LifeWay: Big drop in Americans who think being gay's a sin

Jan 10, 2013 Full story: The Tennessean 137

Americans who believe being gay is a sin are no longer the majority -- not even half -- a shift a Southern Baptist-affiliated research group pins on President Barack Obama's changed opinion of gay marriage.

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#150 Feb 2, 2013
NoQ wrote:
You bible thumper, if you're what a Christian is all about, I see why Ho:mos talk so much against Christianity You give Christians a bad name.
I don't think this was directed at me, but just to clarify:

It's too bad alot of people who call themselves Christians are so bitter and full of profane hatred - um, like you, actually, NoQ.

My favorite description of a Christian - now that I am one - is one I heard this week:

"Just a beggar, telling other beggars where I found bread."

That, I think, is a proper definition of a Christian.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#153 Feb 3, 2013
NoQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Good for you. As for the hate, I don't hate the person, just their lifestyle.
No, most dishonorable foul mouthed one, Hatred of another human being is what you are repeatedly expressing, and you have expressed hatred of many, many human beings here on topix loud and clear!

you hate the person, not the act you imagine the person is engaging in.

You attacked both my wife and myself with your scat obsessed foul mouthed obsession with homosexual men, even accusing her, a mother and grandmother, of being a homosexual male just because we stand up for our gay brothers and sisters!

You are a hateful troll and scat obsessed homophobe acting out your hate here on topix, attacking everyone who stands up for what is right!

And judging by the many negative marks that you have received for your false statement, My wife and I are not the only ones that recognize your hateful attacks on those you don't agree with for the hatefull attacks on people that they are.

You deny the word "homophobe" exists, a word that describes you accurately,

you refuse to accept that you are a pervert that delights in HATEFULLY ATTACKING OTHERS WITH YOUR SCAT OBSESSION,

you call people liars with absolutely no proof, like you did to both myself and my wife,

AND NOW TO TOP IT OFF, YOU DENY THE HATE FOR OTHER HUMAN BEINGS YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN HERE ON TOPIX!!!!

what is it about the word "hate" you fail to understand, pervert?

Or are you going to deny that the word "hate" doesn't exist either?

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#154 Feb 3, 2013
the sentence "Or are you going to deny that the word "hate" doesn't exist either?"

should read "Or are you going to claim that the word "hate" doesn't exist either?"

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#155 Feb 3, 2013
Tiny Timmie wrote:
..........
I'm still gay. I'm still strongly attracted to men. But I no longer PRACTICE homosexual sex. After a hard look at where my self-indulgent lifestyle was taking me, I've simply changed my behavior to avoid the awful consequences of indulging so freely in sex at the drop of a hat. That's no different from what any HETERO teenage boy typically does, except that all (or most) his partners are female. But BOTH are headed for the same tragic end unless they change their BEHAVIOR.
The only question is whether you believe that being gay automatically forces one to have a "self indulgent lifestyle", any more than being straight does.
Because, my Dear, it certainly does not.
Choose well, and choose wisely, and choose what makes you fulfilled and happy.
The nice thing is that you can make the same choices as a gay man that you can as a straight man, and lead any lifestyle you choose.
I wish more young people took the time to figure out what they want in life, so they can make more rational choices to get them to their goals.
But, on the flip side, don't be so worried about making the wrong choices that you forget to live. You only get one life to life (as far as I know). Enjoy it, too.
Balance. Always balance.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#156 Feb 3, 2013
NoQ wrote:
<quoted text>
There's a lot of good and fair people that doesn't believe in the perversion of homosexuality. If it were as you say, then there would be more than 9-10 states that are on board with the same sex marriage BS instead of 49-41 against.
There are a lot of confused people, who believe a harmless natural trait shared be a few other folks is something to be afraid of and hateful toward.

Those people are dropping in number.

But to call them "fair" is a bit of a stretch. It's never "fair" to hate a group of people you will never meet for a harmless trait that can't possibly hurt YOU.
Bible Believer

United States

#158 Feb 3, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
The only question is whether you believe that being gay automatically forces one to have a "self indulgent lifestyle", any more than being straight does.
Because, my Dear, it certainly does not.
Choose well, and choose wisely, and choose what makes you fulfilled and happy.
The nice thing is that you can make the same choices as a gay man that you can as a straight man, and lead any lifestyle you choose.
I wish more young people took the time to figure out what they want in life, so they can make more rational choices to get them to their goals.
But, on the flip side, don't be so worried about making the wrong choices that you forget to live. You only get one life to life (as far as I know). Enjoy it, too.
Balance. Always balance.
I had never judged Tiny Timmie as gay; only confused. Some problem surrounding gay is the category by which one is gay. Some have been suckered into it not realizing all concerns while others are motivated by pure evil mean spirit.

Regardless; sin is sin. It may be gay, robbery, murder, etc... Sin the the transgression of the law; no law, no sin.

Only God can save; man cannot... if you qualify as a person, you cannot save yourself. God will call and when you hear His calling, come to Jesus for salvation. If you reach a point where God turns you over to a reprobate mind --- you simply won't know and may even think you can be good enough. In reality; no one is good enough.

Christ Jesus' salvation will take away problems whatever they are; God knows and will provide. I know this. God promised it. I won't allow you to be temped above that which you can withstand plus; if if becomes too heavy, I'll remove it promises God Almighty. I know this is true from experience.

That small still voice in your conscience is from God; heed the calling while you can. "My Spirit will not always strive with man". Seek God on this matter honestly and stoutly.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#160 Feb 3, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
....
Regardless; sin is sin. It may be gay, robbery, murder, etc... Sin the the transgression of the law; no law, no sin.
...
But that's the issue, isn't it?

A natural and God given trait CANNOT be a sin, since it is not chosen and cannot be changed. It is the will of God.

And deciding that the same behavior that is blessed in a straight person must be condemned only if God mad a person gay is just not sensible.

And God gave us common sense for a reason.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#161 Feb 3, 2013
NoQ wrote:
<quoted text>
A harmless trait?? Is that what you're calling it now?? It's not harmless when the norm for children is to see male and female as couples together, as it should be, then seeing Jack and John together kissing or worse in front of them, cause they tend to think it's not their problem what the kids might think.
Of course it's harmless. How could it not be? It doesn't harm the gay person, and can't harm anyone who is not gay.

And how is seeing male couples and female couples together going to harm any child? How is seeing them kiss any different than seeing an opposite sex couple kiss?

Most kids are going to say ewwwwwaaaa, either way.

Now, our chosen behaviors may or may not be a problem, but any sensible person would apply the same standards to gay and straight people. We are the same species, you know.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#162 Feb 3, 2013
NoQ wrote:
<quoted text>
A harmless trait?? Is that what you're calling it now?? It's not harmless when the norm for children is to see male and female as couples together, as it should be, then seeing Jack and John together kissing or worse in front of them, cause they tend to think it's not their problem what the kids might think.
And, as a side note, although I disagree with you completely, it was nice to read a post without all of the name calling.

Isn't debate better?
Bible Believer

United States

#165 Feb 3, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
But that's the issue, isn't it?
A natural and God given trait CANNOT be a sin, since it is not chosen and cannot be changed. It is the will of God.
And deciding that the same behavior that is blessed in a straight person must be condemned only if God mad a person gay is just not sensible.
And God gave us common sense for a reason.
Gay is not natural nor is it God given. Is Lucifer your god. May work from that angle.
God may have given some common sense. God said; "there is none good, no, not one". God did not make anyone a homosexual. Not all are equally bright or muscular or can run as fast or jump as high. But; all are born sinful and in need of God's salvation. Regardless of the sin (except blasphemy of the Holy Ghost); God can forgive and elevate above sin through His righteousness.

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#166 Feb 3, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay is not natural nor is it God given. Is Lucifer your god. May work from that angle.
God may have given some common sense. God said; "there is none good, no, not one". God did not make anyone a homosexual. Not all are equally bright or muscular or can run as fast or jump as high. But; all are born sinful and in need of God's salvation. Regardless of the sin (except blasphemy of the Holy Ghost); God can forgive and elevate above sin through His righteousness.
He's mine!!!!

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#167 Feb 3, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay is not natural nor is it God given. Is Lucifer your god. May work from that angle.
God may have given some common sense. God said; "there is none good, no, not one". God did not make anyone a homosexual. Not all are equally bright or muscular or can run as fast or jump as high. But; all are born sinful and in need of God's salvation. Regardless of the sin (except blasphemy of the Holy Ghost); God can forgive and elevate above sin through His righteousness.
BTW I would hang with Jesus... but my standard escort rate of $125 an hour would still apply... hey not even the son of god rides for free

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Since: Dec 12

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#171 Feb 3, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay is not natural nor is it God given.
The bible teaches that we humans have a "sin nature," inherited from Adam, that gives us a natural inclination to selfishness, greed, lust, envy, etc. does it not (Gen 6:5, Jer 17:9, Romans 3:10-18)? Therefore NO sin is "God-given." Yet it is natural to every son of Adam and every daughter of Eve, according to the bible verses I cited. We don't all share the same weaknesses, but we are all weak, all helpless, all beyond any ability to rise above our corrupt, fallen, depraved nature. Homosexuality is one of many such weaknesses that some of us come by as naturally as any other sin.
Is Lucifer your god. May work from that angle.
Let's not give the enemy any more credit than he deserves. Even the Christian bible calls him, "the prince and power of the air (Eph 2:2)." And it describes those of us without Christ as being "held captive by Satan to do his will (2nd Timothy 2:25)." That kinda sorta makes him a god in a sense, doesn't it? But why treat his captives with contempt when you're supposed to be about helping to set them free?
God said; "there is none good, no, not one". God did not make anyone a homosexual. Not all are equally bright or muscular or can run as fast or jump as high. But; all are born sinful and in need of God's salvation.
So apparently, we do agree that NO sin is natural. Therefore if you want to say that "homosexuality is unnatural," you must ALSO agree that every OTHER temptation is also unnatural. In the end, we're all in the same boat after all, whether gay or straight. Since God does not discriminate on which sins He forgives, neither should you or I.
Bible Believer

United States

#172 Feb 3, 2013
No one has the promise of another day. If and when God calls; don't delay.

One only knows what salvation is after the fact. You may have up to your death; but no chance after death.

Regardless; you will stand before God Almighty. The fantasy land of the secret rapture crowd is not scriptural.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2 Peter 3:10-12 (KJV)
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#173 Feb 3, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
I had never judged Tiny Timmie as gay; only confused. Some problem surrounding gay is the category by which one is gay. Some have been suckered into it not realizing all concerns while others are motivated by pure evil mean spirit.
Regardless; sin is sin. It may be gay, robbery, murder, etc... Sin the the transgression of the law; no law, no sin.
Only God can save; man cannot... if you qualify as a person, you cannot save yourself. God will call and when you hear His calling, come to Jesus for salvation. If you reach a point where God turns you over to a reprobate mind --- you simply won't know and may even think you can be good enough. In reality; no one is good enough.
Christ Jesus' salvation will take away problems whatever they are; God knows and will provide. I know this. God promised it. I won't allow you to be temped above that which you can withstand plus; if if becomes too heavy, I'll remove it promises God Almighty. I know this is true from experience.
That small still voice in your conscience is from God; heed the calling while you can. "My Spirit will not always strive with man". Seek God on this matter honestly and stoutly.
A church congregation that practices homophobia has no jurisdiction over gay people

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#175 Feb 3, 2013
fr NoQ:

>There's no such thing as homophobia, you stupid...<

Then what would YOU call a group of people dragging their small children to hold up anti-gay signs, throw ROCKS and spit on people peacefully participating in a gay pride parade, then? Oh, and these people claim to be "good Christians", and one of them MURDERED a gay person in my area, and then skipped the country, like the COWARD he was.

Guess what, bub. There IS homophobia. Get a clue, get secular counselling for your hatred and bigotry, and please, grow UP. Act your age, not your shoe size, which I think is 9.
Borngay

Alpharetta, GA

#176 Feb 3, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
Gay is not natural nor is it God given
Such an irrational statement proves your version of religion to be 100% made-up lies
.
It reveals you to be a homophobic bi-sexual trying to fool yourself
.
The root of your homophobia lies with you; not with us
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#177 Feb 3, 2013
NoQ wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no such thing as homophobia, you stupid fk.
If you were not a homophobe; you would be outdoors possey hunting right now; sugar
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#178 Feb 3, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
God did not make anyone a homosexual
Homosexual is not a person
.
Homosexual is sex orientation
.
Example of usage:
++++++++++
Gay guys are born with the same sex orientation your 'mother' was born with; attracted to men
.
Perhaps your mother should homeschool you on that little tidbit since she knows all about being attracted to men and you haven't a clue

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#179 Feb 3, 2013
Bible Believer wrote:
<quoted text>
Gay is not natural nor is it God given. Is Lucifer your god. May work from that angle.
.....
Believing something does not make it true. Being gay is indeed a natural and God-given trait. Your belief otherwise carries no weight, and it just isn't reality based.

And how in the world did you decide I follow Satan? Good Grief!

Didn't Jesus himself warn against judging others without knowledge?

Do you even know what is required of a Christian?

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