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#80065 May 14, 2013
Pete wrote:
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I don't suppose you have noticed the several scandals going on right now that are blanketing all news sources. Being accused of cheating by cheaters results in total disregard for the accusers.
Run that by me, again...and give an example!

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#80066 May 14, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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Bin Laden hasn't masterminded the attacks that led to 3000 American deaths at that point, he wasn't quite the Public Enemy #1 at the time. Who ended up presiding over the death of that particular terrorist, by the way?
*hadn't

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#80067 May 14, 2013
Bush isn't president anymore! Bush isn't president anymore!...but 9/11 was Clinton's fault, even though he had been out of office for nearly a year.

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#80068 May 14, 2013
Amos wrote:
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Again, the adults are having a discussion and your continual butt-ins are not only irrelevant - they are annoying.
Go to bed. Everyone knows you are drunk and full of pills anyway Linda.
Just because you get that way every night, doesn't mean everybody else does!
Pete

Johnson City, TN

#80069 May 14, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
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Yeah??? Name one!
John Quincy Adams

Rutherford Hayes

Benjamin Harrison

George W. Bush

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#80070 May 14, 2013
Amos wrote:
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There have been many many presidents who have won without winning the popular vote. The Founders set our form of gov't up this way to ensure that major metropolitan centers didn't rule the vote.
Now, despite your ignorance of our form of gov't, I'll give you a pass for this post. You are too stupid to continue to waste my intellect and this site's bandwidth on.
Intellect??? If you've got any intellect, you keep it well hidden, that's all I can say. What else are you hiding?
You sound like a Kid, to me....that failed History and Civics!

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#80071 May 14, 2013
Pete wrote:
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There is nothing that even remotely resembles the supply and demand model regarding Obamacare. When you arbitrarily fix the demand side, disrupt the supply side by making entities pay for the cost for other entities, supply and demand doesn't work. If you think Obamacare is an example of capitalism, then you need to study what capitalism is. Capitalism is defined as follows -
"An economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market"
How in the world does Obamacare fit under this definition?
Regarding your last statement, individuals will drop their insurance, but now they will be fined for doing so.
My quotes for next year are in and my insurance premium for employer provided healthcare is now 32.4% more than last year. This came from Blue Cross. United Healthcare was quoted at 36.4% higher than last year. Simply paying the fine for not providing healthcare to my employees results in a 24.8% increase over this past year. However, the fine will increase in 2015. I am opting to continue healthcare for my employees this next year, however, most small businesses won't and a lot will simply go out of business because any business struggling right now will not be able to absorb this added tax. At best, businesses will lower their employee headcount to reduce this tax.
This is no spin or opinion, this is based on hard core data directly from my insurance broker. Right now, small businesses are being assaulted and it is not by big corporations, it is by big government. Many small businesses simply cannot afford to do this and won't be able to.
In my opinion, by the end of 2014, the small business environment will be completely changed from what it is today. The end result will be less competition, higher prices, higher inflation, less employment and vastly more expensive healthcare insurance premiums. Yes, it is good that more Americans will now be covered by insurance. But is the huge cost associated with this worth it?? I guess we will soon see. Currently, it doesn't look good.
Wonder what it would have been like it the Republicans had let it be a Single-Payer System like Medicare...like Obama and his Administration wanted it to be?

What percentage was your increasein cost last year?

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#80072 May 14, 2013
...increase in cost...

“IMNTBHO”

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#80073 May 14, 2013
Amos wrote:
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5 YEARS of blaming Bush.
How about getting with the times. Bush is not president. This discussion is about how OBAMA's IRS went after everyone politically opposed to him - and YES, despite what he said, the IRS IS part of the EXECUTIVE branch of government...
Is it not supremely interesting that Obama is NEVER informed about what is going on??? Solyndra, Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS, and tapping the press....
If he doesn't know what's going on, he's incompetent. If he does, he is being treasonous - and should be impeached.
Plus, unlike Slick Willie...there is NO question of just what IS...is.
The question with Obama is if there is there.

“IMNTBHO”

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#80074 May 14, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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Yes, and Bush wasn't informed of bin Laden's intentions with the CIA briefing entitled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US?"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Dete...
I suppose I'll invariably hear more "Bush isn't president anymore" after this blast from the past.
Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency and given to U.S. President George W. Bush on Monday, August 6, 2001. The brief warned of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda 36 days before the September 11, 2001 attacks.[1]
??
I have seen numerous people ridiculed by the Liberals on here for using wikipedia as a source. Now look who is doing it. LOL

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#80075 May 14, 2013
Pete wrote:
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John Quincy Adams
Rutherford Hayes
Benjamin Harrison
George W. Bush
I thought Bush Supporters claim that he won the Popular Vote. Actually, I know that's what they claim. I just never knew if it was true or not.

“IMNTBHO”

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#80076 May 14, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
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Yeah??? Name one!
How about 4?

Four presidents have been elected in this manner: John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888 and George W. Bush in 2000.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepoliticalsys...

“IMNTBHO”

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#80077 May 14, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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Bin Laden hasn't masterminded the attacks that led to 3000 American deaths at that point, he wasn't quite the Public Enemy #1 at the time. Who ended up presiding over the death of that particular terrorist, by the way?
But Bin Laden had already declared war on America at that time and Clinton chose to ignore that and not take him when offered by Sudan.

As far as who presided over his death. I will let Obama's own words cover that one. Obama "You didn't build that".

“IMNTBHO”

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#80078 May 14, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
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I thought Bush Supporters claim that he won the Popular Vote. Actually, I know that's what they claim. I just never knew if it was true or not.
If you watched Fox News instead of going to all those far left propaganda sites, you would know that they make no such claims. But I can understand your kind not wanting anything to do with fair and balanced reporting. It does not fit your agenda.

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#80079 May 14, 2013
NTMD8OR wrote:
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But Bin Laden had already declared war on America at that time and Clinton chose to ignore that and not take him when offered by Sudan.
As far as who presided over his death. I will let Obama's own words cover that one. Obama "You didn't build that".
Someone pulled the string on your back and the wrong talking point came out.

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#80080 May 14, 2013
NTMD8OR wrote:
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I have seen numerous people ridiculed by the Liberals on here for using wikipedia as a source. Now look who is doing it. LOL
Funny, I have only seen conservatives attacking Wikipedia as a source. Please provide a post # where I have done this.

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#80081 May 14, 2013
NTMD8OR wrote:
<quoted text>If you watched Fox News instead of going to all those far left propaganda sites, you would know that they make no such claims. But I can understand your kind not wanting anything to do with fair and balanced reporting. It does not fit your agenda.
"Fair and balanced." Hee hee.

“IMNTBHO”

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#80082 May 14, 2013
NTMD8OR wrote:
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How about 4?
Four presidents have been elected in this manner: John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888 and George W. Bush in 2000.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepoliticalsys...
From further reading the article I find that there was an added hitch in the John Quincy Adams win. It seems that he not only lost the popular vote but that neither candidate got a majority of electoral votes. This kicked in the 17th amendment and the House of Representatives actually voted Adams in.

From the same article.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepoliticalsys...

"Should none of the candidates win 270 electoral votes, the 12th Amendment kicks in and the election is decided by the House of Representatives. The combined representatives of each state get one vote and a simple majority of states is required to win. This has only happened twice. Presidents Thomas Jefferson in 1801 and John Quincy Adams in 1825 were elected by the House of Representatives."

Of course in 1825 they did not have 538 members of congress like now so the number of electoral votes needed was less.
Pete

Johnson City, TN

#80083 May 14, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
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Wonder what it would have been like it the Republicans had let it be a Single-Payer System like Medicare...like Obama and his Administration wanted it to be?
What percentage was your increasein cost last year?
I'm not going to speculate on the "what if's." I am just interested in the reality that businesses are in now. The reality is healthcare is not free. Covering more people and expanding the coverage means increased costs. Somebody has to pay these costs. Right now, most of those costs will have to be paid by businesses and a cut in medicare, and of course, taxpayers in general. Business costs are now going to go up by approximately 30%. Therefore, if you weren't making 30% or more in profits before Obamacare, then you are now in a losing situation. What that means is a business will have to increase prices without affecting sales and cut costs. That means everything we purchase will now cost more and nationwide employment will go down. This will also mean more outsourced manufacturing, overseas service centers, less quality per dollar purchased, etc. This will also result in less competition, reduced quality of healthcare, and you will have to admit ... a new higher benchmark at which taxes will be raised from in the future.

I will use my business as an example. I am going to continue to provide healthcare for employees who want it in 2014. However, the level of coverage that I am going to provide is going to go down. Therefore, many of my employees will probably have to purchase a supplementary plan to get the same coverage I was providing before Obamacare. To pay for this increase in healthcare insurance, I will have to do without some employees, pay lower wages and bonuses, and eliminate other benefits such as 401K and reduced vacation time. If the economy was good, I could have simply increased pricing to help offset these costs. But no business in their right mind would do that now.

The end result is that my insurance is going to go up by $75,000 annually. Let's say that an average healthcare insurance plan for an individual is going to be around $6,000. That figure is probably grossly understated but I will be conservative here. That means that my increase indirectly paid for 12.5 people to have insurance at no cost to them. I say this because I either pay this insurance increase or pay the fine. It is the same result. Anyway, in return for 12.5 people now having insurance, 102 of my employees now have less healthcare coverage or have to pay for a supplemental insurance plan, some of these 102 employees will lose their job, wages will probably go down by about 10% over time, and they will no longer be able to receive bonuses or consistent raises. They will also probably lose their 401K plan and have less vacation. My argument is why affect 102 people this much to provide for 12.5 people? And this is just my business. Every business is going through the same research and budgeting as I am, large and small.

I am assuming some people will simply state that corporations are making a killing these days and can afford this cost increase. They will point to the stock market as an example. However, the stock market is made up of shareholders. Corporations don't own shares unless it is Treasury Stock and that is very minimal. A booming stock market helps shareholders. It doesn't necessarily help a corporation's cash flow or bottom line. I can also guarantee you that there are very few corporations making a 30% or more profit on sales. Therefore, if the average cost increase of insurance is 30% or if the fine increases costs by 30%, what do you think is going to happen? Let's just say it's not something good. This affects everyone, taxpayers and non-taxpayers. In short, we are facing a train wreck.

To answer your last question, the insurance increase I had last year was 2%.
Pete

Johnson City, TN

#80084 May 14, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
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I thought Bush Supporters claim that he won the Popular Vote. Actually, I know that's what they claim. I just never knew if it was true or not.
I was just answering your question.

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