it “is much safer to be feared than loved.”

Well then if lack of fear of the U.S. under Obama led to these attacks Reagan must have been a real wuss.
Blaze

United States

#3 Sep 12, 2012
It's typical that murders and liars would assimilate such otter bullshit! What's truly weak is how the scariest people on the planet can think they are strong if they have the ability to kill. Your trash
NoNotAgain

Natchitoches, LA

#4 Sep 12, 2012
Bumblescum and Blaze,
What specific fact in the article is not true? Instead of using the old liberal tricks of attacking the messenger, why don't you attack the message. Well maybe you can't attack the message because it is true.

In fact, Josephine was very generous in the title of this thread. I don't believe that obama is a leader at all. At best he is a very weak follower and a wimp, and has proven it time and time again.
bumblescum

Natchitoches, LA

#5 Sep 12, 2012
NoNotAgain wrote:
Bumblescum and Blaze,
What specific fact in the article is not true? Instead of using the old liberal tricks of attacking the messenger, why don't you attack the message. Well maybe you can't attack the message because it is true.
In fact, Josephine was very generous in the title of this thread. I don't believe that obama is a leader at all. At best he is a very weak follower and a wimp, and has proven it time and time again.
The premise of the argument is that Obama's "weak leadership" allowed for the conditions that led the attackers to believe they could attack America with impunity.

If that's true it must also be true that Reagan also displayed weak leadership in the years before the attacks on the barracks in Beruit.

The only difference is that Reagan allowed 241 Americans to be killed while 4 were killed under Obama's watch. And let's not forget which president was in charge on 9-11-01. That president must have shown weakness as well.
bumblescum

Natchitoches, LA

#6 Sep 12, 2012
NoNotAgain wrote:
Bumblescum and Blaze,
What specific fact in the article is not true? Instead of using the old liberal tricks of attacking the messenger, why don't you attack the message. Well maybe you can't attack the message because it is true.
In fact, Josephine was very generous in the title of this thread. I don't believe that obama is a leader at all. At best he is a very weak follower and a wimp, and has proven it time and time again.
You could also ask the following people if Obama is a wimp and very weak, but they're all dead:

Abu Yahya al-Libi
Abu Hafs al-Shahri
Ilyas Kashmiri
Harun Fazul
Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan
Qari Zafar
NoNotAgain

Bossier City, LA

#7 Sep 13, 2012
bumblescum wrote:
<quoted text>
The premise of the argument is that Obama's "weak leadership" allowed for the conditions that led the attackers to believe they could attack America with impunity.
If that's true it must also be true that Reagan also displayed weak leadership in the years before the attacks on the barracks in Beruit.
The only difference is that Reagan allowed 241 Americans to be killed while 4 were killed under Obama's watch. And let's not forget which president was in charge on 9-11-01. That president must have shown weakness as well.
Obama's continued attempt at appeasing radical islamists shows weakness, not leadership. It is well past time for the president to stand up to these murders. There are countless incidents when Obama would not even refer to a muslim terrorist attacks ans an act of terrorism,(the shoe bomber, and the muslim major at Ft. Hood.) Even the administrations original response to the current embassy attack in Egypt was appalling. He walked it back only after a loud and resounding outcry from America's citizens.

As far as Reagan and the barracks bombing in Beruit and comparing that to these current attacks, the whole world has changed my friend, it is a much more dangerous place these days, but Obama continues to refuse to confront the enemy. In fact, early in his watch, he declared that the war on terror was over. Maybe he is through fighting it, but the muslims sure aren't.

And as far as those dead muslims you mentioned, it was policies put into place during the Bush administration which has resulted in the these deaths. By the way, Mr. Obama, as a U.S. senator opposed those policies and voted against them.
NoNotAgain

Natchitoches, LA

#8 Sep 13, 2012
The facts as I see them, and all of this after Obama's apology tour of the middle east. On Obama’s watch, the islamists have done very well. They have taken over Egypt and Libya and are set to take over Syria and its chemical weapons arsenal without a change in US policy. They look ahead to the day U.S. forces leave Afghanistan—which Obama has conveniently announced to them. And in the country where modern Islamism first came to life at the nation-state level, Iran, the government is set to gain a nuclear weapons capability—another Obama legacy. And God only knows what will eventually happen in Pakistan where there is an arsenal of nuclear warheads.

It is time for Mr. Obama to wake up and re-start the war on terror which he declared was over a few years ago. Like I stated before, the war may be over for him, but not for the muslims. They are winning battles nearly every day now. Yet Obama even refuses to have a meeting with Israel's prime minister when he will be in America later this month; he will be too busy campaigning and being on the Letterman show. Shameful and certainly not the mark of a leader.
NoNotAgain

Natchitoches, LA

#9 Sep 13, 2012
Nope, not a leader. A true leader would not have left our diplomats out to be murdered:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/polit...
bumblescum

Natchitoches, LA

#10 Sep 13, 2012
Nonotagain,

Not to beat a dead horse but just how many radical Islamists does the military have to kill before you guys give up the "Obama is weak on radical Islam" angle? I know you stated that Bush put those policies in place but if Obama was against them he could stop them.

I just find it amazing that Obama has let loose a record of drone atatcks on radical Muslims but is weak on radical Muslims. Can you explain that please.

I also know its popular for conservatives to say Obama apologized for America but as hard as I've looked I can't find any evidence of it. Can you find that for me?

I also can't find where Obama voted against the use of drones on radical Muslims. Can you find that for me?
bumblescum

Natchitoches, LA

#11 Sep 13, 2012
NoNotAgain wrote:
Nope, not a leader. A true leader would not have left our diplomats out to be murdered:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/polit...
But in your mind true leaders let radical muslims fly hijacked planes into American buildings after being warned about it. Yeah that makes sense.
NoNotAgain

Natchitoches, LA

#12 Sep 13, 2012
The toothless lion roars and the muslims keep attacking. Wow what a leader; they totally ignore his warnings. This from the liberal CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/world/meast/egy...
bumblescum

Natchitoches, LA

#13 Sep 13, 2012
Attacks on American intersts in the Middle East and surronding area under republican leadesrhip:

June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.

February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.

December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.

January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.

July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.

September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

How do republicans even dare comment on Obama's security record with a record like that?
bumblescum

Natchitoches, LA

#14 Sep 13, 2012
NoNotAgain wrote:
The toothless lion roars and the muslims keep attacking. Wow what a leader; they totally ignore his warnings. This from the liberal CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/world/meast/egy...
And would you listen to the Egyptian President if he told you not to protest in front of the Egyptian embassy in Washnington?
Josephine

Natchitoches, LA

#15 Sep 13, 2012
bumblescum wrote:
<quoted text>
But in your mind true leaders let radical muslims fly hijacked planes into American buildings after being warned about it. Yeah that makes sense.
How much is it going to take for you to see Obama isn't a leader???
I'm sure you graduated 3rd grade at least....i'm sure you haven't
bothered to go see the movie either....
Josephine

Natchitoches, LA

#16 Sep 13, 2012
www.drudgereport.com

Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'...
State Dept 'had credible information 48 hours before'...
Revealed: Inside story of ambassador's assassination...
Sensitive documents go missing...
Exposed: Names of Libyans who are working with Americans...
Was 'revenge for drone strike'...
'There were 400 attackers'...
OBAMA ADMINSITRATION DENIES...
PAPER: Egypt intelligence warned on Sept. 4 of possible attacks...
bumblescum

Baton Rouge, LA

#17 Sep 14, 2012
Josephine wrote:
<quoted text>
How much is it going to take for you to see Obama isn't a leader???
I'm sure you graduated 3rd grade at least....i'm sure you haven't
bothered to go see the movie either....
Wow, what rhetorical prowess. How will I ever recover from it being said I only have a 3rd grade education!

I said I'd see the film if you purchased me a ticket and even offered to treat to popcorn, soda and a chik fil-a dinner if you saw it with me. Why do you keep spurning me Josephine? Can't you see were meant to be together. We'll be like the Sam and Diane of topix.
Josephine

Natchitoches, LA

#18 Sep 14, 2012
bumblescum wrote:
Nonotagain,
Not to beat a dead horse but just how many radical Islamists does the military have to kill before you guys give up the "Obama is weak on radical Islam" angle? I know you stated that Bush put those policies in place but if Obama was against them he could stop them.
I just find it amazing that Obama has let loose a record of drone atatcks on radical Muslims but is weak on radical Muslims. Can you explain that please.
I also know its popular for conservatives to say Obama apologized for America but as hard as I've looked I can't find any evidence of it. Can you find that for me?
I also can't find where Obama voted against the use of drones on radical Muslims. Can you find that for me?
You waste a lot of time defending a communist. It would be better if you'd spend your time reading and educating yourself
on Barack Hussein Obama. You sound stupid.
bumblescum

Baton Rouge, LA

#19 Sep 14, 2012
Josephine wrote:
www.drudgereport.com
Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'...
State Dept 'had credible information 48 hours before'...
Revealed: Inside story of ambassador's assassination...
Sensitive documents go missing...
Exposed: Names of Libyans who are working with Americans...
Was 'revenge for drone strike'...
'There were 400 attackers'...
OBAMA ADMINSITRATION DENIES...
PAPER: Egypt intelligence warned on Sept. 4 of possible attacks...
One phrase:
Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US
bumblescum

Baton Rouge, LA

#20 Sep 14, 2012
Josephine wrote:
<quoted text>
You waste a lot of time defending a communist. It would be better if you'd spend your time reading and educating yourself
on Barack Hussein Obama. You sound stupid.
How is Obama a communist? Taxes are lower than they have been since Eisenhower and the stock market is way up under Obama as well.

Shouldn't a communist be raising taxes and be bad for the stock market?

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