TN Planned Parenthood chapters stripp...

TN Planned Parenthood chapters stripped of federal funding

There are 27 comments on the The Robertson County Times story from Jun 11, 2011, titled TN Planned Parenthood chapters stripped of federal funding. In it, The Robertson County Times reports that:

The Metro Public Health Department will take over a $335,000 federal grant for family planning services, after a campaign to strip the funding from Planned Parenthood.

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“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#1 Jun 12, 2011
Since MCD funding by law CANNOT be diverted in this manner, I guess the state better come up with a new source of income. Indiana's is already playing this game and it will lose. The feds aren't putting up with this.
Fight for Life

Painesville, OH

#2 Jun 12, 2011
It's not like the women who need services won't have anywhere else to go. It's widely known what Planned Parenthood is all about and funding it needs to stop.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#3 Jun 12, 2011
Fight for Life wrote:
It's not like the women who need services won't have anywhere else to go. It's widely known what Planned Parenthood is all about and funding it needs to stop.
You just posted this on another thread:

"Ok, I may have misinterpreted your post. I do believe in birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancy. I don't understand those who don't believe in it, as I'd rather prevent a pregnancy than have to have people consider abortion."

Yet, it's widely known that PP is an excellent source of low-cost contraception, mammographies, pap tests, prostate exams, and pre-natal care, among other services. In fact, roughly 97% of it's services have nothing to do with abortions. Many PPs don't even provide abortions.

Local health clinics have been complaining that without PP to help these people, they will be completely overwhelmed. as it is there are long waiting times. Sometimes PP is the *only* low-cost provider in the area, and are the sole source of health care for these people.

So I ask you this, in light of the statement you posted above, why on earth would you seek to close PP? Kind of seems counter-productive, no?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#4 Jun 12, 2011
The MCD laws are quie clear--states cannot decide which medical family planning groups get funding and which do not. Period. And the crap this state is pulling is exactly why.

Abortion is about 3-5% of PP's total services. No tax monies go to abortion services, per the law.

BTW--even the idiots in this story note that they cannot serve all the women who would have gone to PP if funding were not cut.
Fight for Life wrote:
It's not like the women who need services won't have anywhere else to go. It's widely known what Planned Parenthood is all about and funding it needs to stop.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#5 Jun 12, 2011
cpeter1313 wrote:
The MCD laws are quie clear--states cannot decide which medical family planning groups get funding and which do not. Period. And the crap this state is pulling is exactly why.
Abortion is about 3-5% of PP's total services. No tax monies go to abortion services, per the law.
BTW--even the idiots in this story note that they cannot serve all the women who would have gone to PP if funding were not cut.
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Exactly.

So now we have low-income people struggling to get reproductive health care and contraceptives because people demonize PP and don't take the time to understand their services OR the law.

:/
Fight for Life

Painesville, OH

#6 Jun 12, 2011
It's also widely known that the figure 3% of their services are abortion related is incorrect.

They need to be defunded and if they are necessary to encompass all the women who need the services, they should be re opened with strict and supervised guidelines which do not include abortion.
Fight for Life

Painesville, OH

#7 Jun 12, 2011
LadiLulu wrote:
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You just posted this on another thread:
"Ok, I may have misinterpreted your post. I do believe in birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancy. I don't understand those who don't believe in it, as I'd rather prevent a pregnancy than have to have people consider abortion."
Yet, it's widely known that PP is an excellent source of low-cost contraception, mammographies, pap tests, prostate exams, and pre-natal care, among other services. In fact, roughly 97% of it's services have nothing to do with abortions. Many PPs don't even provide abortions.
Local health clinics have been complaining that without PP to help these people, they will be completely overwhelmed. as it is there are long waiting times. Sometimes PP is the *only* low-cost provider in the area, and are the sole source of health care for these people.
So I ask you this, in light of the statement you posted above, why on earth would you seek to close PP? Kind of seems counter-productive, no?
I would seek to close it due to the fact that the organization is corrupt, and their figures are wrong. I am all in favor of birth control, and counseling services, along with all other facets of female care. Not, however through Planned Parenthood. States can surely open more free/low cost clinics right in the very buildings that housed Planned Parenthood, or else like I said above, they can re open under strict guidelines and not provide abortion.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#8 Jun 12, 2011
Fight for Life wrote:
It's also widely known that the figure 3% of their services are abortion related is incorrect.
They need to be defunded and if they are necessary to encompass all the women who need the services, they should be re opened with strict and supervised guidelines which do not include abortion.
Yes, those figures are correct. Please prove otherwise.

They should always operate under strict and supervised guidelines, which DO include abortion.

The last time I checked it was still a legal procedure.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#9 Jun 12, 2011
Fight for Life wrote:
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I would seek to close it due to the fact that the organization is corrupt, and their figures are wrong. I am all in favor of birth control, and counseling services, along with all other facets of female care. Not, however through Planned Parenthood.
That's a broad-brush, inaccurate statement. If a specific PP has been demonstrated to be "corrupt" in any way, then I agree, it must clean up it's act or face defunding. Not all are bad, and not all are good. It is a rather large organization.
Fight for Life wrote:
<quoted text>States can surely open more free/low cost clinics right in the very buildings that housed Planned Parenthood, or else like I said above, they can re open under strict guidelines and not provide abortion.
No they can't. In this age of tax revolts? How on earth would they fund them? You do realize that PP provides a much-needed relief for the state and local governments, because they receive *private* donations, which the government can not? PP *saves* the taxpayers money because of these private donations, such as those made by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Fight for Life

Painesville, OH

#10 Jun 12, 2011
Just Google Planned Parenthood corruption. You'll find many things to read.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#11 Jun 12, 2011
Fight for Life wrote:
Just Google Planned Parenthood corruption. You'll find many things to read.
Sorry.

You made an assertion, it's up to you to prove it.

That's the proper way to do it.
Fight for Life

Painesville, OH

#12 Jun 12, 2011
LadiLulu wrote:
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Sorry.
You made an assertion, it's up to you to prove it.
That's the proper way to do it.
No, you can do your own research. You've stated their numbers are correct, and I state they are corrupt. Look it up if you want to know, if not, don't. It doesn't matter to me.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#13 Jun 12, 2011
Fight for Life wrote:
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No, you can do your own research. You've stated their numbers are correct, and I state they are corrupt. Look it up if you want to know, if not, don't. It doesn't matter to me.
I'm not doing your research for you.

For all we know you made them up to support your agenda.

The *proper* thing to do would be to back up your assertions. With credible links.

It's forum etiquette, actually.

If you can't provide back-up then we'll go with the presumption that you completely fabricated what you have stated.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#14 Jun 12, 2011
I notice ow you are avoiding discussing the other talking points I have presented.

Such as the inability of local clinics to absorb the higher traffic (indicated in the thread's article), and the fact that the private funding for PP can not be made available to state/local governments?

Care to address them?
Fight for Life

Painesville, OH

#15 Jun 12, 2011
LadiLulu wrote:
I notice ow you are avoiding discussing the other talking points I have presented.
Such as the inability of local clinics to absorb the higher traffic (indicated in the thread's article), and the fact that the private funding for PP can not be made available to state/local governments?
Care to address them?
Not particularly. When and if I'm ready to discuss something, I do. You are trying very hard to get the upper hand with me, and it won't happen.
Fight for Life

Painesville, OH

#16 Jun 12, 2011
LadiLulu wrote:
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I'm not doing your research for you.
For all we know you made them up to support your agenda.
The *proper* thing to do would be to back up your assertions. With credible links.
It's forum etiquette, actually.
If you can't provide back-up then we'll go with the presumption that you completely fabricated what you have stated.
I'm not going on the defensive with you. I told you before, the information is out there, you can find it yourself. Forum etiquette? Really? So you can tear down the information I provide? I've seen you and yours do it repeatedly. You don't even believe the written word. If you choose to believe what I said is totally fabricated, why do I care?

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#17 Jun 12, 2011
Fight for Life wrote:
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Not particularly. When and if I'm ready to discuss something, I do. You are trying very hard to get the upper hand with me, and it won't happen.
I know why you won't answer.

You have demonstrated a blatant dishonesty, dear.

You run away from discussions and refuse to back up your assertions. You don't have the integrity to admit when someone you don't "like" is correct.

I'm not exactly waiting with baited breath for your response.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#18 Jun 12, 2011
Fight for Life wrote:
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I'm not going on the defensive with you. I told you before, the information is out there, you can find it yourself. Forum etiquette? Really? So you can tear down the information I provide? I've seen you and yours do it repeatedly. You don't even believe the written word. If you choose to believe what I said is totally fabricated, why do I care?
I have my answer.

You completely fabricated it. Hence your reluctance to even make a modicum of effort.

Typical.
Fight for Life

Painesville, OH

#19 Jun 12, 2011
LadiLulu wrote:
<quoted text>
I have my answer.
You completely fabricated it. Hence your reluctance to even make a modicum of effort.
Typical.
Well, if I'm using your logic, then YOU need to "prove it". Go ahead, prove that Planned Parenthood isn't corrupt. I made an effort to find answers on my own. You can also do the same.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#20 Jun 12, 2011
Fight for Life wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, if I'm using your logic, then YOU need to "prove it". Go ahead, prove that Planned Parenthood isn't corrupt. I made an effort to find answers on my own. You can also do the same.
You can't prove a negative, dear.

It's like my telling you to prove that there isn't a G-d.

Or prove that we don't have souls.

You stated it. You prove it.

You won't, though.

Because you don't have that standard of ethics.

{{shrug}}

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