Patrick Michaels: No corn? Let them e...

Patrick Michaels: No corn? Let them eat ethanol

There are 7 comments on the The Wave story from Jul 26, 2012, titled Patrick Michaels: No corn? Let them eat ethanol. In it, The Wave reports that:

Climate change policies much more than the vagaries of climate are now beginning to create the instabilities that cooler heads have been warning about for years.

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Huntsville, AL

#1 Jul 26, 2012
I think drinking would be the method of consuming ethanol. I think that's been done before.

This is what was known prior to our government's decision to produce gasoline from our food source.

Half the corn food crop will go into your gas tank.

Not only will we destroy food, there is no environmental value in turning food to gasoline. In fact, more environmental damage is done by ethanol production that oil production.

You don't have to look far to see bad government in action. Your grocery store shelves, will remind you each time you shop.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#2 Jul 26, 2012
1961, Leigh-on-Sea, Essex, England, my electrician friend takes his usual bottle of hooch to a party.

90% ethanol, 10% a mixture of whiskey, rum, gin, vodka and an unknown fruit juice.
Bottle marked DANGEROUS.
Idea:
Few people can afford booze, so a shot glass of his jungle juice gets the party going.

Result, unknown Scottish guy steals bottle, locks himself in bathroom, drinks contents and dies a short time later.

End result, party breaks up early, can't find another one, so it doesn't go down in history as the best ever.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#3 Jul 26, 2012
It would be more sensible to switch ethanol production to sugar at this time. Surely corn production doesn't need the market and sugar beets don't need the protection (any more).

Import more 'raw sugar' from cane (cheaper than beets) with controls that it only goes to ethanol production. That would make sense.

But the entrenched monopolies and subsidies are a hard thing to change fast enough to adapt to AGW. Or even 'natural' climate change. The problem is the entrenched special interests and the political process, not the technology.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#4 Jul 26, 2012
"Sugar cane is one of the more interesting crops that one can plant. A sugar cane farmer must have a ton of patience; the crop can take as much as 2 years to grow before harvest time. In some places, it is only 6 months, but the average is 1 year. This is a mighty long time to wait for your investment to mature and to see any kind of return on it at all."

Facts that are of no interest to people like Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#5 Jul 27, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
It would be more sensible to switch ethanol production to sugar at this time. Surely corn production doesn't need the market and sugar beets don't need the protection (any more).
Import more 'raw sugar' from cane (cheaper than beets) with controls that it only goes to ethanol production. That would make sense.
But the entrenched monopolies and subsidies are a hard thing to change fast enough to adapt to AGW. Or even 'natural' climate change. The problem is the entrenched special interests and the political process, not the technology.
Or just stop producing ethanol to stick in a gas tank. The amount of fossil fuel needed to turn corn, sugar beets, or sugar cane into ethanol is such that it dosn't change anything.

Meanwhile we can take the ethanol for corn (aka moonshine) and the ethanol from the sugar cane (aka rum) and let you drink your misery away.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#6 Apr 9, 2013
tina anne wrote:
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The amount of fossil fuel needed to turn corn, sugar beets, or sugar cane into ethanol is such that it dosn't change anything.
Actually it does three things.

One is that it reduces the amount of refining that goes into the 'base stock' for gasoline, saving energy.

Two is that it provides a 'price support' for grain producers (80% of which goes to meat production or industrial products like starch and sugars).

Third, is that it replaces toxic MTBE as an octane booster (as well as keeping engines cleaner). An important issue that Exxon just lost their bet on..

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litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#7 Apr 9, 2013
The ethanol industry says that 10% ethanol blends only lose 3% mpg than 100% pure gasoline. First, why do they think they deserve that?

Second, 10% ethanol blends take lots more than 3%. Thousands of people, unhappy with ethanol, report 10% or more losses with ethanol. Personally, our 3 cars indicate a mpg loss of 5%, 7% & 8+% in losses. You see, ethanol needs higher compression engines to get its best efficiency, nearly the compression of diesel engines. That is why ethanol engines of Indy cars have higher compression ratios than gasoline engines used in NASCAR.

Third, engines using 100% pure gasoline run smoother, quieter & with a trace extra low rpm torque, such that less downshifting is necessary when ascending hills, compared to 10% ethanol blends.

Yes, let the ethanol industry, designed to force ethanol into gasoline engines, dry up. Less fossil fuel will be used in the ethanol production to produce ethanol. Very little extra gasoline, if possibly none at all, will be used to run your gasoline engine.

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