hey

Martin, TN

#65049 Feb 4, 2013
Sure you do!!!!!!!!!!Linda
Linda

Paris, TN

#65050 Feb 4, 2013
hey wrote:
Sure you do!!!!!!!!!!Linda
I don't really know what you mean by that nor who you really are, so I'll just leave it alone...unless you want to explain further.

Remember what I said about "explanations preventing a lot of misunderstandings"...and hard feelings.
Linda

Paris, TN

#65052 Feb 4, 2013
CON"T.)

And now for the tricky part: our homework. Have you ever been tempted to click a link your Tea Partier friend or crazy uncle shared on Facebook after reading their vitriol spew out setting up the link? Have you ever wanted to pick up ďAtlas ShruggedĒ after watching an unhinged NeoCon claim itís the most important book other than The Bible and youíre a Socialist piece of shit for not loving it? No. Of course you havenít. So while Iím all for calling every member of the Tea Party out for their hypocrisy, and while I do so here and on social media willingly, perhaps itís time to become more selective and diplomatic with the conservatives who just genuinely donít realize theyíre being lied to and given half-truths all the time. Maybe with a little bit of that trademark liberal compassion we can at least get them to just turn Fox News off.

Letís learn from the mistakes of the zealots. When engaging in verbal combat with a conservative, one thatís not foaming at the mouth of course, perhaps we can just gently float a link to a non-Murdoch media outlet. Maybe we can drop our own ad hominem attacks and focus more on their argument, their position, than who the person is thatís fighting back against us. Iím not immune to the temptation of pejoratives. Iíve called my fair share of people ďTea BaggersĒ or ďConserva-Dopes.Ē And I canít promise Iíll stop that altogether. I suppose Iím just arguing for better target assessment. Should Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan and Bachmann all get the most amount of shit heaped upon them as humanly possible? Of course. But that conservative friend you have that maybe just doesnít realize there are other options out there? He might be swayed with some good olí fashioned conversation.

ďHey, I noticed you shared that image on Facebook of Obama dressed as Hitler. Did you know that Hitler never actually ordered the disarmament of his people? I Googled it, and hereís a couple of links I found that you might find interesting.Ē Their response will tell you whether itís worth pursuing the conversation further. Remember, itís not our job to get them to think like we do. Iím a former conservative. Let me tell you from experience that it takes a personally introspective effort to flip from one side of the aisle to the other. In my case it took me finally realizing I never believed the things I was being force-fed as my belief system Ė at least not everything - and that Iíd always been a liberal person. For others, maybe itís just a matter of getting that right fact, that right little tidbit of knowledge that will turn someone around.

Or perhaps just talking more civilly with those will reciprocate will also open up avenues of compromise we never thought possible. But it certainly canít hurt, to exercise the Golden Rule in place of nuclear weaponry. I know there will be some, maybe some of my regular readers, who think Iím going soft. I assure you, thatís not the case. I will always stand up and vociferously claim our right to believe what we want, and to push back on our legislators to do their jobs and represent us. But Iím a pragmatists too. I realize that compromise is the only way things get done in this country in a way that doesnít turn our country in on itself. Yes, there will be extremes on both sides of the aisle, and I may even hold some of those extreme opinions, but rebuilding our country after the devastation that eight years of war and another four of political demagoguery have wrought will also require rebuilding the fences between Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives.

CON'T.)
Linda

Paris, TN

#65053 Feb 4, 2013
CON'T.)


Maybe weíll never knock that fence down completely, but that doesnít mean we canít be respectful of each otherís properties either. Iím not suggesting giving in. Iím not suggesting changing our position. Clearly if the Republicans want to remain relevant nationally they that have soul-searching to do on their platform and its values. But there is still plenty of work to be done by the Democrats to be kind shepherds of the liberal agenda, leading by example. They will always resist our ideas, but with some coaxing and a little bit of political give and take, youíd be surprised what can get done. Thereís already a sweeping immigration reform bill that was presented by a bipartisan cadre of senators. There is hope. There is change.

But it has to be done together, or itís pointless to try. The winds of change are already blowing in our direction. Polls are showing more and more people in favor of marriage equality, immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship, and even legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana. Progress is inevitable, as long as we donít scare off the level-headed among our opposition. Theyíre out thereÖwe just canít be afraid to go looking for them.


And once we find them, we have to convince them stay.
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#65055 Feb 5, 2013
Linda wrote:
CON'T.)
Maybe weíll never knock that fence down completely, but that doesnít mean we canít be respectful of each otherís properties either. Iím not suggesting giving in. Iím not suggesting changing our position. Clearly if the Republicans want to remain relevant nationally they that have soul-searching to do on their platform and its values. But there is still plenty of work to be done by the Democrats to be kind shepherds of the liberal agenda, leading by example. They will always resist our ideas, but with some coaxing and a little bit of political give and take, youíd be surprised what can get done. Thereís already a sweeping immigration reform bill that was presented by a bipartisan cadre of senators. There is hope. There is change.
But it has to be done together, or itís pointless to try. The winds of change are already blowing in our direction. Polls are showing more and more people in favor of marriage equality, immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship, and even legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana. Progress is inevitable, as long as we donít scare off the level-headed among our opposition. Theyíre out thereÖwe just canít be afraid to go looking for them.
And once we find them, we have to convince them stay.
Linda, in my part of Tennessee I'm standing at that fence you speak of and I can't talk to any Republicans/Independents(well maybe 1 or 2) because they are nowhere near the fence, and I'm not going to yell. The level-headed ones you speak of are the only ones I can speak to.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#65056 Feb 5, 2013
Dee Lay wrote:
<quoted text>Hello overtaxed .... how have you been
Im fine Dee, good to hear from you ! How do you like being retired ?
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#65059 Feb 5, 2013
8 more Republican Senators voted against "Violence Against Women Act".
Two of these Senators have aspirations for the Presidency in 2016'.
Pete

Nashville, TN

#65061 Feb 5, 2013
Linda wrote:
CON'T.)
Maybe weíll never knock that fence down completely, but that doesnít mean we canít be respectful of each otherís properties either. Iím not suggesting giving in. Iím not suggesting changing our position. Clearly if the Republicans want to remain relevant nationally they that have soul-searching to do on their platform and its values. But there is still plenty of work to be done by the Democrats to be kind shepherds of the liberal agenda, leading by example. They will always resist our ideas, but with some coaxing and a little bit of political give and take, youíd be surprised what can get done. Thereís already a sweeping immigration reform bill that was presented by a bipartisan cadre of senators. There is hope. There is change.
But it has to be done together, or itís pointless to try. The winds of change are already blowing in our direction. Polls are showing more and more people in favor of marriage equality, immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship, and even legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana. Progress is inevitable, as long as we donít scare off the level-headed among our opposition. Theyíre out thereÖwe just canít be afraid to go looking for them.
And once we find them, we have to convince them stay.
Republicans will always remain relevant as long as there are people like you in the other party. Keep it coming, you are the best recruiter the republicans ever had. You are the reason this area is over 80% Republican. Thank you!
Truth Detector

Jamestown, TN

#65062 Feb 5, 2013
Dunlapian wrote:
8 more Republican Senators voted against "Violence Against Women Act".
Two of these Senators have aspirations for the Presidency in 2016'.
"Last week, the conservative Independent Womenís Forum said the Violence Against Women Act, passed first in 1994, was a waste of money that could actually be intensifying domestic violence.

ďAlthough there is little credible evidence that V.A.W.A. programs are reducing the effects and occurrence of domestic and sexual violence, there is evidence that several of the policies instituted under V.A.W.A. may actually be harming the very victims they were designed to protect,Ē wrote Christina Villegas, a visiting fellow at the group."

The last time I checked, there were already zillions of laws that severely punish men who abuse women. We can start with battery, assault, domestic assault, etc.
Truth Detector

Jamestown, TN

#65063 Feb 5, 2013
Dunlapian wrote:
8 more Republican Senators voted against "Violence Against Women Act".
Two of these Senators have aspirations for the Presidency in 2016'.
Lesseee. Headlines on Violence against women act:

Huffington Post:

Senate Set To Vote On Violence Against Women Act Monday

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/04/sena...

NY Times:

Violence Act Returns in Test of Republicansí Appeal to Women

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/us/politics...

Even ThinkProgress:

Eight Senators Vote To Block Violence Against Women Act

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/04/1...

But here's the sharia law supporting AlGorezeera headline:

Eight Republicans Vote Support for Violence Against Women

No bias there. Completely objective. I do note that as of right now, there are no comments. Apparently the web site attracts the same number of people who watch Current TV. None.

I love it. The news agency owned by the Emir of Qatar, who enforces sharia law that is not exactly favorable to women, shouting out about supporting violence against women.

They do think we're stupid.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#65064 Feb 5, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
"Last week, the conservative Independent Womenís Forum said the Violence Against Women Act, passed first in 1994, was a waste of money that could actually be intensifying domestic violence.
ďAlthough there is little credible evidence that V.A.W.A. programs are reducing the effects and occurrence of domestic and sexual violence, there is evidence that several of the policies instituted under V.A.W.A. may actually be harming the very victims they were designed to protect,Ē wrote Christina Villegas, a visiting fellow at the group."
The last time I checked, there were already zillions of laws that severely punish men who abuse women. We can start with battery, assault, domestic assault, etc.
Christina Villegas, in the article you linked, also thinks the "re-write" of that law should include protections for homosexuals.

VAWA Needs a Serious Overhaul

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-ville...
lol

Jackson, TN

#65066 Feb 5, 2013
Linda wrote:
CON"T.)
And now for the tricky part: our homework. Have you ever been tempted to click a link your Tea Partier friend or crazy uncle shared on Facebook after reading their vitriol spew out setting up the link? Have you ever wanted to pick up ďAtlas ShruggedĒ after watching an unhinged NeoCon claim itís the most important book other than The Bible and youíre a Socialist piece of shit for not loving it? No. Of course you havenít. So while Iím all for calling every member of the Tea Party out for their hypocrisy, and while I do so here and on social media willingly, perhaps itís time to become more selective and diplomatic with the conservatives who just genuinely donít realize theyíre being lied to and given half-truths all the time. Maybe with a little bit of that trademark liberal compassion we can at least get them to just turn Fox News off.
Letís learn from the mistakes of the zealots. When engaging in verbal combat with a conservative, one thatís not foaming at the mouth of course, perhaps we can just gently float a link to a non-Murdoch media outlet. Maybe we can drop our own ad hominem attacks and focus more on their argument, their position, than who the person is thatís fighting back against us. Iím not immune to the temptation of pejoratives. Iíve called my fair share of people ďTea BaggersĒ or ďConserva-Dopes.Ē And I canít promise Iíll stop that altogether. I suppose Iím just arguing for better target assessment. Should Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan and Bachmann all get the most amount of shit heaped upon them as humanly possible? Of course. But that conservative friend you have that maybe just doesnít realize there are other options out there? He might be swayed with some good olí fashioned conversation.
ďHey, I noticed you shared that image on Facebook of Obama dressed as Hitler. Did you know that Hitler never actually ordered the disarmament of his people? I Googled it, and hereís a couple of links I found that you might find interesting.Ē Their response will tell you whether itís worth pursuing the conversation further. Remember, itís not our job to get them to think like we do. Iím a former conservative. Let me tell you from experience that it takes a personally introspective effort to flip from one side of the aisle to the other. In my case it took me finally realizing I never believed the things I was being force-fed as my belief system Ė at least not everything - and that Iíd always been a liberal person. For others, maybe itís just a matter of getting that right fact, that right little tidbit of knowledge that will turn someone around.
Or perhaps just talking more civilly with those will reciprocate will also open up avenues of compromise we never thought possible. But it certainly canít hurt, to exercise the Golden Rule in place of nuclear weaponry. I know there will be some, maybe some of my regular readers, who think Iím going soft. I assure you, thatís not the case. I will always stand up and vociferously claim our right to believe what we want, and to push back on our legislators to do their jobs and represent us. But Iím a pragmatists too. I realize that compromise is the only way things get done in this country in a way that doesnít turn our country in on itself. Yes, there will be extremes on both sides of the aisle, and I may even hold some of those extreme opinions, but rebuilding our country after the devastation that eight years of war and another four of political demagoguery have wrought will also require rebuilding the fences between Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives.
CON'T.)
sassy you're still the same dumbass old slut you always have been.Now you go by your real name,how nice
lol

Jackson, TN

#65067 Feb 5, 2013
Linda wrote:
CON"T.)
And now for the tricky part: our homework. Have you ever been tempted to click a link your Tea Partier friend or crazy uncle shared on Facebook after reading their vitriol spew out setting up the link? Have you ever wanted to pick up ďAtlas ShruggedĒ after watching an unhinged NeoCon claim itís the most important book other than The Bible and youíre a Socialist piece of shit for not loving it? No. Of course you havenít. So while Iím all for calling every member of the Tea Party out for their hypocrisy, and while I do so here and on social media willingly, perhaps itís time to become more selective and diplomatic with the conservatives who just genuinely donít realize theyíre being lied to and given half-truths all the time. Maybe with a little bit of that trademark liberal compassion we can at least get them to just turn Fox News off.
Letís learn from the mistakes of the zealots. When engaging in verbal combat with a conservative, one thatís not foaming at the mouth of course, perhaps we can just gently float a link to a non-Murdoch media outlet. Maybe we can drop our own ad hominem attacks and focus more on their argument, their position, than who the person is thatís fighting back against us. Iím not immune to the temptation of pejoratives. Iíve called my fair share of people ďTea BaggersĒ or ďConserva-Dopes.Ē And I canít promise Iíll stop that altogether. I suppose Iím just arguing for better target assessment. Should Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan and Bachmann all get the most amount of shit heaped upon them as humanly possible? Of course. But that conservative friend you have that maybe just doesnít realize there are other options out there? He might be swayed with some good olí fashioned conversation.
ďHey, I noticed you shared that image on Facebook of Obama dressed as Hitler. Did you know that Hitler never actually ordered the disarmament of his people? I Googled it, and hereís a couple of links I found that you might find interesting.Ē Their response will tell you whether itís worth pursuing the conversation further. Remember, itís not our job to get them to think like we do. Iím a former conservative. Let me tell you from experience that it takes a personally introspective effort to flip from one side of the aisle to the other. In my case it took me finally realizing I never believed the things I was being force-fed as my belief system Ė at least not everything - and that Iíd always been a liberal person. For others, maybe itís just a matter of getting that right fact, that right little tidbit of knowledge that will turn someone around.
Or perhaps just talking more civilly with those will reciprocate will also open up avenues of compromise we never thought possible. But it certainly canít hurt, to exercise the Golden Rule in place of nuclear weaponry. I know there will be some, maybe some of my regular readers, who think Iím going soft. I assure you, thatís not the case. I will always stand up and vociferously claim our right to believe what we want, and to push back on our legislators to do their jobs and represent us. But Iím a pragmatists too. I realize that compromise is the only way things get done in this country in a way that doesnít turn our country in on itself. Yes, there will be extremes on both sides of the aisle, and I may even hold some of those extreme opinions, but rebuilding our country after the devastation that eight years of war and another four of political demagoguery have wrought will also require rebuilding the fences between Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives.
CON'T.)
sassy i see you're still the same dumb azz old slut you always have been.Just using your real name now,how nice
moderate

Fulton, MS

#65068 Feb 5, 2013
A vacuuous rebuke - mayhaps an 80%er of the 1%er
Really Sassy

Duluth, GA

#65069 Feb 5, 2013
To date my name hasn't been released for transfer. Linda dear, you tell lies. Plain and simple.

“"U.S. Constitution"”

Since: Mar 09

Tea-Party

#65070 Feb 5, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> Im fine Dee, good to hear from you ! How do you like being retired ?
Love it I just got back from a Las Vegas trip visiting my son and grand childern. Spending a lot of time in the north woods of Wisconsin hunting and fishing..... life is good. Life is good how about with you ??

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#65072 Feb 5, 2013
Dee Lay wrote:
<quoted text>Love it I just got back from a Las Vegas trip visiting my son and grand childern. Spending a lot of time in the north woods of Wisconsin hunting and fishing..... life is good. Life is good how about with you ??
Anywhere near Rhinelander?

“"U.S. Constitution"”

Since: Mar 09

Tea-Party

#65073 Feb 5, 2013
west of Rhinelander.... small town just north of Rice Lake

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#65075 Feb 5, 2013
Dunlapian wrote:
<quoted text>Linda, in my part of Tennessee I'm standing at that fence you speak of and I can't talk to any Republicans/Independents(well maybe 1 or 2) because they are nowhere near the fence, and I'm not going to yell. The level-headed ones you speak of are the only ones I can speak to.
The Level-headed Ones are few and far between, I agree, and I haven't found, not even ONE who is a Member of the Tea Party, just a few Republicans, VERY few, but a few.
The Tea Party Members ALL personalize their Political views. IOW, if you do not agree with them 110% on any political issue, you are their sworn enemy. I suspect that they are the same way about agreeing with them on ANY issue, but I don't know that because I haven't gotten close enough to one to find out!

As I've stated many times, I like intelligent, honest, and forthright, trustworthy People and so far, I've not found a Tea Party Member who fits all that criteria. I'm not saying that there isn't one, I'm just saying that, if there is, I haven't found him!
anonymous

Paris, TN

#65076 Feb 5, 2013
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