LifeWay: Big drop in Americans who think being gay's a sin

Jan 10, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Tennessean

Americans who believe being gay is a sin are no longer the majority -- not even half -- a shift a Southern Baptist-affiliated research group pins on President Barack Obama's changed opinion of gay marriage.

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Catholicism is the Sun (Baal / Babylonian religion REV 17). Islam: Allah is the Moon god. Ask any Mason; look at the red Fez they wear and they pray to Allah. Larger number in USA than anywhere.

The star of their god = Lucifer = the Hexagram most powerful symbol is Satanism. Jews have the Menorah while Zionist (Grand Orient Lodge) have the Hexagram.

But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Amos 5:26 (KJV) Chiun from ancient Chaldean is STUR S=60 T= 400 U=6 R=200 = 666, just like the Hexagram. Notice the Cardinals carrying these alpha characters on poles behind the Pope. With both the Hexagram and STUR there is not mistake; they are the Babylonian religion re-created in 318AD. There were rejected by the NT churches in 321AD.

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Phil McGroen wrote:
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The SCRIPTURE is clear that men engaging in sex with men is an ABOMINATION.{Thanks for the long "COPY/PASTE" but try to think of your own or at least use scripture}
THE MEN IN SODOM WERE HOMOSEXUALS BY TODAYS TERMS...
That is your interpretation. Many understand the story of Sodom was about the Golden Rule. It was about how you treat the strangers at the gate. Do you harm them, or treat them as you would yourself?

You choose to harm them.

Even if you believe every man, young and old, from every quarter of the city, was gay, they were not at Lot's place to establish committed relationships based on mutual love and respect. Depending on your interpretation, they were there to know them. Many interpret that as rape. Gang rape has nothing to do with being an authentic gay person. Rape is not love. It has nothing to do with love.

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Those in search of a universal biblical standard might want to consider these verses:

Matthew 7:12,: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Galatians 5:14: The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

James 2-8 But if you keep the greatest law of all, as it is given in the holy Writings, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself, you do well:

Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it:'Love your neighbor as yourself. The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments."

Mark 12:30-31: And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Luke 10:27: He answered:‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and,‘Love your neighbor as yourself.'

Romans 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:9 The commandments,“Do not commit adultery,”“Do not murder,”“Do not steal,”“Do not covet,” and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule:“Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

1 John 4:21: And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

James 4-11 Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.

Romans 12-10: Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves.

Leviticus 19:18: You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 19:34: But the stranger that dwells with you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Luke 6:31: Do to others as you would have them do to you.

John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Romans 2-1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

James 4:11 Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.

Romans 14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.
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Get a real Bible; that would help your understanding.

Those whose path is from Egypt and Rome are not Holy Bibles.

We are to follow Jesus and the Apostles teachings. Not 4th century make your own bible.

Your texts are way off from being correct.
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"LifeWay: Big drop in Americans who think being gay's a sin"
No doubt due to the gays conducting the biggest misinformation campaign in history.

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True Christian witness wrote:
The book of Revelation warns the people who consider themselves children of God, to leave all false religion and find the true family of God, the one world wide family that is living the instructions from Jesus to these congregations in the Book of Revelation.
Revelation 18:4 Revelation 1:17-19
All false Christian religions as well as Pagan religions are about to be destroyed by our King and Judge Jesus when the great tribulation starts, very soon now. Fake Christians are evident by their works today, they disobey God's word of righteousness and are children of the devil, not Jehovah God.
John 8:44 1Corinthians 6:9,10
The book of revelation was not even added to the Roman canon until the 6th century over the objections of many religious leaders. The Roman Emperor Justinian added this much disputed book while at the same time outlawing the teaching of reincarnation of the early Christians and replacing the teaching of reincarnation with the hellfire doctrine.

Emperor Justinian did this to increase the power of the state controlled church to control the populace with hate and fear. There is nothing in the Book of Revelation that is in harmony with the teachings of the historical Jesus, who's only emphasis was the two most important commandments in the bible, to LOVE GOD with our whole mind, our whole heart, and our whole soul, and to LOVE our neighbor as our self.

Today most apocalyptic cults depend on the book of revelation to prove their hate and fear based religions are right.

True Christianity is what Jesus taught and is not about a god-man king who will kill all of our enemies as is taught by the Roman hoax of Christianity. True Christianity is all about LOVE. And it makes it clear that this LOVE is to be extended to our enemies, who are just like us, children of the one true GOD.

False Christians do not even believe in LOVE and spend all of their time judging others in defiance of the scriptures they falsely claim to adhere to.

This is what the bible you pick and chose from to attack others has to say about LOVE:

1 John 4:8 (King James Version)

"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

You can rationalize your hate by calling it conditional love, but true LOVE is not conditional as stated clearly here:

Luke 6:27-36 (King James Version)

"27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful."

This should be simple enough to understand yet there are still many religions that reject the two most important commandments in the bible and instead practice judging others instead of LOVING them.

It's sad really. It's only by actively practicing the two most important commandments in the bible in our day to day life that we will ever come to understand the message of the historical Jesus, a message that words can not convey. Only LOVE can reveal the nature of LOVE.

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

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"LifeWay: Big drop in Americans who think being gay's a sin"
No doubt due to the gays conducting the biggest misinformation campaign in history.
naaaa its because a lot of americans see past your ignorant hate based on your mythical superstitions... sorry but your sky fairy is irrelavent
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<quoted text>naaaa its because a lot of americans see past your ignorant hate based on your mythical superstitions... sorry but your sky fairy is irrelavent
Lillith honey, how are your new titties working out for you? Evidently they haven't helped your self-esteem.
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Lililth the Satanic witch (I assume you have some knowledge; hence the name: surely you know its source)--- folks like her are the reason for the school shootings, hatred on every turn. Their evil spirit spawns mean-spirited people. As they say; misery loves company.

When someone says they're a satanist; believe them. They are not bound by honesty or to tell the truth. Their word is useless.

Why bother to listen to anyone that belongs to Lucifer. One can't help but feel sorry for such folks; being depraved and without knowledge. Without the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. They speak evil of things they have no knowledge of.

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True Christian witness wrote:
The book of Revelation warns the people who consider themselves children of God, to leave all false religion and find the true family of God, the one world wide family that is living the instructions from Jesus to these congregations in the Book of Revelation.
Revelation 18:4 Revelation 1:17-19
All false Christian religions as well as Pagan religions are about to be destroyed by our King and Judge Jesus when the great tribulation starts, very soon now. Fake Christians are evident by their works today, they disobey God's word of righteousness and are children of the devil, not Jehovah God.
John 8:44 1Corinthians 6:9,10
The "John" and "Revelation" tracts were both gentile works, the former based upon the teachings of Philo of Alexandria, and the latter an "apocalypse" a form of tract writing popular at the time as a means of communication in a kind of code that could get by Government censors. It doesn't describe what you think it does.

For example, it describes the circumstances surrounding the murder of James, Yeshua's brother and head of the Jerusalem community, and the flight of that community up into the Galilee and the crossing into the desert at the approach of the Romans and the destruction of Jerusalem. The community (woman) fled to a place prepared in the desert (Petra), where they hid for a time before scattering along the trade routes.

Written after the events it describes, that tract doesn't even come close to saying what you think it does.

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Lillith honey, how are your new titties working out for you? Evidently they haven't helped your self-esteem.
awwwh what's wtrong fucktard... truth hurt

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Lililth the Satanic witch (I assume you have some knowledge; hence the name: surely you know its source)--- folks like her are the reason for the school shootings, hatred on every turn. Their evil spirit spawns mean-spirited people. As they say; misery loves company.
When someone says they're a satanist; believe them. They are not bound by honesty or to tell the truth. Their word is useless.
Why bother to listen to anyone that belongs to Lucifer. One can't help but feel sorry for such folks; being depraved and without knowledge. Without the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. They speak evil of things they have no knowledge of.
awwwh what's wtrong fucktard... truth hurt...
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The rapture or the gathering unto Christ Jesus happens at the Last Trump; it is here in scripture.
The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:14-15 (KJV) During the 3rd woe near the end and during tribulation the last trump sounds and the church is taken out and away from the earth for God to pour out His wrath upon the wicked left behind. The fantasy of Lucifer's temple to awaken the Jews is silly. Zionist and Ashkenazi Jews are not descendants of Jacob even.
Preaching a Rapture is adding to the Bible, that is a false doctrine that is taught as fact, if there were a Rapture, then the Christian Greek Scriptures are all lies.

(Revelation 22:18, 19). . .“I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll.

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Preaching a Rapture is adding to the Bible, that is a false doctrine that is taught as fact, if there were a Rapture, then the Christian Greek Scriptures are all lies.
(Revelation 22:18, 19). . .“I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll.
That's a standard curse formula used by secret tract writers. pseudepigraphy was so common at the time, such were the closest they could come to a copyright notice. lol

Since the tract itself is not a piece of prophetic writing, but an apocalypse tract written after the events it's describes, there's no reason to sweat it.

Apocalypses were a means of communication that could get by Imperial censors and their courts. Written in a kind of code similar to Norse kennings, they were a means of passing data between various cells of a movement. The "angels" (messengers) "speaking to the churches" were precisely this, with a more general message to everyone, and wrapped in mystical claptrap. Citizens of the Empire were VERY superstitious. Their fear of possibly endangering themselves by treading upon unseen mysteries was a very useful tool.

The apocalypse called "revelations" IS a very important work, not because it's been misinterpreted to be prophetic. That just means that then ruse worked, and continues to work today long after it's usefulness is over.

It's importance is that it is a surviving document of the ORIGINAL Jerusalem community of followers of Yeshua. It demonstrates not just that there was a clandestine remnant of the original followers inside the Roman Empire of the Eastern Mediterranean, but that they also existed infiltrated inside Saul's movement ... inside Saul's "churches". This apocalypse was an important means of communication between these hidden cells during a time of great danger, not just from the Romans, but from the Sauline movement as well.

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True Christian witness wrote:
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Preaching a Rapture is adding to the Bible, that is a false doctrine that is taught as fact, if there were a Rapture, then the Christian Greek Scriptures are all lies.
(Revelation 22:18, 19). . .“I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll.
Revelation, the book you use to condemn adding anything to the bible was itself added to the bible in the 6th century by Emperor Justinian.

This addition of the book of Revelation was done over the objection of the Pope who probably got just as indignant as you did at the very thought of adding anything to the bible.

The curse itself being put in the verse that you quoted is a common practice that was used by authors of the time to protect their works and the curse only referred to the book of Revelation itself.

This is a matter of historical record that you can easily confirm for yourself by examining the evidence that can easily be found from multiple sources on the Internet.

And to think that many religions have built their whole doctrine on this book that was added to the bible at the demand of a Roman Warlord to strengthen his political position!
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Rapture is relative new word to refer to this event: The coming of our Lord Jesus Christ; and by our gathering together unto him.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thess 2:1-3 (KJV)

You should get a real Bible and away from the Babylonians:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Rev 22:18-21 (KJV)

TCW; looks like you are Catholics making such statements. At least you know Catholics are Catholic; not Christian. You will believe the Bible one day; promise.
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REV is in clear plain English. It is only hidden to some or many as the case may be.

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Rapture is relative new word to refer to this event: The coming of our Lord Jesus Christ; and by our gathering together unto him.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thess 2:1-3 (KJV)
You should get a real Bible and away from the Babylonians:
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Rev 22:18-21 (KJV)
TCW; looks like you are Catholics making such statements. At least you know Catholics are Catholic; not Christian. You will believe the Bible one day; promise.
Saul is not a good source.

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REV is in clear plain English. It is only hidden to some or many as the case may be.
That's nonsense, and tends toward gnosticism.

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Time to move this discussion to a theology forum I think. The topic has obviously been abandoned.

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