Why do we still have all black colleg...

Why do we still have all black colleges and miss black USA pageants

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“standing up for America.”

Since: Feb 09

Joelton

#1 Feb 16, 2009
Why is it that we still have all black colleges and miss black USA pageants? It's amazing that we have been busing are kids from one side of town to the other so we don't end up all white or black high schools, but yet we can have all a all black college! If we were to open up a college for white people only would that be considered racist? If whites only restrooms,water fountains, and seats on the bus were wrong then please tell me what the difference is? It sounds like someone themself is being a little racist, and I believe it's time that something is done about it.
Fisk Student

Charlotte, NC

#2 Mar 2, 2009
I see where are argument comes from and I understand why you would equate HBCUs and Miss Black USA pageants with some of the restrictions that have been put on African Americans throughout history. However, I beg you to look at it in a different light. Historically Black Colleges and Universities are first, not all black. They are predominantly black because they were built for the education of people of color when they were not allowed to attend PWIs (Predominantly White Institutions). I currently attend an HBCU. We don't sit around and try to plot how we're going to destroy the white race any more than I believe white people do the same at Harvard and Vanderbilt to black people. However what I do learn at Fisk University is that the differences of people go far deeper than what we see on the outside. Secondly, HBCUs teach young people of color how to be proud of who they are and prepares them for the real world. My Core curriculum is based around African American History and Literature. I'm learning things about famous figures who look like me and I was not afforded this opportunity until I was in my late teens. White people don't have to wait that long to learn about Benjamin Franklin, Shakespeare, or countless other individuals. And it's also not an elective to learn these things. It's not about exclusion (like so many of the former barriers set up for blacks), it's about pride and knowing your heritage. Knowing that my legacy is not all about being a slave. And as a former Miss Black Tennessee contestant, I would say that the pageant is about recognizing the attributes of young black women who are impacting the world and the black community.

“standing up for America.”

Since: Feb 09

Joelton

#3 Mar 2, 2009
Fisk Student wrote:
I see where are argument comes from and I understand why you would equate HBCUs and Miss Black USA pageants with some of the restrictions that have been put on African Americans throughout history. However, I beg you to look at it in a different light. Historically Black Colleges and Universities are first, not all black. They are predominantly black because they were built for the education of people of color when they were not allowed to attend PWIs (Predominantly White Institutions). I currently attend an HBCU. We don't sit around and try to plot how we're going to destroy the white race any more than I believe white people do the same at Harvard and Vanderbilt to black people. However what I do learn at Fisk University is that the differences of people go far deeper than what we see on the outside. Secondly, HBCUs teach young people of color how to be proud of who they are and prepares them for the real world. My Core curriculum is based around African American History and Literature. I'm learning things about famous figures who look like me and I was not afforded this opportunity until I was in my late teens. White people don't have to wait that long to learn about Benjamin Franklin, Shakespeare, or countless other individuals. And it's also not an elective to learn these things. It's not about exclusion (like so many of the former barriers set up for blacks), it's about pride and knowing your heritage. Knowing that my legacy is not all about being a slave. And as a former Miss Black Tennessee contestant, I would say that the pageant is about recognizing the attributes of young black women who are impacting the world and the black community.
After reading your comment I have come to realize that you are right, it is important to know where you come from. I hope that you don't think that I was trying to be racist, I was just curious. I do believe that public school systems need to mix the studies of all races, and hopefully one day our children will come to realize the meaning of equality and human rights. I also believe that in order for everyone to be treated the same, we must first start with what is inside of ourself. Thank you for understanding my comment and not taking it the wrong way, I hope that I didn't offend you in any way.
rpg

Nashville, TN

#4 Mar 2, 2009
Some defend the idea of self imposed segregation by saying what white people said when they had all white colleges, "we just want to protect our heritage and culture." Either way you look at it, segregation is still segregation. When white people had colleges,businesses, clubs, etc., it was decried as racism

Since: Aug 08

Mt. Juliet, TN

#5 Mar 3, 2009
Fisk Student wrote:
I see where are argument comes from and I understand why you would equate HBCUs and Miss Black USA pageants with some of the restrictions that have been put on African Americans throughout history. However, I beg you to look at it in a different light. Historically Black Colleges and Universities are first, not all black. They are predominantly black because they were built for the education of people of color when they were not allowed to attend PWIs (Predominantly White Institutions). I currently attend an HBCU. We don't sit around and try to plot how we're going to destroy the white race any more than I believe white people do the same at Harvard and Vanderbilt to black people. However what I do learn at Fisk University is that the differences of people go far deeper than what we see on the outside. Secondly, HBCUs teach young people of color how to be proud of who they are and prepares them for the real world. My Core curriculum is based around African American History and Literature. I'm learning things about famous figures who look like me and I was not afforded this opportunity until I was in my late teens. White people don't have to wait that long to learn about Benjamin Franklin, Shakespeare, or countless other individuals. And it's also not an elective to learn these things. It's not about exclusion (like so many of the former barriers set up for blacks), it's about pride and knowing your heritage. Knowing that my legacy is not all about being a slave. And as a former Miss Black Tennessee contestant, I would say that the pageant is about recognizing the attributes of young black women who are impacting the world and the black community.
As far a HBCU's are concerned, they were good years ago and served a purpose and a void in society that was needed at the time. The days are gone for the need though as all colleges and universities are open to all and have been now for many many years. I remember years ago when blacks sued the system to get a larger ratio of students in the various state schools. They got the agreement they wanted but also told them since TSU was a state school that they had to increase the white enrollment also. The bellyaching hasn't stopped to this day. It is fine if someone wants to voluntarily segregate but no one should whine if they have to make concessions. Can't have it both ways. That goes for the black beauty pageants also. It's all fine to have it, but as far as the Ms. America or Ms. USA pageants, if no black wins it or even makes it on the show there should be no whining whatsoever. Remember, all excuses and whining expired on Jan. 20th. Not attacking your post as it was very informative and interesting but attacking the absurdity of the mindset on this issue.
REFORMTN

Calhoun, LA

#6 Mar 3, 2009
Black people have to have their own instiutions due to the fact that they still don't get 100% fair deal. I know i witnessed this during my miserable TN public education. You better believe the first thing you learn in school is ...
who the rich kids are.....
I don't blame or hate on blacks at all .......and in fact i must admire them...
atleast they seem to stand up for what they believe in.....
As their white counterparts......merely accept.....the constrictions of govt.
Bill of Delaware

United States

#7 Mar 3, 2009
I'm an old timer and years ago, as a white man, I was a borderline racist. Then in Korea I learned...all blood is the same color.

Today it's a struggle NOT to have negative feelings about the black community.(By the way, what ever happened to the word "negro"?)

The facts can't be ignored. Black crime is rampant. Repeat offenders are by far black. All the reasons for this that I've ever heard have long ago been addressed, yet the problems continue.

We have a black president now. The oft-repeated excuse that a black person can't make it because of...(fill in your own reason)...is no longer valid.

So whether or not we have black-only colleges really doesn't matter. It's a very small item compared to the problems of the black community. They seem to have the never-ending problems that other minorities have solved.
joy

Chicago, IL

#8 Apr 25, 2009
As a middle-aged Black American female, all I want each day is to get through my day without hearing or reading ignorant, uninformed, insulting and hurtful comments such as the one left by Bill of Delaware. His comments are exactly why we still need safe places for black youth in which we can continue to build up their self-esteem and cultivate their inner potential. Peace to all.
Amber

Lincolnton, NC

#9 Dec 21, 2011
All I ever hear is how blacks are insulted against because of there color. They are not the only ones. I work in a primary black neighbor hood and I can't tell you how many times customers will refuse for me to wait on them saying I'd prefer her pointing to a black girl. Also anytime there is anything all white whether planned or not we get accused of being racist but there can be all black organizations and they are just being proud of being black? Double standard? I'm not racist in the least bit my god father is black but its still so annoying hearing all the time from people my age (twenties) Saying how I owe them something because of slavery, I'm sorry but you was never a slave and I never had any part in slavery so no I do not owe you anything maybe my great grandparents owe your great grandparents something but that is between them. It seems to me its the black community keeping racist alive and well I mean naacp attacking any commercial, organization, magazine and etc.. that is all white but there is so many black entertainment shows (BET) and even a movie with blacks making fun of whites (white chicks). I know that there is still some really immature people who are still against black people but there is also black people against white so stop acting like your the only ones being picked on. I mean the president is mixed so neither raise is being "held down by the man" I'm sorry if I offend anyone.

Since: Aug 08

Mt. Juliet, TN

#10 Dec 22, 2011
joy wrote:
As a middle-aged Black American female, all I want each day is to get through my day without hearing or reading ignorant, uninformed, insulting and hurtful comments such as the one left by Bill of Delaware. His comments are exactly why we still need safe places for black youth in which we can continue to build up their self-esteem and cultivate their inner potential. Peace to all.
Continue to put your head in the sand Joy. I swear, us white folks aren't just making it all up. You really have some major, major issues in the black community and pointing the finger at Bill for speaking the truth isn't going to solve it.

Ever think that maybe part of the problem with the youth in black communities is....too much self esteem and not enough humility?

Think about it....
Nikki

Stockton, CA

#11 Sep 6, 2012
I don't agree with any college or institution calling itself an all black or all white or all yellow, purple, etc. anything. If we are every going to grow up and kick racism we have to be open to all people and not segregate (voluntary or non-voluntary). We also need to stop pointing the finger at one another for the mistakes made by ancestors of the past and move on. Black history month needs to go. We need to make an everyone history month. I don't see a native american history month or a Mexican history month, etc. To me this is racism. Black people are not the only ones who were put into slavery and white people are not the first people to enact slavery in the Americas. Who enslaved the first native Americans do you know? It wasn't a white person. We need to stop preaching about history of slavery of black people and start preaching about slavery as a whole. It didn't just happen to black people. I rest my case.
Freedom Train

Nashville, TN

#13 Sep 26, 2012
So's dey can dink they are worth som'in in society without a whip on dey back!
hopper

United States

#14 Nov 3, 2012
racist====any individual leading or affiliated as a member of any group or organization who's mission is to advance any particular race over another based on skin Color ,heritage or race whether through affirmative action or simply to create unique opportunities for a particular race..:-( now who's racist as if that word even has a place anymore

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